MORE DRUG DEATHS - Event Date: 13 Jan 2019

JudgeHolden wrote: Well if your saying alcohol is far worse than cannabis for violenc or antisocaial behaviour, you’ll get no argument from me there. About the only thing in danger around a cannabis user is a pizza. This comes back to my point yesterday- consistency. Oneone do you think alcohol and gambling should be criminalised?

Will come back on tonight Judge

Shrunk in the Wash wrote: JudgeHolden wrote: Shrunk in the Wash wrote: JudgeHolden wrote: Discourage the arrempt at fun? Well, good luck with that. Well as both one one and myself have attested laws and rules do work in discouraging dangerous activities. Do you drive drunk, without your seat belt or fly up the road @ 200km/hr? Rules work quite well at times Poor analogy. You’re taking behaviour that’s completely reckless and obviously endangers other people. Hard to take you seriously when you resort to this. No judge. I see you being selective with your cherrypicking. Hard to take that seriously as well

You’d seriously equate someone smoking a joint on their couch to someone hurtling a tonne of metal at racetrack speeds around suburban streets blotto. It gets dumber still...

Whale wrote: Shrunk in the Wash wrote: JudgeHolden wrote: And one issue that hasn’t been brought up- the amount of police and court time tied up in a futile battle (I’d actually say lost, but people refuse to admit it). There were over a million cannabis users in Australia last year. Do we really going after these people is a worthwhile allocation of resources? No we don’t, the horse has bolted on the cannabis front. It’s here to stay and massive numbers of kids are using it, sadly You’re point re the policing costs is good but what about the other costs of having it in society. The ongoing health costs, mental welfare and social costs Just like alcohol and cigarettes there is a cost associated with the negative side as well. still waiting for your flight to Coolangatta ?

Not sure as to your motivation of that question. Perhaps you could explain

But the answer is no, thankfully I’m here now

Shrunk in the Wash wrote: JudgeHolden wrote: Shrunk in the Wash wrote: JudgeHolden wrote: Discourage the arrempt at fun? Well, good luck with that. Well as both one one and myself have attested laws and rules do work in discouraging dangerous activities. Do you drive drunk, without your seat belt or fly up the road @ 200km/hr? Rules work quite well at times Poor analogy. You’re taking behaviour that’s completely reckless and obviously endangers other people. Hard to take you seriously when you resort to this. They are examples of where rules have modified behaviour. The rules (laws) work

And current rules on drugs clearly haven’t worked. The “war on drugs” has been comprehensively lost. It was never a fair fight, tbh. Fifty years later drugs are more freely available than ever. Time for a different approach.

JudgeHolden wrote: [QUOTE=Shrunk in the Wash] [QUOTE=JudgeHolden] And current rules on drugs clearly haven’t worked. The “war on drugs” has been comprehensively lost. It was never a fair fight, tbh. Fifty years later drugs are more freely available than ever. Time for a different approach.

The rules have been weak. They have often targeted the wrong people and more often than not even enforced.

You know I’m right, hence that response. Are you going to tell me the laws have targeted the right people.


I’m sure it was you who said that very thing earlier

Everyone does

Alcohol and drugs don’t cause domestic violence, idiots (male and female) who like being violent cause DV, and I’d say their stupidity makes them predisposed to substance abuse. It takes more than one to tango, and I’m not victim blaming BUT even one episode should see them leaving, how they hang around for more I’ll never know. I suppose people have different expectations for what is acceptable. In my view it is a mostly socio-economic issue, a little bit like religion and poverty together turn out zealots, so does a combination of poverty and poor upbringing often result in thugs.

How can a post that is 100% incorrect be a great post ?

Define normal ?

djebel wrote: Define normal ?

Not predisposed to unwarranted violence and without mental illness

acacia alba wrote: linghi11 wrote: Alcohol and drugs don’t cause domestic violence, idiots (male and female) who like being violent cause DV, and I’d say their stupidity makes them predisposed to substance abuse. It takes more than one to tango, and I’m not victim blaming BUT even one episode should see them leaving, how they hang around for more I’ll never know. I suppose people have different expectations for what is acceptable. In my view it is a mostly socio-economic issue, a little bit like religion and poverty together turn out zealots, so does a combination of poverty and poor upbringing often result in thugs.   Just being poor doesnt make a person violent tho.  Look at some of the high end of town husbands who bash their wives.   Even super rich movie stars do it.  But being poor and adding a substance ( alcohol or drugs ) is often a bad mix.

Absolutely, no it doesn’t, but it often doesn’t help. Our society is having some serious issues around mental disorders and poor role models growing up, what is acceptable and what is not. Having a society of teetotallers will not fix these issues. Fast forward a few years when there are fewer jobs than ever for the unskilled sector, and I’m not sure how tight laws are going to help anyone.

linghi11 wrote: djebel wrote: Define normal ? Not predisposed to unwarranted violence and without mental illness

BOREDOM

Tlazolteotl wrote: "Across the whole population, younger Australians (under 35 years of age) have lower rates of drug induced death when compared to 1999, while older Australians (45 and over) generally have higher rates." http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/3303.0~2016~Main%20Features~Drug%20Induced%20Deaths%20in%20Australia~6 Oh, no- take those facts away, Tiaz. They are hurting my brain

As I said earlier on, prescription medication leads the way in drug deaths. I personally know two people who died due to prescription painkiller medication and zero people who have died from illicit drugs.