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The All-Star Mile to expand in 2020 as key race conditions are unveiled

13 August, 2019

Australia’s only fan-voted horse race will expand across the Tasman in 2020 with New Zealand residents to help shape the field for the second annual The All-Star Mile.

 

The top 10 horses from a public vote will again secure a berth in the world’s richest mile race to be run at Caulfield Racecourse for the first time on Saturday, 14 March.

 

News of the expansion of The All-Star Mile to include votes from New Zealand was made today at the unveiling of the key race conditions for the 2020 edition.

 

It comes on the eve of the return clash between The All-Star Mile 2019 winner Mystic Journey and runner-up Hartnell, who resume in the Group 2 P.B. Lawrence Stakes (1400m) at Caulfield this Saturday.

 

The key announcements made by Racing Victoria (RV) and 2020 host, the Melbourne Racing Club (MRC), are as follows:

 

  • The core structure of The All-Star Mile will remain the same with prizemoney of $5 million and the top 10 horses from a public vote securing a start in the weight-for-age contest;

     

  • The expansion of the field size from 14 to 15 starters with the addition of a fifth wildcard to be chosen by RV and MRC’s wildcard selection panel;

     

  • The introduction of two ‘win and you’re in races’ with the winners of the 2020 Futurity Stakes (1400m, Caulfield, 22 February) and the 2020 Blamey Stakes (1600m, Flemington, 29 February) guaranteed a start;

     

  • If the winner of the Futurity Stakes and/or Blamey Stakes has already secured a start via the public vote, then the berth will revert to a traditional wildcard selection;

     

  • An increase in the minimum handicap rating at the close of nominations for horses aged four-years and older from 70 to 80, with three-year-olds to remain at 70;

     

  • The introduction of minimum performance criteria requiring horses, at the close of nominations in January 2020, to have placed first, second or third in a Group or Listed race since 1 February 2019 or have earned $20,000 or more placing first, second or third in a flat race during the same period;

     

  • A change in the allocation of prizemoney for horses finishing outside the top five placegetters from $90,000 each to $120,000 for the sixth to eighth placed horses, $100,000 for ninth and 10th and $50,000 for 11th to 15th;

     

  • The retention of both a $500 entry fee – which will again be donated to charity – and no acceptance fees;

     

  • The introduction of a free acceptance stage following the announcement of the top 10 voted horses to confirm the entries that wish to be considered for selection as an emergency if not granted a wildcard; and

     

  • A change in the criteria for the selection of emergencies from career prizemoney earnt to the highest total prizemoney earners in races between 1200m and 2050m from 1 February 2019 until final acceptances in March 2020.

 

Quotes attributable to RV Executive General Manager – Racing, Greg Carpenter:

 

“The original All-Star Mile in March was a tremendous success attracting 140,000 votes and more than 16,000 people to Flemington who witnessed the fairy-tale victory of three-year-old filly Mystic Journey in a race that rates among the best of 2019.

 

“We were delighted with the passion shown for the race by the Australian public in its inaugural year and we’ve taken our time since to consider the various feedback we’ve received on how we can make The All-Star Mile 2020 even better.

 

“We’re excited to announce today that we’ll be allowing racing fans in New Zealand the opportunity to also vote for their favourite horse to gain a start in The All-Star Mile. Will they vote for homegrown stars like Melody Belle and Te Akau Shark or put patriotism aside and vote for the likes of Mystic Journey? It will be interesting to watch.

 

“In building the race conditions for The All-Star Mile 2020 we wanted to consider our learnings from year one, whilst ensuring that we retained the essence of the race, that being a fan-driven contest in which a broad section of owners and trainers get the chance to compete in a lucrative, world class event.

 

“The changes to the conditions will ensure that The All-Star Mile is a contest befitting of its status, whilst retaining the unique opportunity for fairy-tale stories to emerge and dreams to be realised.

 

“We’re confident that the enhancements announced today will ensure that The All-Star Mile 2020 at Caulfield will generate great interest, some innovative marketing campaigns and a wonderful contest for all to enjoy.”

 

Quotes attributable to MRC Executive Director – Racing & Membership, Jake Norton:

 

“We are thrilled to be hosting the second edition of The All-Star Mile at Caulfield in 2020 and recognise the updated conditions, which will no doubt result in a more competitive campaign period and a more exciting field.

 

“We welcome the initiative to accept votes from our New Zealand neighbours and look forward to engaging them, and the Australian racing public, in a fierce campaign to identify the 10 most popular and best horses for the race.

 

“The addition of the two ‘win and you’re in’ races will provide further touchpoints for the public, the media and the industry to be involved in The All-Star Mile, as well as acting as welcome boosts to both of those racedays at Caulfield and Flemington.

