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Greg Carpenter will announce a penalty or no penalty today, in my opinion he will get between 2kg and 2.5kg penalty for the Melbourne Cup - currently he has 52kg. He cant get a penalty for the Caulfield Cup as the Herbert Power is a penalty free race so his weight for the Caulfield Cup is 52kg, and reading today there is a good chance he will back up and run in the Caulfield Cup and apparently Michael Walker has been asked to ride Yucutan.
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Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

Greg Carpenter will announce a penalty or no penalty today, in my opinion he will get between 2kg and 2.5kg penalty for the Melbourne Cup - currently he has 52kg. He cant get a penalty for the Caulfield Cup as the Herbert Power is a penalty free race so his weight for the Caulfield Cup is 52kg, and reading today there is a good chance he will back up and run in the Caulfield Cup and apparently Michael Walker has been asked to ride Yucutan.

On his last start they'd be silly not to back it up. To the naked eye it looks like it will take a power of beating as well. I hope they don't back it up though, but according to media reports it is all but confirmed. Lloyd said it was an 80% chance of running. Has came in from 6 to 4.50 with the tab in the past couple of hours.
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Mmmm... that's the Kingmambo/Miesque family. Still has the crown jewels too... 
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Just been announced:

2.5kg penalty for Yucatan for his Herbert Power win.

Will now carry 54.5kg in the Melbourne Cup
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According to my records its the biggest penalty given to a Herbert Power winner since prior to 1980
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And so it should be.  I would have given him 3kg. 
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Rules have been changed, if he wins the CC on Sat he can now be given a penalty into the MC
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Great dare shot at the Caufleid Cup as he cant be penalised there from the Herbert Power. He has therefore beaten the handicapper and 7 days off that performance...gee, he's going to zoom past them I think.
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Yucatan is 24th in the order of entry for the Melbourne Cup...he should get a run based on the attrition rate but to be sure then yes he may need to win again to try and get another penalty. I reckon if McDonald didnt ease up in the last 100m and won by 5-6 lengths then the penalty would of been 3kg and would if taken him higher in the Melbourne Cup order of entry.
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Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

Great dare shot at the Caufleid Cup as he cant be penalised there from the Herbert Power. He has therefore beaten the handicapper and 7 days off that performance...gee, he's going to zoom past them I think.


Greg Carpenter said this afternoon that the VRC changed the conditions meaning that if he wins Caulfield Cup then he CAN get another rehandicap for Flemington
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Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

Yucatan is 24th in the order of entry for the Melbourne Cup...he should get a run based on the attrition rate but to be sure then yes he may need to win again to try and get another penalty. I reckon if McDonald didnt ease up in the last 100m and won by 5-6 lengths then the penalty would of been 3kg and would if taken him higher in the Melbourne Cup order of entry.


Melb Cup has 24 runners. He is 24th in entry so therefore if my maths is correct he is guaranteed a run
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Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

Yucatan is 24th in the order of entry for the Melbourne Cup...he should get a run based on the attrition rate but to be sure then yes he may need to win again to try and get another penalty. I reckon if McDonald didnt ease up in the last 100m and won by 5-6 lengths then the penalty would of been 3kg and would if taken him higher in the Melbourne Cup order of entry.


Melb Cup has 24 runners. He is 24th in entry so therefore if my maths is correct he is guaranteed a run

Other races with penalties to come?
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Originally posted by Softy Softy wrote:

Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

Yucatan is 24th in the order of entry for the Melbourne Cup...he should get a run based on the attrition rate but to be sure then yes he may need to win again to try and get another penalty. I reckon if McDonald didnt ease up in the last 100m and won by 5-6 lengths then the penalty would of been 3kg and would if taken him higher in the Melbourne Cup order of entry.


Melb Cup has 24 runners. He is 24th in entry so therefore if my maths is correct he is guaranteed a run

Other races with penalties to come?



Yes - Lexus Stakes, Moonee Valley Cup, Geelong Cup
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Thanks Jamal, I knew Geelong Cup was bit wasn’t sure of others👍
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If Lloyd is true to form, Yucatan will accept for the Caulfield Cup but then be scratched on Saturday morning to be saved for the Melb Cup.
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You'd never get a 52kg runner in the Caulfield Cup with a better lead up run. Cannot see him not running. Take the Caulfield Cup and worry about any penalty afterwards...
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Originally posted by pnclick pnclick wrote:

You'd never get a 52kg runner in the Caulfield Cup with a better lead up run. Cannot see him not running. Take the Caulfield Cup and worry about any penalty afterwards...



Boom Time won the Caulfield Cup with 52kg and finished 4th in the Herbert Power after being on the pace..ot was a brutal pace..they went quick.

Vutucan was very very impressive in his Herbert Power win and hopefully he backs up and runs in the Caulield Cup.
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Not running the Caulfield cup
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Based on a hunch or fact?
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    Owner Lloyd Williams says Yucatan just requires extra time to recover from a firm surface at Caulfield last Saturday. In a perfect world straight to the Melbourne Cup. The move suits European horses better long term.
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Andrew Bensley reporting on twitter Lloyd Williams saying he’s out and requires more time after running on the firm surface...

I think they just want to keep the handicap low and with emotionless out of the cup he’s 23rd in line so a good chance but who knows..
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Lloyd Williams has sent an SMS to a select bunch of racing journos, saying track at caulfield was too hard. Won’t be taking him back there on sat
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Pretty gelati of them, asking Walker to get down to 52kgs to then not run. Better they tell him now than later, though.
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https://www.racing.com/news/2018-10-15/news-yucatan-out-of-caulfield-cup
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Wow!!! Thought he had the Cup at his beck and call based on that performance the other day.
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Fair dinkum ?

I just put him in a parley woth The Derby and Cup.

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The Melbourne Cup is what Lloyd wants. Even if it means missing out on the CC.
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Until today I was thinking he would be saved for the Melbourne cup, then finally I was convinced he was running in CC so placed a bit of a "saver" bet on him...... Probably the quickest loss I've ever had!!
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Read this article...it mentiones Suilaman who won the Herbert Power by 12 lengths in 1975: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/racing/yucatan-gets-2-5kg-melbourne-cup-penalty-after-dominant-power-display-20181015-p509qs.html
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