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Be interesting if they can get any overseas raiders.
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VOYAGER
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Okay first off everyone knows my thoughts on the wfa scale so I will not bore us with that.
But I actually think this is a good race idea. The placement for me is ideal, 3 weeks before the Doncaster and lead ins through the Orr and Futurity. The reason I like it is because the ATC have let the chance slip. They dropped the All Aged back from the 1600m to 1400m, and the only wfa mile race they have late in the carnival is the Queen Of The Turf for the females. Obviously they wanted Doncaster horses to go onto the Queen Elizabeth. If you abandon a good group of horses then some other club will fill the void and the Victorians have done that. The only problem I have is what has been stated earlier, we could get a Badger's Wood type situation, where we could get a non-stakes horse in there. |
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djebel
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This race highlights the stupidity of our racing.
Everything is crammed into too short a period. It is ALL rushed. It is crap. |
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reductio ad absurdum
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jimbob04
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should be good
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Tontonan
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The people will decide the field - what a lot of bulldust.
They are creating the gold logie of Australian racing. I reckon Home and Away will win. But the twitter crowd will love it. They will feel they are engaged and part of the action. They might even take a photo of themselves to celebrate. All that will happen is that the Doncaster and Ryder Stakes will be diluted. Maybe even the Australian Cup as well. They will have thrown up another option for horses to avoid racing each other. This is the stupidity of the pattern system. It continues to grow fat at the top where it should be pointy. We don't need more Group 1 races, we need less. We need to engineer a racing calender that channels the best horses into fewer races, compelling them to contest races against the best. It is a large part of why AUstralian racing is so pissweak. It is designed to be pissweak. |
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Jamal
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Very well said. Far too many G1s. Races like the Memsie and Makybe Diva should not be G1 races for example. |
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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Brudder_A
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What's more this event is for the Shieks, Oligarchs, Multi-horse owners who can another limelight for their involvement in the industry. Rather than spend $5 million on grassroots Clubs around the state anudder propped up gradeless race with now public input is sleazeing its way into wannabee appreciations. Dunkeld on the weekend had 10,000 for their meet. But the lines to buy food and drink and not enuff dunnies made folks wonder WTF and "Why do I have to put up with this krep?" Racing Victoria's reckons you should just suck it up and then give a standing ovation for those megastars who race for multi-million purses. Thanks4Coming.
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Shawy38
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Dunkeld doesn’t even have on course electricity!!!
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djebel
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This is the stupidity of Australia's non pattern system. There is no pattern to top class racing in Australia. |
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djebel
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Otherwise I agree. |
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pnclick
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Group Ones should be the Pinnacle of a prep, not lead up races. You want the best racing the best...
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Carioca
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To a point I agree but you must remember although the horses may start their preps about the same time they don't always peak together for reasons you would best know. |
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Tlazolteotl
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The proliferation of G1s works for the studs and I assume that's why the system was created. You hear commentary all the time- if colt x wins a G1 his value will double and if it wins one of the prestige G1s (and that's not a tautology) much more than that. Seems to me a remarkably simple minded way of assessing a horse's worth but that's the way it works, apparently. If I was looking to purchase an untried sire's service I would drill down into his performances, not just read the labels on them, to see how much I thought they added to the value of the service. A G2 win can be a higher quality performance than a G1 win.
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VOYAGER
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Okay lets see if next years race will be for the sheiks and big horse owners. Top 15 milers right now. 1. Hartnell 2. Le Romain 3. Winx 4. Shillelagh 5. Land Of Plenty 6. D'Argento 7. Unforgotten 8. Best Of Days 9. Cliff's Edge 10.Grunt 11.The Autumn Sun 12.Oohood 13.Amphitrite 14.Railway Stakes winner So it is not so much a sheiks and rich mans race, but a Weir & Waller race. Just call it the Darren & Chris All Stars Mile and be done with it. The others on the shortlist for people to vote for would probably include Seige Of Quebec, Peaceful State, Ringerdingding, Fundamentalist. I totally agree that grassroots are being ignored, and also absolutely agree that group 1's should be at the end of carnivals, but that ship has sailed with the Memsie, Orr, and Makybe Divaas well as the Winx Stakes already crossing that line. It is also a reason why The Everest should be made a group 1, because it is the culmination of the Sydney spring sprinters races. Having said all this I see no reason why this race should not succeed. The only races it will dilute is the early races in Sydney such as the Apollo and the Chipping Norton. Horses being aimed at the Australian cup have been mostloy stayers in the last decade so they would not be running at a mile anyway, and the George Ryder is usually for sprinters looking to stretch out to 1500m. |
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Tlazolteotl
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"Australian racing’s newest star – The Autumn Sun – appears unlikely to run in the $5m All-Star Mile. It means there is a high probability that neither Winx nor The Autumn Sun, currently the $1.80 favourite and $7 second favourite with Sportsbet for the All-Star Mile, will be seen in the new 1600m race at Flemington in March." Ben Dorries, Racenet https://www.racenet.com.au/news/will-the-autumn-sun-rise-for-all-star-mile-20181120 I guess Grunt is the third favourite. Accompanied by the usual suspects, Humidor and 5 more Weir runners. |
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Baguette
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The Autumn Sun and Winx won't start in it.
