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Dr E
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Sorry to disappoint you rusty, but this is not within the scope of my expertise. That's why I asked Whale ... now, shhhhhhhh! ... pay attention, and learn!
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Whale
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source for what clown, are you saying all is well with the Opal Towers, hundreds of buildings that need cladding replaced and many other buildings with defects your deflection is really sad, keeps Rusty's mates amused though
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Dr E
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Come on Whale, don't deflect, you know how important it is to quote your sources ... some people will think you are making it up!
Not me - I know you don't have the imagination to make anything up. Now hurry up, I'm keen to learn, and we don't want rusty confusing himself further, by cutting and pasting something even LESS relevant.
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Redemption
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Why hasnt the Australian Government declared Opal Tower as an Emergency, and simply paid all the residents?
The State Government approved the building in the first place. The highest people liable for this, isnt even the developer/builder, its the State Government and Australian Government. They are the ones that "tick" approvals. The Australian Government has to refund every single resident the purchase price of their apartment. By not holding the Australian Government as liable, they can keep performing lack of due diligence on any building project, thus, keep Australian standards low, not high. |
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Tlazolteotl
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Engineers all say Opal is structurally sound.
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Redemption
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LOL. They were evacuated for "fun".
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Tlazolteotl
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You sound like a Nat, Redemption. Classic Country Party. Deregulate as much as you can to maximize profits but if something goes wrong send the bill for o the taxpayer. Privatise the profits - socialise the losses.
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Dr E
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A big fat "nothingburger" ... another example that confirms that the processes, the checks and balances that are in place, are world class and working.
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Whale
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Doc go away. This place is running smoothly, we don't need your ridiculous fabrications
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Tlazolteotl
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Towers are not inherently unsafe. Indeed, until recently, the skyscraper
had a stand-out safety record sustained by an evolved system of
fireproof materials, sprinklers, compartments, escape routes and
evacuation procedures, required and policed. Now, it’s like some evil
planet-loathing genius awoke a couple of decades back and thought, “Hmm,
how can I undermine high-density living and exacerbate climate change?" “What if,” this monster schemed, “we pretend to deregulate in the interests of housing supply and just let rip for a few years? We’ll let any cowboy build anything with whatever shoddy or poisonous materials they can slip under the radar. This will hollow out their trusted building system from within, so everything still seems kosher – certificates signed, boxes ticked – but nothing’s legit. “People will be so eager”– monster rubs hands in glee - “they’ll buy sight unseen. Then, when the cracks appear and the fires begin, when the deaths and evacuations start, this entire generation of apartments will be worthless. No one will build tall again for a century. What September 11 couldn’t achieve, we will. Hehehe.” Of course, incompetence is always more probable than collusion. But here, incompetence is enabled by ideology. Successive governments loosened every bolt in our trusted system – replacing rules with discretion, councils with administrators, public certifiers with private, particular materials with performance standards and import controls with a tired old piece of grandma’s knicker elastic. Combine this with our usual fly-by-night developers, industry corruption, developer donations and lunchable politicians. What did they think would happen? Everyone would just play nice? Elizabeth FarrellyFull article here https://www.smh.com.au/national/only-a-matter-of-time-until-high-rise-disaster-strikes-again-in-sydney-20190207-p50wbn.html |
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Dr E
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I find it amusing that people would think that lazy bureaucrats would do a better job ...
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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rusty nails
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I find it amusing that there is no end of topics that you comment on,that you have no understanding of the issue.
When the builder/developer gets to choose who will oversee the project,everyone knows that if the oversight is considered onerous by the developer,next time they will appoint someone else. Government employees have no such conflicts of interest. Here’s an analogy you might understand, when a particular Bank puts onerous approval conditions on their approval for a deal you submit, next time you’ll shop it to a different Bank. Capiche? |
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Whale
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Dr E wrote: Not that I don't trust you when you go off on one of your irrelevant rant Whale, but ... source ? That is his response when I mentioned problems with high rises, cos the references in the news don't appear every second day, Doc doesn't know where to find them
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Dr E
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So where are all of the bodies of people killed in building collapses?
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Dr E
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Whale. you know you are supposed to provide a sauce when you cut and paste, and we all know when you have cut and pasted, as opposed to using your own words, because, ummm, spelling, grammar ... !
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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rusty nails
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Oh, so this little episode at Homebush is a demonstration of best practice?
Or it doesn’t matter till there’s a body count? |
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Dr E
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Evidence of the system working!
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Whale
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Did you really say that, what a clown. Just go away Doc, nobody likes you. Anyway you should be looking for another profession rather than spending your time here
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rusty nails
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The system is working? Cos it hasn’t actually fallen over yet? |
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Dr E
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Safe according to the engineers ... wouldn't be moving back in personally, but certainly not falling over ...
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Whale
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so the system is working fine, not for you though
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Dr E
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I don't like the green facade - my old granny always said green was unlucky!
