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cotto1
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Hi there guys: I think I saw today was the day for late nominations for the cup.are there any.just out of curiosity?.
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TJMitchell
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None for the MC. Constantinople and Danceteria added to the CC.
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djebel
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Surprise Baby and Finche both outstanding today.
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reductio ad absurdum
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djebel
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Some really good reading here.
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crooked_gambler
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I liked Douglas MacArthur’s run yesterday
One to follow in the big races. |
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VOYAGER
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I agree with you djebel, but I just wish Surprise Baby had of started off at 2000m.
Anyway I am crossing my fingers with both of them. Finche looks a quality animal who could develop into one of the better 2400m WFS horses in the world if trained for it. Tactical speed, good weight carrier and can finish off after being placed near the lead. Classy galloper! |
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cotto1
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Hi guys:
Would you guys aim kings will dream at this years Melbourne cup?. I think they are maybe aiming him at the Cox Plate. |
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crooked_gambler
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Jamal
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The Aidan O'Brien stayer Kew Gardens earned topweight of 58 kilograms for the $8 million race on November 5 but with 57.5kg, Godolphin horse Cross Counter faces the task of having to rise a whopping 6.5kg from his winning weight as a Northern Hemisphere three-year-old. Godolphin's Group 1-winning duo Avilius and Hartnell have been assigned the joint topweight of 58kg for the $5.15m Caulfield Cup. Cross Counter, who surged to victory in last year's Melbourne Cup for his British trainer Charlie Appleby, will carry 57.5kg this year as he bids to become the first horse since Makybe Diva in 2005 to retain the crown. The 6.5kg increase from last year's weight of 51kg is the joint-second-highest progression in the weight allocated to a Melbourne Cup winner since 1970, with only Gala Supreme - in 1974 - receiving a larger increase of 8.5kg. With differing topweights across the two Cups, the majority of dual entries have received 0.5kg less in the Melbourne Cup than the Caulfield Cup. Avilius has been handed 57.5kg in the Melbourne Cup, with brilliant Japanese mare Lys Gracieux next in the weight scale on 57kg. "Kew Gardens was the world's joint-highest-rated stayer alongside Stradivarius last year, he was a dominant winner of the 2018 St Leger at Doncaster and so is a worthy topweight among the 152 entries for this year's Melbourne Cup," said Carpenter. "Cross Counter will carry 6.5kg more than when he won the Melbourne Cup, which is the same increase as Let's Elope in 1992, but given the nature of his victory last year and the natural progression in the weight-for-age benchmark from a three-year-old to a four-year-old, I felt it was an appropriate penalty to impose. "In the Caulfield Cup, Avilius and Hartnell have both proven themselves at the highest level and thus have been assigned equal topweight among the 145 entries. "In the past 12 months, Avilius has won two Group 1 races at 2000 metres or further and was Australia's highest-rated stayer, while Hartnell has maintained his place among the nation's elite performers. "The 2018 Caulfield Cup topweight Humidor has been assigned one kilo less for this year's renewal, whilst Homesman's superb win in the Group 2 Feehan Stakes at The Valley last Saturday has earned him 56.5kg in the Caulfield Cup and 56kg in the Melbourne Cup. "Homesman had 53kg when a narrow second to Best Solution in last year's Caulfield Cup. "Inevitably the internationals will again pose a formidable challenge to the locally-trained stayers, with the first three home in the 2018 Melbourne Cup all set to return to Melbourne this year, but if the likes of Andrew Ramsden winner Steel Prince and Adelaide Cup winner Surprise Baby can maintain their form throughout the spring, I'm sure the visiting horses will have a real fight on their