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Tim Whiffler
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Bart, TJ & Sugar Lips would be turning in their graves hearing that horses are bypassing a $5m race. This is the result of the Hunter Valley running Australian racing. They don’t need the money. Maybe RV should just tip the money into BM58’s, there’s enough trainers out there eating paint of the walls. At least they would appreciate it more than Messara & co.
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Speediskey
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Well I for one hope Winx continues to race in NSW so I can say goodbye to her on Golden Slipper day. She has been the highlight for us on that day for a few years now. Nothing against the Victorians trying something new. I just hope to see my favourites in NSW the following week. I can't travel to Victoria at that time due to work.
The George Main is the 1600m WFA championship. Winx, Kingston Town, Shannon, Lonhro, Shaftsbury Avenue, Emancipation, Baguette, Wenona Star, Sacred Falls, Kermadec, Shoot Out, Imposing, Streama, More Joyous, Grand Armee, Mentality, Shogun Lodge, Durbridge etc etc etc. You can't say that this list isn't extremely good.
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Lordy
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Field will be decided by Russian bots.
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Bonfield
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Stupid race imo.
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Tontonan
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It will be interesting to see if they assume the Blamey Stakes as the All Star Mile ...or whetever the hell they call it.
If they do they will assume the Blamey's Group 2 status - and we will lose a race named in honour of one of our most important soldiers for a cutesy marketing exercise with the sole purpose of thumbing their noses at the ATC.
Our racing administrators are pathetic. |
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Shawy38
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I want this to field with some no hopers
Horses like Entirely Perfect, Sommernachstraum, Rets and Earthling Let’s hope all four get a run |
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Gee Gee
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Spoilt brat who shovels down the meat pies Nick Williams (who bags the Everest) can fill half this field with his Plodders first up.
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Red Hare
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Hartnell $26 TAB/UBET
Le Romain $34 Sportsbet |
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“Where in this wide world can man find nobility without pride, friendship without envy, or beauty without vanity? Here where grace is laced with muscle and strength by gentleness confined”
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Does not sit comfortably that The Autumn Sun's connections are publicly confirming they intend to dodge Winx. I find it absolutely pathetic and particularly when they state they wouldn't want to beat her like they think they have a live chance. Personally I wouldn't support the horse at stud out of principle and the fact I think Redoubt's are pea-hearted just like the owners.
Harsh, yes. But imagine if Northerly was campaigned around Sunline. What a build-up if they both ran, would be great for racing.
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Speediskey
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It's marketing hype - they will definitely end up racing if he comes back as dominant. The way I see it they only have one real 'out' against racing Winx and that is to make the Doncaster the 'goal'. The only other way he avoids her and also doesn't run in this mile race is by going what, Randwick Guineas - Rosehill Guineas, seems a crazy underwhelming prep, feel like even if he went undefeated in that prep (without the Doncaster) it would probably if anything dent his value a bit. He really has to win a Doncaster or run Winx a tight race in the QE to maintain the hype.
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pnclick
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Sounds a bit like SEPOY actively dodging BLACK CAVIAR. It was indicated early on he would not take her on and look for other races, trying to protect stud value. Personally, I think Group 1 races should be heavily cut back to encourage the best to race the best. And even change the prizemoney structure of these races so they are not so heavily geared to the winner. The issue you have at the moment is why race for 2nd against WINX in say the Group 1 Turnbull Stakes, when 2nd prizemoney is less than winning most normal races.
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Heavenly Glow
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Connections are dodging Winx because the Autumn Sun would not get anywhere near Winx.
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