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Dr E
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State governments urged to set up own building watchdogs to combat CFMEUThe construction industry is urging state Liberal governments to set up their own building watchdogs to rein in the militant Construction, Forestry, Maritime, Mining and Energy Union if Bill Shorten is elected prime minister. Master Builders Association branches in NSW, South Australia and Tasmania have approached senior state politicians to set up specific state building agencies to act as "a deterrent against unlawful industrial conduct and coercive behaviour". The Australian Building and Construction Commission currently polices the building sector and workers and unions in the industry face higher penalties for engaging in unlawful industrial conduct. However, Mr Shorten has promised to abolish the watchdog if elected, and to remove the building code which bars union conditions that restrict managerial prerogative for contractors on federally funded projects. MBA NSW executive director Brian Seidler said "out of control" unions was the number one concern for the commercial building sector. "We're getting strong evidence that people are now considering, in anticipation of Mr Shorten's public announcements to get rid of the ABCC, that there will be no regulating of union behaviour on construction sites," he said. "That is being reflected in the risk of projects – there will be more premium to pay for it and the price will go up." He said "those tendering for projects this year are already putting in a margin for dislocation resulting from the potential removal of the ABCC". Mr Seidler did not specify the margin but noted that builders during the 1980s and 1990s had factored in margins of up to 30 per cent from disruption of militant building unions. The courts have fined the CFMEU and its officials more than $16 million since 2005 for unlawful strikes, coercion and right of entry breaches. https://www.afr.com/news/policy/industrial-relations/state-governments-urged-to-set-up-own-building-watchdogs-to-combat-cfmeu-20190208-h1b1gl?fbclid=IwAR3k0z9xj-3Ty-tuGKN_kRhnWVGUu9c_YnSo0ChC4HcPfEcZ3hg3a3Zrtdg |
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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TIGER
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When building houses/units I'd never trust building work from a Chinese or Lebo builder
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Tlazolteotl
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And whatever you do in your expensive high-rise, do not lean on the glass balustrade. The barrier between you and disaster is staggeringly unregulatedElizabeth Farrelly https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/the-barrier-between-you-and-disaster-is-staggeringly-unregulated-20190530-p51su8.html?ref=rss ... "Imagine a kid, say 5-years-old, holidaying at the Sunshine Coast,
visiting friends in a high-rise, or just living in one of the tens of
thousands of new residential towers across Australia’s cityscape. The
kid runs onto the balcony chasing a ball, sibling or puppy, trips and
falls against the balustrade. The frameless glass panel pulls away from
its corroded stainless-steel pins, shears entirely from the wall or
shatters into a zillion bits. Child falls into space. End of story. This hasn’t happened in Australia, yet - although it’s been close. We’ve had spontaneously “exploding” glass balustrades in Melbourne and at least one installer struck off
in Queensland for balconies that could endanger life. Last year,
although in a small sample, a Queensland Building and Construction
Commission audit that found 100 per cent of glass balustrades tested were unsafe. We could wait for disaster, then act. That’s an option. Or, as the Australian Balustrade Association advocates, we could replace the current regulatory miasma with clear standards for materials and installation and clear systems for certification and accountability so that the child-fall moment never becomes reality. It’s not only glass, although glass is the focus. Glass is both the developer’s balustrade material of choice, and staggeringly unregulated. Let me come clean. I don’t much like balustrades, and partly because of regulation. Ever since, decades ago, the building codes banned anything climbable, horizontal elements or spaces wide enough for a child’s head, balustrades have been a nightmare of enforced ugly. And although these rules help tip the building world towards balustrades of miraculous glass, they’re actually worse, being cowardly, greedy and inept, as well as tacky. Cowardly because they’re tasked to delineate space but don’t have the chutzpah to do it with clarity. Greedy because this cowardice derives from a desire to grab all view possible and then some, as though more is inherently better. And inept because that is manifestly untrue. More is very often worse – a lot worse – than less. Sure, humans like view, but they also need
containment; refuge, as well as prospect - especially when projected by a
glass box into hundred-knot-wind territory half-a-furlong above terra
firma. The same laissez-faire approach to planning that has made us a tower-dwelling nation has also deregulated imports, globalised the supply chain, privatised certification and established the “performance” route to code compliance. Dr Darryl O’Brien, from Central Queensland University, argues that these disruptions have generated a dramatic “information asymmetry” between manufacturers and consumers. They know everything (but carry virtually no responsibility): we know nothing yet carry the lot. This, in turn, has allowed the proliferation of NCBPs, or non-complying building products. This traps the parent (say) of that running kid in the worst possible position, combining abject trust with total moral and financial responsibility. For it’s the owners who will have to rectify, when non-compliance comes to light. But even the word “compliance” is an overstatement, since there’s nothing much to comply with. There is no overall balustrade standard. Australian Standard 1288, Glass in Buildings, offers a small section (s.7) on balustrades but doesn’t require non-shattering or laminated glass, mandate labelling or require regular checks (as with pool fences) and is silent on most current balustrade types (like frameless glass or that held by spigots). This is where performance testing should kick in. Look around. Most new buildings have frameless glass balustrades, which require full engineer-analysis and sign-off. But few in the industry – according to a recent national industry survey – believe this is happening. And even if it is, says the ABA, Australia has no structural or wind-load testing methodology and, as we know, the title “engineer” is unregulated almost everywhere. The same survey offered scary anecdotal evidence from fabricators, suppliers, designers and certifiers of inferior materials, sloppy installation and questionable certification practices. Absent case law, no one even knows where the liability lies." ... |
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[QUOTE=Dr E]Not that I don't trust you when you go off on one of your irrelevant rant Whale, but ... source?
Quick, before rusty tells us it doesn't matter if your asset loses $45k in value for no good reason! The certification is working well, nothing to see here Tenants 'homeless' after NSW tower cracks |
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Dr E
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Crap Chinese developers building crap properties using crap Chinese steal and selling mostly to Chinese buyers ... I doubt that this will be the last one in that area around the airport.
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Isaac will be disappointed you beat him to that Doc.
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Tlazolteotl
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It's funny how the people who like to call themselves conservative are basically anarchists where regulation of business and protection of the environment are concerned- weak rules good: no rules better: red tape green tape any tape bad.
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