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Speediskey
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Clearly he doesn't or he wouldn't have won - however like all horses in general he has a pattern he likes most.
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djebel
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Hopefully, like all true topliners The Autumn Sun and Arcadia Queen do not have set in stone racing patterns. |
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reductio ad absurdum
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Speediskey
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I’m not claiming that he beat worse horses, but he went against his pattern, 3 wide without cover on the pace and won effortlessly, I just can’t see what else he physically could have done, the jockey only let him go at the top of the straight. |
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JudgeHolden
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Agree with Bonfield. The horses TAS beat in the CG were in turn well beaten (though not as far) in the Carbine and Sandown Guineas. He’s no doubt the best colt in the land but that performance by AQ clearly superior, imo.
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Bonfield
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No knock TAS, just feel AQ has done more.
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Bonfield
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The thing is TAS beat $101 pop Vassilator. AQ beat multiple WFA winner Material Man and last start G1 winner Galaxy Star.
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Speediskey
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I think her and the Autumn Sun are very close - you have to remember he sat 3 wide at Caulfield and won effortlessly by the same margin - I would still say TAS is a better horse, but a match race will be close.
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kavg
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May not be the 2nd best performance of the season so far (winx in Colgate optic white was pretty good!) but pretty close and definitely best 3yo performance of the year including The Autumn Sun. Hopefully she develops over the summer/autumn and further into her 4yo career as she could possibly be the best to come from WA for quite a few years.
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Afros
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Certainly backs up Bonfields assessment. You could draw a link of some sort back to Winx through Trap For Fools via Blair House and then Benbatl but I'll leave that to people smarter than I to quantify that.
It was an impressive win and she did beat some good horses, hopefully she goes to Sydney in the autumn for the Storm Queen and Oaks oe perhaps even the Queen Elizabeth/Doncaster. |
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Jamal
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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Lord Hybrow
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She looked very good yesterday & love to see her head east in the Autumn.
But what I find disappointing is that better eastern state horses don’t participate in this rich $1.0m WFA event. G3 caliber horses like Iconoclasm, Mr Sea Wolf & Holy Snow are never going to cut the mustard in a race like this. Just off the top of my head, wouldn’t horses such as the following be well placed in a G1 WFA race over 1800m - Best of Days, Hartnell, D’Argento? |
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furious
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She beat the Mackinnon winner by six and a half lengths. Really he was the only horse with good form in the East to measure her against. But last start he beat an Irish Derby and VRC Derby winner so perhaps this is a sign of a very good filly.
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Second Chance
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Keen eyes will have noted that I backed the trifecta. Keener eyes will note that I lost money in doing so.
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Grey Affair
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Arcadia Queen won the race by four and a half lengths. It's not as though she just fell in. By my ratings, it was the best performance by a three year old filly all season. |
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Jamal
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I underrate Perth racing because the proof is in the pudding....Perth racing is lengths below Sydney and Melbourne racing. The quality is in the eastern states - that is fact. Many MANY horses from WA have gone and raced in the east and failed and why...because they are not good enough...it is as simple as that. However history shows every now and then that WA will produce a good horse who does well in the eastern states. Going by your logic in terms of rating Material Man and Galaxy Star - they would beat Humidor who is probably the second best WFA horse behind Winx. What about Benbatl..do those two horses beat Benbatl as well? There is a reason why I dont rate WA racing....its there for all to see. That doesn't mean I hate EA racing...I'm a Perth boy...but the cream of the crop lies in Sydney and Melbourne (no particular order). As always with the good WA horses who did well in the east - they had to improve and lift several levels and the Kingston Town winner will have to improve again if she runs in the eastern states, that bein said..she deserves a chance to compete at the highlest level in Aussie racing - the eastern states. |
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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Bonfield
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Jamal I think you consistently underrate Perth horses. You seem to think they have to prove themselves in the east for some reason. Material Man and Galaxy Star are as good as most WFA winners in the east.
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Jamal
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Material Man and Galaxy Star - genuine WFA horses? How would they go in the east? |
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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Bonfield
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That was a an enormous win! Material Man and Galaxy Star are genuine WFA horses and she made them look 3rd rate. I think she might be the 2nd best horse in Australia, behind Winx of course.
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Jamal
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Nice win but I'm not getting too excited yet. Will need to improve if she runs in the east. That's wgere the quality is. Harsh I know but its true.
That bein said, she win nicely today ans I hope she runs in the eastern states. |
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Afros
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Hopefully she comes over for the Storm Queen and Oaks than possibly the Queen Elizabeth.
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furious
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Queen Elizabeth to take on WInx.
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furious
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That was a nice win. Pierro seems to like Redoute's Choice mares and they can get out over a distance. Wonder if we can get her to come to Sydney.
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Second Chance
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In the Tri that is.
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Have taken 2,4,8,12,14 and 15 all ways for 25% as an interest without expecting a result.
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Afros
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Surprised Material Man isn't getting any love here, I thought his run in the Railway under topweight looked a good trial for this race.
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Shrunk in the Wash
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I’ve been on Arcadia Queen every start of her life, due to her breeding but at $2.50 I’m prepared to take my wins and leave her in this
Perfect Jewel @ $17 at the moment but will the tote be better in the day? |
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Bonfield
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I see this as a match race between the Bob Peter's horses Arcadia Queen and Galaxy Star. Their record is phenomenal. Neither have missed a place in their careers. AQ has 80% win SR and GS 77% win SR. Incredible!
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Bonfield
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Galaxy Star gets back anyway. The barrier may not be a problem. Will probably sit one out at the tail.
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VOYAGER
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I thought Perfect Jewel ran a cracker for us in the Railway, and the extra 200m is ideal.
Can't have Galaxy Star from that gate, although the Pikemeister is in great form. Gatting is extremely underrated! |
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