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mc41
Champion Joined: 20 Feb 2007 Location: Goldcoast Au Status: Offline Points: 4919 |
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Nolen booted,Boss now the pilot.
Decided by owners |
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Red Hare
Champion Joined: 12 Jan 2015 Location: Victoria Status: Offline Points: 4233 |
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Does Nolen ride that light? Constantinople has got 52.5kg.
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Passing Through
Champion Joined: 09 Jan 2013 Location: At home Status: Offline Points: 79533 |
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He rode him at 53kg yesterday.
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Carioca
Champion Joined: 13 Nov 2015 Status: Offline Points: 21698 |
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After watching that staying race at Ascot last night ( and a great spectacle) I think Appleby can do it again with Cross Counter, 57-5 kg ( 9 st. 1 lb.) won't worry him imo, I had Constantinople on top in my tips but from the 1/2 mile to the furlong was never out of trouble , have my doubts on his 2 mile capabilities though fwiw.
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mc41
Champion Joined: 20 Feb 2007 Location: Goldcoast Au Status: Offline Points: 4919 |
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Has been replaced would say he is booted off |
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Shawy38
Champion Joined: 13 Jun 2015 Status: Offline Points: 17265 |
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I posted a story on the Constantinople thread Which has some detail in it
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cotto1
Yearling Joined: 24 Jul 2016 Status: Offline Points: 119 |
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Hi there guys:
What is everyone making of Mustajeers hit out in the Caulfield cup?. He went better than I thought he would. |
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TJMitchell
Champion Joined: 29 Jun 2014 Location: Melbourne Status: Offline Points: 16890 |
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Feature Race - GOLD MOUNT (GB) - lame off fore. Will not be continuing with Spring preparation.
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Jamal
Champion Joined: 25 Jul 2011 Status: Offline Points: 8659 |
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Today, Racing Victoria Chief Handicapper Greg Carpenter announced that Caulfield Cup winner Mer De Glace has recieved a 1kg penalty for winning the Caulfield Cup. This means his Melbourne Cup weight is now 56kg. The last horse to do the Caulfield Cup/Melbourne Cup double was Ethereal in 2001. The last Melbourne Cup winner to carry 56kg was Japanese horse Delta Blues in 2006
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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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TJMitchell
Champion Joined: 29 Jun 2014 Location: Melbourne Status: Offline Points: 16890 |
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Retired
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cotto1
Yearling Joined: 24 Jul 2016 Status: Offline Points: 119 |
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Hi guys:
Red verdon out of the m cup.bone issues. |
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Jamal
Champion Joined: 25 Jul 2011 Status: Offline Points: 8659 |
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With Prince Of Arran winning the Geelong Cup, some interesting info:
Prince Of Arran fastest Geelong Cup race time in the past 15 years. In previous 15 years, fastest was: 2002 Media Puzzle (won Melbourne Cup) 2004 Zazzman (3rd in Melbourne Cup) 2005 On A Jeune (2nd Melbourne Cup) Plus Prince Of Arran has now had 5 starts in Australia: 3rd: G2 2018 Herbert Power (2400m) 1st: G2 2018 Lexus Stakes (2500m) 3rd: G1 2018 Melbourne Cup (3200m) 2nd: G2 2019 Herbert Power (2400m) 1st: G3 2019 Geelong Cup (2400m) |
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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Slammington
Champion Joined: 24 May 2007 Status: Offline Points: 328 |
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He has certainly built up a very impressive record in Australia. How he didn't get given enough weight to guarantee a start after his performances last year is perplexing especially when considered against some others higher in the weights.
Thankfully he should now get in because it would have been a disgrace had he missed out. |
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Jamal
Champion Joined: 25 Jul 2011 Status: Offline Points: 8659 |
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His form after the 2018 Melbourne Cup last year was: 8th: 2018 G1 Hong Kong Vase (2400m) 4th: 2019 G2 Dubai City of Gold Cup (2400m) 9th: 2019 G2 Dubai Gold Cup (3200m) 5th: 2019 G3 Glorious Stakes (2412m) 8th: 2019 G2 Ebor Handicap (2787m) 3rd: 2019 G3 September Stakes (2413m) 2nd: 2019 G2 Herbert Power Stakes (2400m) 1st: 2019 G3 Geelong Cup (2400m) I reckon it was based on his performances outside Australia in 2019 which meant he was given the same weight as last year's Melbourne Cup (53kg), which meant he was down the order of entry. But as he has now won the Geelong Cup - hopefully he gets a penalty and can go up the order of entry. |
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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Balciano
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Greg Carpenter was interviewed this morning explaining the weight of 53kgs for Prince of Arran in the Cup. He stated it was partly based on his poor form since the Cup last year - in fact were it not for his 3rd on the synthetic at Kempton Park prior to the weights being released, Carpenter was considering giving him less than 53kgs.
