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Jamal
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Greg Carpenter will announce a penalty or no penalty today, in my opinion he will get between 2kg and 2.5kg penalty for the Melbourne Cup - currently he has 52kg. He cant get a penalty for the Caulfield Cup as the Herbert Power is a penalty free race so his weight for the Caulfield Cup is 52kg, and reading today there is a good chance he will back up and run in the Caulfield Cup and apparently Michael Walker has been asked to ride Yucutan.
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Heavenly Glow
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On his last start they'd be silly not to back it up. To the naked eye it looks like it will take a power of beating as well. I hope they don't back it up though, but according to media reports it is all but confirmed. Lloyd said it was an 80% chance of running. Has came in from 6 to 4.50 with the tab in the past couple of hours.
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StormSiren
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Mmmm... that's the Kingmambo/Miesque family. Still has the crown jewels too...
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Lost in the magical world of racing. Storm Siren, Sirens Star, Elpis & Wait For It.
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Jamal
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Just been announced:
2.5kg penalty for Yucatan for his Herbert Power win. Will now carry 54.5kg in the Melbourne Cup |
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Jamal
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According to my records its the biggest penalty given to a Herbert Power winner since prior to 1980
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Tontonan
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And so it should be. I would have given him 3kg.
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Shawy38
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Rules have been changed, if he wins the CC on Sat he can now be given a penalty into the MC
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Sunline
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Great dare shot at the Caufleid Cup as he cant be penalised there from the Herbert Power. He has therefore beaten the handicapper and 7 days off that performance...gee, he's going to zoom past them I think.
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Sunline...simply supreme
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Jamal
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Yucatan is 24th in the order of entry for the Melbourne Cup...he should get a run based on the attrition rate but to be sure then yes he may need to win again to try and get another penalty. I reckon if McDonald didnt ease up in the last 100m and won by 5-6 lengths then the penalty would of been 3kg and would if taken him higher in the Melbourne Cup order of entry.
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Shawy38
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Greg Carpenter said this afternoon that the VRC changed the conditions meaning that if he wins Caulfield Cup then he CAN get another rehandicap for Flemington |
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Shawy38
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Melb Cup has 24 runners. He is 24th in entry so therefore if my maths is correct he is guaranteed a run |
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Softy
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Other races with penalties to come? |
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Jamal
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Yes - Lexus Stakes, Moonee Valley Cup, Geelong Cup |
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Softy
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Thanks Jamal, I knew Geelong Cup was bit wasn’t sure of others👍
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Lord Hybrow
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If Lloyd is true to form, Yucatan will accept for the Caulfield Cup but then be scratched on Saturday morning to be saved for the Melb Cup.
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pnclick
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You'd never get a 52kg runner in the Caulfield Cup with a better lead up run. Cannot see him not running. Take the Caulfield Cup and worry about any penalty afterwards...
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Jamal
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Boom Time won the Caulfield Cup with 52kg and finished 4th in the Herbert Power after being on the pace..ot was a brutal pace..they went quick. Vutucan was very very impressive in his Herbert Power win and hopefully he backs up and runs in the Caulield Cup. |
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StormSiren
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Not running the Caulfield cup
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Lost in the magical world of racing. Storm Siren, Sirens Star, Elpis & Wait For It.
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Cupper
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Based on a hunch or fact?
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Prince Harada
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StormSiren
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Andrew Bensley reporting on twitter Lloyd Williams saying he’s out and requires more time after running on the firm surface...
I think they just want to keep the handicap low and with emotionless out of the cup he’s 23rd in line so a good chance but who knows.. |
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Lost in the magical world of racing. Storm Siren, Sirens Star, Elpis & Wait For It.
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Shawy38
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Lloyd Williams has sent an SMS to a select bunch of racing journos, saying track at caulfield was too hard. Won’t be taking him back there on sat
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Cupper
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As a kings will dream backer I'm happy with that news
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Speediskey
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Pretty gelati of them, asking Walker to get down to 52kgs to then not run. Better they tell him now than later, though.
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Jamal
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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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pnclick
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Wow!!! Thought he had the Cup at his beck and call based on that performance the other day.
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djebel
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Fair dinkum ?
I just put him in a parley woth The Derby and Cup. Bugga |
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reductio ad absurdum
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saintly96
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The Melbourne Cup is what Lloyd wants. Even if it means missing out on the CC.
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Cupper
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Until today I was thinking he would be saved for the Melbourne cup, then finally I was convinced he was running in CC so placed a bit of a "saver" bet on him...... Probably the quickest loss I've ever had!!
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Jamal
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Read this article...it mentiones Suilaman who won the Herbert Power by 12 lengths in 1975: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/racing/yucatan-gets-2-5kg-melbourne-cup-penalty-after-dominant-power-display-20181015-p509qs.html
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