hands." The weights allocated to other notable entries are as follows: • 2018 Melbourne Cup placegetters Marmelo (Hughie Morrison) and Prince Of Arran (Charlie Fellowes) both have same weight as they carried 12 months prior with 56kg and 53kg respectively. Prince of Arran has 53.5kg in the Caulfield Cup; • Andrew Ramsden winner Steel Prince (Anthony Freedman) is guaranteed a start in the Melbourne Cup and has 52.5kg - the same weight as the horse he narrowly defeated in the ballot exemption race, Surprise Baby (Paul Preusker). Both horses carry 0.5kg more in the Caulfield Cup; • Northern Hemisphere three-year-olds have won the past two Melbourne Cups and the equal highest weighted on 52.5kg are Lindsay Park import Constantinople, German Derby runner-up Django Freeman (Robert Hickmott) and Lonsdale Cup placegetter Il Paradiso (Aidan O'Brien). The former two are also nominated for the Caulfield Cup and have 53kg; • Six-time Melbourne Cup-winning owner Lloyd Williams has multiple runners in contention for a start in the 2019 edition including Joseph O'Brien-trained trio Master of Reality (55.5kg), Latrobe (55kg) and Twilight Payment (55kg) and Liam Howley-trained trio Homesman, Johannes Vermeer (55kg) and Yucatan (54.5kg); • Last start German Group 1 winner Danceteria (David Menuisier), one of two late entries for the Caulfield Cup alongside Constantinople, has been allocated 56kg for the 19 October feature; • Soon-to-arrive imports Mirage Dancer (Trent Busuttin and Natalie Young) and Southern France (Ciaron Maher and David Eustace) have also been allocated 56kg in the Caulfield Cup - 0.5kg more than the Melbourne Cup; • Recent Group 1 Winx Stakes winner Samadoubt (Bjorn Baker) - who is entered for the Caulfield Cup only - shares the line with them at 56kg; • The Australian Bloodstock-owned Ebor Handicap winner Mustajeer (Kris Lees) has 55.5kg in the Caulfield Cup and 55kg in the Melbourne Cup, while runner-up Red Galileo (Saeed bin Suroor) has 53kg and 52.5kg respectively and third placegetter Desert Skyline (David Elsworth) has 53kg in the Melbourne Cup; • Emerging stayer Mer De Glace (Hisashi Shimizu), a winner of his past five starts, is one of five Japanese entries across the Cups and is weighted on 55.5kg in the Caulfield Cup and 55kg in the Melbourne Cup; • Brisbane Cup winner Sixties Groove (Kris Lees) has been allotted 54.5kg in the Caulfield Cup and 54kg in the Melbourne Cup - 0.5kg more in both races than Sydney Cup winner Shraaoh (Chris Waller); • The highest weighted locally-trained four-year-old is ATC Derby winner Angel of Truth (Gwenda Markwell) who has been assigned 54kg in the Caulfield Cup and 53.5kg in the Melbourne Cup; • Fellow three-year-old classic winners among the entries are Queensland Derby winner Mr Quickie (Phillip Stokes) who has 53kg/52.5kg, New Zealand Derby winner Crown Prosecutor (Stephen Marsh) who has 53kg/52.5kg and South Australian Derby winner Qafila (David and Ben Hayes and Tom Dabernig) who has 51.5kg/51kg; and • ATC Oaks winner Verry Elleegant (Chris Waller) is weighted on 52.5kg for the Caulfield Cup, while Queensland Oaks winner Winning Ways (Garry Newnham) has 51kg in the same race. Verry Elleegant drops to 52kg in the Melbourne Cup. First acceptances for the Caulfield Cup and Melbourne Cup will be taken at noon on Tuesday, October 1. Click here to view the Caulfield Cup weights. Click here to view the Melbourne Cup weights. You May Also Like Strong trial win has Muntahaa ready 11:00am Muntahaa storms to Ebor glory (Image: Racing Post) The Wave hits the Gold Coast 9 Sep, 2019 Sunlight winning on the Gold Coast (Image: Twitter - @mcevoymitchell) No Rupert Clark for The Inevitable 9 Sep, 2019 The Inevitable Recommended Videos Racing To Win - 07.09.19 09 Sep, 2019 Q The Valley Quaddie - Get On 06 Sep, 2019 Q Back, Sack & Crack - Get On 06 Sep, 2019 Q About Careers Contact Feedback FAQs Responsible Wagering Terms & Conditions Privacy Policy © 2019 Racing Victoria Limited (RV) and other parties working with it. 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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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In The Shadows
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Shocking weight for Cross Counter! Carpenter should be hung for that
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djebel
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Jamal, you need to edit these before you post.
In The Shadows, Why do you say that ? It looks fine to me. |
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VOYAGER
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I think your right Djebel.