The other reason he stated was that Marmelo carried 56kgs last year in the Cup, and beat home POA with 53kgs comfortably. As Marmelo had again been given 56kgs this year, he couldn't reasonably put POA any closer to him in the weights. Was an interesting reasoning. |
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djebel
Premium Joined: 07 Mar 2007 Status: Offline Points: 53960 |
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It is really quite obvious reasoning.
It is just a shame Carpenter starts off such a low weight. These horses could be carrying 3 or 4 kilos more allowing for a far great spread of weights. |
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reductio ad absurdum
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Red Hare
Champion Joined: 12 Jan 2015 Location: Victoria Status: Offline Points: 4233 |
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Prince of Arran was penalised for racing against the best.
It would’ve been an absolute clusterfluff if he was balloted out for Neufbosc, Youngstar or one of the O’Brien dromedaries. Deadset, how is he behind Hunting Horn? |
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djebel
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Hunting Horn is a far superior horse.
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reductio ad absurdum
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mikey
Champion Joined: 01 Nov 2008 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 511 |
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Big call. Hunting Horn's good form is 12+ months ago too. I couldn't have him above POA at present - we have no idea if he even likes Australia. |
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Lord Hybrow
Champion Joined: 05 Jul 2015 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 6643 |
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The horse who I can’t fathom the weight for is IL PARADISO at 52.5kg.
This NH 3yo’s record is 2 wins from 8 starts, with no black type wins. Those 2 wins were a 2400m maiden at Leopardstown & an 3200m open handicap at The Curragh. Each time he’s run at G1 level he’s been an abject failure, running 7th in the Irish Derby (beaten 17 Lens) & 5th in the St Leger (where he wilted in the straight after being invited a perfect position). Other NH 3yo Melb Cup runners of recent years have been significantly better performed & have received less weight - Mahler at 50.5kg, Cross Counter at 51kg, Rekindling 51.5kg. All 3 of those horses had won black type races before coming to the Melb Cup but received less weight. Even factoring in the change that Carpenter made to weighting NH 3yo’s for 2019, there’s no way Il Paradiso justifies getting 52.5kg. Was he given that weight to make sure that Aiden O’Brien had a runner? |
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mikey
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He was 3rd (albeit in a 4 horse field), beaten 1.25 lengths before the worlds best stayer - Stradivarius at York on 23/8.
That is what earnt him the 52.5kgs. |
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Lord Hybrow
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I’ve seen his Lonsdale Cup run behind Stradivarius & Dee Ex Bee. It was an excellent effort.
So he gets 52.5kg on just 1 good run, despite the rest of his form being rubbish? |
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mikey
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Pretty much. & the recent history of Northern Hemisphere 3yo's.
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Red Hare
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Jamal
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A 1kg penalty for Prince Of Arran for winning the Geelong Cup. Now has 54kg in the Melbourne Cup.
Last horse to do the Geelong Cup/Melbourne Cup double was Dunaden - 2011 |
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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Balciano
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You're then looking at Cross Counter/Avilius/Kew Gardens types being given 61-62kgs, almost assuring they won't run. Agree that the spread of 8-9 kgs from top to bottom at the time weights are released is too compressed, but when was the last time a horse carried more than 60kgs or more in a Melbourne Cup. Double Trigger? Kingston Town? |
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cotto1
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Hi there guys:
Quick question is hartnell still aiming for the Melbourne cup. If yes - how do you think he’ll go. |
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djebel
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Not sure it would scare the Poms or Irish off.
They are used to carrying and giving big weights away. It is a shame the weights are not framed in such away that the majority are carrying more than 57 kgs. The weights in the Ebor nearly always hold up, granted very rarely is there a massive spread. This year for example it was something like 62 down to 57.5. Prince Of Arran had 60.5. Cross Counter has carried 61 kgs at his last two group 1 starts. |
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reductio ad absurdum
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djebel
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NO. He is having his final race start in the Mackinnon Stakes, The Springs championship 2000m contest.
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