MORE DRUG DEATHS - Event Date: 13 Jan 2019

JudgeHolden wrote: Shrunk in the Wash wrote: JudgeHolden wrote: So we should ban gambling, drugs and alcohol? All of these have at times devastating impacts on society they are somewhat mitigated by the revenue they bring in (to fund things like thehorse racing industry, for example). And safety- during prohibition people were drinking wood alcohols and all sorts of nasty stuff they had no idea were it came from, often with devastating consequences. Or making it themselves. Making gambling illegal would simply drive it underground into the hands of organised crime (loan sharks, vigs, “collection” gentlemen etc), and deprive the government of revenue it will have to collect by other means. People are going to take drugs anyway- may as well make it safer and make a buck out of it by regulating it. Using that line we should legalise everything. Throw out the rule book Not at all. You can apply the rule book much better if you have control. You support horse racing so presumably you support gambling. Your position is entirely hypocritical.

Umm, you’re wrong on both counts

he likes boxing

linghi11 wrote: maccamax wrote: acacia alba wrote:            Kids take pills because the alcohol costs ruined by excessive taxes make a day or night out drinking unaffordable. Now Linghi, kids can afford booze. You only have to look at the young ones getting into it at the races any Sat arvo.  And the cost of grog at the track is about double what you pay for the same thing in a local club.  Or see them spilling out of pubs smashed off their faces at closing time, fighting and falling about. Yep AA...   linghi is like most comments , No idea of the subject. I can buy you all the wine you can drink for $5 a bottle ( or less ) It is much cheaper than water. ( Lindeman's Bin 95 Savignor advertised at liquirland today for $5 ) Many load up at home and are well pizzed before the outing starts. Town kids won’t touch cask wine- a night of vodka sodas, sugary premixes or cocktails is $10-23 a pop will be in the $100-250 range, couple of pills will set them back $50 or so and last 6h+. It was half the reason for cover charge and $5 water in the Cross. People took pills and didn’t spend any money in the club. If you two think you know anything about the party scene or the kids more so than myself, when was the last time you went clubbing? Swinging 60’s?

        I have to - great, great, Grandkids laid on Linghi.

( 5 generations )living and the mix represents, what one would expect.
Good/bad choices, a lot of compassion & help where needed , but some are hell bent on self destruct , others thrive on opportunity and good advice.
You learn over time = YOU CAN'T CHANGE A LETTUCE INTO A CABBAGE.
A dead set "druggie" doesn't only destroy themselves , They take whole families down with them .        .AND With so many of our young choosing that path , Society suffers big time .
The percentage who are unemployable , with a young , drug/alcohol infested mind is growing faster than is sustainable.
Humans only respond to stiff discipline & ENFORCED Laws. Read how Lee Kuan Yew straightened out Singapore.     
He warned Bob Hawke where we were heading = How right he was.

Macca I’m afraid the drugs aren’t the root cause of all the trouble, but rather the symptom of a failing society. We have people with no hope for the future breeding year in year out, there will never be jobs for those kids, they’ll never have a purpose. We’ve forgotten how to discipline and set healthy boundaries for children.

linghi11 wrote: Macca I’m afraid the drugs aren’t the root cause of all the trouble, but rather the symptom of a failing society. We have people with no hope for the future breeding year in year out, there will never be jobs for those kids, they’ll never have a purpose. We’ve forgotten how to discipline and set healthy boundaries for children.

I would love to know the circumstances around the family life of young girl who died on the weekend.

If I was her father I Also would l8ke to know where she got the dodgy pills from as well

JudgeHolden wrote: Shrunk in the Wash wrote: JudgeHolden wrote: So you don’t condone gambling? No, gambling as with grog and smokes, in the large part, are a bite on the arse of society. Do you agree? So you’d support making gambling illegal? Wow, that’s a bold statement on a horse racing forum.

No,it’s too institutionalised to do so
Now answer my question. “gambling as with grog and smokes, in the large part, are a bite on the arse of society.
Do you agree?

   The famous word MODERATION has been asleep. Get REALISTIC.

A day at the races / Club , Pokies whatever, is no different to any other entertainment costs.

We are closing our tourist attractions / Industries, in the Cross by way of lock out laws, to cater for substance abusers who should be OFF THE ROADS & OFF THE STREETS.

A LAW isn't worth a monkey's bum if it's not enforced.

I note you didn’t answer my question

JudgeHolden wrote: Shrunk in the Wash wrote: JudgeHolden wrote: Shrunk in the Wash wrote: JudgeHolden wrote: So you don’t condone gambling? No, gambling as with grog and smokes, in the large part, are a bite on the arse of society. Do you agree? So you’d support making gambling illegal? Wow, that’s a bold statement on a horse racing forum. No,it’s too institutionalised to do so Now answer my question. “gambling as with grog and smokes, in the large part, are a bite on the arse of society. Do you agree? Too institutionalised You’re not paying attention. People are going to drink, gamble and take drugs legal or not. ATM with drugs were just playing into the hands of criminals.

It sounds like we have a hypocrit on our hands Judge!


We should not be telling people what they can and can’t put in their own bodies. The government does not own my body. While I have no interest at all in taking any type of currently illegal drug, I should be allowed to if I choose.

They should all be legal but heavily regulated and taxed like other vices are. Tax revenue can be used to treat the adverse effects just as they are for gambling addictions, smokers etc. Any antisocial behaviour as a result should of course be punished serverly just like it is in any other situation.

JudgeHolden wrote: It’s a very complex question. Most people can drink, gamble and even take drugs in a non self destructive fashion. Many others can’t, so these things need regulation, not criminalisation which imo simply makes things worse. It’s a question of minimising the harm, you’ll never eradicate it.

Of course you’ll never eradicate it. However, I believe that legalising it will legitimise it and lead to greater use. Just as alcohol is socially acceptable

I know from my experience that I was too scared to try any drugs, in the main, due to the fact they were illegal and bad for you. There was a deterrent factor involved. There was not with alcohol

Shrunk in the Wash wrote: Anyways, I’m off to the airport. Coolangatta, here I come

I was in a jewellery shop where a mother was letting her 2-3yo toddler climb into a glass, jewellery filled cabinet. When the store manager politely said no, you can’t do that - the mother turned around and screeched that they don’t use word no at home. That, AA, is how you raise entitled little idiots who will think it’s their god given right to do stupid things.

oneonesit wrote: Bit like the reality show on the ABC about morbidly obese people. The real problem is not what their stuffing in their gobs every 5 minutes - its the underlying issues that's causing them to do that. The problem is these underlying issues seem to be a bit hard to diagnose - & even harder to fix if they ever are. Which brings you back to people continuing to shuv food down their throats - because hey - its the underlying issues causing it !

Passing Through wrote: Shrunk in the Wash wrote: Anyways, I’m off to the airport. Coolangatta, here I come Watch out for illegal Indonesians flooding out of Brisbane.

Bloody plane delayed.1.5hrs. Bloody overload with Indo's