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MORE DRUG DEATHS - Event Date: 13 Jan 2019 |
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Shrunk in the Wash
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So that should then extend to every other rule in society that is aimed at protecting people from themselves? Or do you just draw the line at drugs? Are you a user by any chance? |
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acacia alba
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That goes back to the other thread where suicide is discussed.. Families cant forcibly make members go get help, and then they take their own life, and as one person here , who had a family member suicide said, at least they died with their rights intact. Doesnt help those left behind tho, does it . Same for these who swallow whatever is offered to them. its their choice and they are old enough, and have enough information out there about it, to make their own choice and heaven forbid we should take their rights to OD away from them. These people are old enough, and cluey enough, to know the risks. If they choose to risk it, too bad. I just feel for the family left behind.
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animals before people.
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ExceedAndExcel
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Poor attempt at insult/deflection. If you bothered to read my previous posts you would have seen me say I have no interest in using drugs myself. So no I’m not. Yes, many rules restricting freedoms in the name of protecting people from themselves should be scrapped. |
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linghi11
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Why does everyone need to be protected by the government from themselves? This is some kind of monstrous insanity - stop people having fun to protect them? No thanks. Plenty of people can enjoy a drink, a bet, and a line without it turning into some kind of life long disaster. Their right to do these things responsibly outweighs saving every idiot who decides to total themselves.
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acacia alba
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Yes,,,,,,if people want to wipe themselves out, let them go. Why always hold others responsible and want the Govnt to "do something " ?? Its no ones fault but their own . If I go out and get pissed and then get into bother, who can I blame ?? Lets see. The bar tender ? For serving me. My friends ? For not stopping me . My OH ? For not carrying home a drunk. The list is endless. If people choose to do drugs, pop pills with unknown stuff in them, let them go. They know the risks. If they dont know the risks by now they must be living under a rock in a deep dark cave. |
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animals before people.
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JudgeHolden
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Discourage the arrempt at fun? Well, good luck with that. |
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I think you can equate this issue with Trumps wall. The current laws prevent many kids going down that path in the first place. A wall would do the same - enough of a deterrent to stop many from trying.
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JudgeHolden
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What someone decides to put into their own bodies and violent crime aren’t exactly the same thing.
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The problem is, a great deal of the harm from drug use is because it’s illegal.
https://theconversation.com/australias-recreational-drug-policies-arent-working-so-what-are-the-options-for-reform-55493 |
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Shrunk in the Wash
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Well as both one one and myself have attested laws and rules do work in discouraging dangerous activities. Do you drive drunk, without your seat belt or fly up the road @ 200km/hr? Rules work quite well at times |
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And one issue that hasn’t been brought up- the amount of police and court time tied up in a futile battle (I’d actually say lost, but people refuse to admit it). There were over a million cannabis users in Australia last year. Do we really going after these people is a worthwhile allocation of resources?
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No, you made the direct link between kids doing drugs for fun and kids committing violent crime for fun. Silly post. |
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Poor analogy. You’re taking behaviour that’s completely reckless and obviously endangers other people. Hard to take you seriously when you resort to this. |
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No. Drink driving plus speeding DIRECTLY endangers other people. What you ingest into your bodies doesn’t. Not hard to understand.
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No we don’t, the horse has bolted on the cannabis front. It’s here to stay and massive numbers of kids are using it, sadly You’re point re the policing costs is good but what about the other costs of having it in society. The ongoing health costs, mental welfare and social costs Just like alcohol and cigarettes there is a cost associated with the negative side as well. |
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Shrunk in the Wash
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No judge. I see you being selective with your cherrypicking. Hard to take that seriously as well |
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Whale
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still waiting for your flight to Coolangatta ?
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Anyhow I'm off to work. You stay where you are Whale (beanbag + ipad) - ill be back on tonight
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JudgeHolden
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Well if your saying alcohol is far worse than cannabis for violenc or antisocaial behaviour, you’ll get no argument from me there. About the only thing in danger around a cannabis user is a pizza.
This comes back to my point yesterday- consistency. Oneone do you think alcohol and gambling should be criminalised? |
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Oh - & turn your second hand evaporative cooler on - its going to be hot. (you have paid the electricity bill i hope ?)
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when someone equates pleasure from drug taking to some thugs having fun stealing women's handbags, you just can't reason with illogical people
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