 

“As we saw last year, the world’s richest mile has the power to transcend international boundaries and become a talking point for racing across the globe, and so we look forward to seeing a field of the best local and international runners here on 14 March.”

 

Nominations for The All-Star Mile 2020 will open in December 2019 with voting to commence in January 2020.


https://www.racingvictoria.com.au/news/2019-08-13/the-all-star-mile-to-expand-in-2020-as-key-race-conditions-are-unveiled

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Shame you clearly didn’t even watch the race.
Hint: the “Davids”went so well,one of the proposed changes is not to pay down to last ever again.......

The other is to reduce the number of “David’s” in the race....
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The whole concept sucks!! 5mill up for grabs! And the put hazards in the way of good horses!! Like they are trying to trip up the good ones. I cannot see how anyone could entertain the mediocrity of the concept. But I'm only one person with one opinion. The chiefs at RVL got well paid to think of that idea.
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Originally posted by rusty nails rusty nails wrote:

Originally posted by Paul Hogan Paul Hogan wrote:

What a good concept.

Needs a little refining but loved the build up and the race.

You can't beat racing at Flemington so much better than the Everest.

Sydney racing will never have what Melbourne has, history.

I don’t get this d1ck measuring contest about nsw v vic.

But if you want to play, on a perfect day for racing, when the vrc opened up the members to pretty much every other racing club, and were offering 1/2 price tickets for the day.
What was the crowd?
What was betting turnover?
No freebies on Everest day, where they actually placed a premium to entry fees,and where turnover was setting records.

Where was the best horse in the land today?
No interest in the event.
What did winners have to say about the race?
Not as good as winning the guineas...


It has nothing to do with appendages.

Victoria is the racing capital of Australia.

Melbourne Cup, Cox Plate, Caulfield Cup.....go figure.

I am surprised, loved the race.

David v Goliath what a brilliant concept.
Maybe they can play around with the weights a bit but they have a lot to work with.
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Balfs Choice ran a cracking race.

90 rater challenging group horses, excellent effort!
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Originally posted by pnclick pnclick wrote:

Ultimately, the race was an interesting affair. 

A success? well yes and no. 

Yes from the viewpoint it had people interested, talking, involved and the top end of the field was really good, albeit few in numbers.

No from the viewpoint of the prizemoney involved was massively excessive and the tail was long.

How to improve on the concept?

1. Reduce the public voting numbers of those that get in via this avenue to say 6. This will condense the voting on the "good" horses to maybe a few, so they will get more votes as a result, I know I was one trying to vote for the 10th voting ordered entry...ps... It didn't work!!!

2. Do not pay prizemoney down to last place, maybe... have runners nominate an approved charity, and those from say 11th through to 14th will have money allocated to that charity. Therefore there is a risk for connections for stupid voting, on non-competitve horses....

3. Increase the benchmark to 80+ or even 90+.




I agree with your points pnclick, but I would change some other things.

The voting should be done in a smilar way to the Kosciusko in NSW. It should be done through the VRC, where the voters get a number, which is put into a draw and if your number is selected there is a manual draw at the VRC, where you get a runners number, which is then your chance to win the $250,000.

I do not know how this worked, but the guy who won the $250,000 did not actually select Mystic Journey, he voted for Moss N Dale. This part of the voting to me seemed non-transparent.

To make it a relevant race, you need to entice overseas runners. If the VRC were to change the voting, this would allow overseas voters to vote for an overseas horse. The race last week should have had Melody Belle in it NZ's best horse, but because she was only going to get in via a wildcard, the connections knocked it back due to traveling arrrangements.

Japan, Hong Kong and New Zeland runners would make this a mini Pacific Mile championship.

But the VRC look like they are on to th changes required!

Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise
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Ultimately, the race was an interesting affair. 

A success? well yes and no. 

Yes from the viewpoint it had people interested, talking, involved and the top end of the field was really good, albeit few in numbers.

No from the viewpoint of the prizemoney involved was massively excessive and the tail was long.

How to improve on the concept?

1. Reduce the public voting numbers of those that get in via this avenue to say 6. This will condense the voting on the "good" horses to maybe a few, so they will get more votes as a result, I know I was one trying to vote for the 10th voting ordered entry...ps... It didn't work!!!

2. Do not pay prizemoney down to last place, maybe... have runners nominate an approved charity, and those from say 11th through to 14th will have money allocated to that charity. Therefore there is a risk for connections for stupid voting, on non-competitve horses....

3. Increase the benchmark to 80+ or even 90+.


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He got excited didn't he!
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Just had another watch of the race. You reckon the caller had a couple of bucks on Alizee
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Asked if he would love to see his pair have another crack at Mystic Journey, Cummings said: “We’ll just let the dust settle.”

“Look at the first to sixth (finishing positions), and it is a serious race. If you got that result in the Doncaster, you would be saying that’s the best Doncaster of all-time, just about.”

Hartnell will head towards the Doncaster on April 6, while Cummings is less certain on the plans for Alizee.


http://www.news.com.au/sport/superracing/allstar-mile-from-flemington-alizee-favourite-to-claim-rich-prize/news-story/d06d18d56c3bb022c2b6e31963ac1ab2

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I think Carpenter is losing his marbles
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How does that make it a success jacko1?  Our top 1600m events don't start till next week and that one is against Winx so most would of preferred to run yesterday for $5,000,000 to going up against her in a G1 next week.  Some will use it as a lead up to races like the Doncaster some will still go through the George Ryder.
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I mean it was a decent competitive race once you added the wildcards. I don't think it was a massive success nor failure. It just kind of blends into the other 1400, 1500, and 1600m races at this time of year. Did they succeed in attracting attention away from the Sydney carnival? Probably for a week. And took away horses that would have been up there, so I guess it's a success on that count.
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He has just plucked a figure out of his ass. Hartnell "earning" 120 means Urban Ruler who has been beaten just 9.75 lengths that bring him in at about 100.
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As a spruiker Carpenter makes a good handicapper. Way OTT the whole way through this.
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Originally posted by TIGER TIGER wrote:

World class is going way overboard

The winner has class about her, she is a lil beauty


Weak era in terms of depth in numbers at a mile onwards. Sad fact but true.
Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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In the bottom half I s'pose,....like Southern Hemisphere.lol.
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World class is going way overboard

The winner has class about her, she is a lil beauty
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I saw a tweet from Greg Carpenter This morning on Twitter and it said:

"The Original @allstarmile ended up being a World Class horse race - Mystic Journey 119 Hartnell 120 Alizee 116 and Le Romain 119 on the day - Breathtakingly Brilliant start in the history of a great race!"


Thoughts? Was the All Star Mile a world class field?
Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

I have to say I was one of the knockers but the race has to be considered a success. Perfect day, Flemington at it’s best and a genuine star truly emerging. Apart from HC most ran to expectations, the outsiders acquitted themselves well and most importantly, didn’t seem to get in anyone’s way.

They’ll need to raise the BM minimum, but I think the race has legs. A shame in some ways, because it’ll really detract from the Ryder. But maybe that’s the point.


And hopefully the race is a Group 1 one day
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I have to say I was one of the knockers but the race has to be considered a success. Perfect day, Flemington at it’s best and a genuine star truly emerging. Apart from HC most ran to expectations, the outsiders acquitted themselves well and most importantly, didn’t seem to get in anyone’s way.

They’ll need to raise the BM minimum, but I think the race has legs. A shame in some ways, because it’ll really detract from the Ryder. But maybe that’s the point.
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The comments on the racenet article sum it up

Laughable article
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I’ve had a bonus bet on Hartnell. Probably runs like a crab but we’ll see.



Close but no cigar. Might have won had he gotten a run earlier. Oh well, that’s the way it goes.
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I think Sydney adding a good support card to the Everest, the Sydney Stakes, Kosciuszko, revived St Leger as well as the Craven Plate makes it a day of good racing coupled with a good day in Melbourne.

The rest of the racing in Melbourne today was nothing to really get excited about as much as racing.com tried to build it up.
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Originally posted by Paul Hogan Paul Hogan wrote:

What a good concept.

Needs a little refining but loved the build up and the race.

You can't beat racing at Flemington so much better than the Everest.

Sydney racing will never have what Melbourne has, history.

I don’t get this d1ck measuring contest about nsw v vic.

But if you want to play, on a perfect day for racing, when the vrc opened up the members to pretty much every other racing club, and were offering 1/2 price tickets for the day.
What was the crowd?
What was betting turnover?
No freebies on Everest day, where they actually placed a premium to entry fees,and where turnover was setting records.

Where was the best horse in the land today?
No interest in the event.
What did winners have to say about the race?
Not as good as winning the guineas...
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What a good concept.

Needs a little refining but loved the build up and the race.

You can't beat racing at Flemington so much better than the Everest.

Sydney racing will never have what Melbourne has, history.
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Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:



He had bled the last time he ran 2nd to Grunt in Melbourne too.

Ready to retire aye.

Internally Macca, I'm sure they'll look at this in a different way to a full blown nasal one.
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

True Djebel, but not a single voted-in horse in the first eight home.  Sort of sums thing up.

Alizee was a voted in runner 3rd,
Grunt 6th 
Amphitite 7th

Wildcards were Mystic Journey, Hartnell, Happt Clapper and Hawkshot, Emergency Le Romain.

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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:



He had bled the last time he ran 2nd to Grunt in Melbourne too.

Ready to retire aye.
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