He was a kilo at least light last year, and if it was not for Stradivarius he would have won at least one group 1 this year. You usually get 4 kilos more at least for winning a cup, add the form this year behind the best 2500m+ horse in Europe and it looks okay to me. |
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crooked_gambler
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Carpenter has got it pretty much spot on imo
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VOYAGER
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Now lets look at my pet rant. The 4yo classic winners, and it looks like he has at least modified the weights given, maybe because he is starting to feel that classic winners in this country are not winning strong staying events, compared to the European and Japan staying events.
Angel Of Truth = 53.5kgs Crown Prosecutor = 52 kgs Mr Quickie = 52.5 kgs Qafila = 51 kgs The Chosen One 51.5 kgs Transact = 50.5 kgs Verry Elleegant = 52 kgs Vow And Declare = 52 kgs |
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Jamal
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Gee I'm sorry. It was an honest mistake. |
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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Jamal
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Cross Counter's weight increase from last year to this year 6.5kg, which is the equal largest weight increase for a Melbourne Cup winner since Let's Elope in 1992. Let's Elope carried 51kg to victory in 1991 and for 1992 she carried 57.5kg...an increase of 6.5kg. Mind you though, Let's Elope did a lot more then Cross Counter has done...so the question is - did Cross Counter deserve 57.5kg?? |
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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Grey Affair
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Cross Counter has gone from being a NH 3yo to a 4yo. That has to be worth 3.5 to 4kg to start with, even without winning the race which has to be worth a few more kilos. What is his weight increase in relation to the WFA scale? I think the weight increase is fair. |
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djebel
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So if Lys Gracieux was a colt she would have 59 kgs. #interesting 🤔
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reductio ad absurdum
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VOYAGER
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I see Gerry Harvey is at it again, self promotion.
He has said on racenet that the Cup has fallen behind The Everest for public interest. Discuss. |
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Heavenly Glow
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There is some truth in that. Not in absolute terms, but the Cup has somewhat fallen behind due to public interest in not only the Everest - but the Sydney carnival that runs consecutive to Melbourne's this year.
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VOYAGER
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I agree with some of what he says in the interview HG, but the Golden Slipper is 60 years old, and it does not have the crossover appeal to non racegoers, that the Melbourne Cup has.
There are several reasons the cup is unique. The history, the handicap conditions, which have changed but still exist to an extent, the time of the year it is run, it basically has no sporting competition, so it can grab the front page of the paper, the fact that it has its own holiday, in Victoria, and the prestige. The only reason the Everest has any cache, is because of its prizemoney. There is no other reason why any non racegoer would even look twice at the race. |
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djebel
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If Kew Gardens and Stradivarius met in a handicap in England there would be just half a kilo between them, Kew Gardens 120, Stradivarius 121.
We can assume Stradivarius would have received just 58.5 kgs in the Cup. What a shame he was not entered and did not take up the challenge.
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Lord Hybrow
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English St Leger 2900m on Sat & Irish St Leger 2800m on Sunday are both stacked with potential Melb Cup runners, so will probably have more impact on markets than Flemington or Rosehill this weekend.
Lloyd Williams has 4 runners in the Irish St Leger (Latrobe , Master of Reality, Buckhurst & Twilight Payment), taking on Godolphin (Cross Counter & Ispolini) & Coolmore (Capri, Cypress Creek, Kew Gardens & Western Australia). Capri is the only one not a Cup entry. Also running is Southern France in Ireland, who was purchased for a 7-figure sum by an Aussie consortium (inc Darren Dance). He’ll have to run well to justify the price massive tag. Apparently will go to Ciaron Maher if he cones down under. |
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Jamal
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For some reason the bug weights can scare them off |
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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Jamal
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https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=423950
See link above...Listen to Greg Carpenter's thoughts on the weights for the Caulfield and Melbourne Cups. |
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VOYAGER
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Okay okay just hold on a minute, what is this I am reading.
I am looking at the ballot order, and Trap For Fools is sitting 25th, but a horse who won the Hotham handicap, and then also ran third in the cup last year is down at 48. Alright I have been looking at Melbourne Cup order's of entry for about 30 years and this one has got me. Surely winning the main lead up, and then running third in the previous years race gets you in the 24 for the following year, am I missing something? And looking at the order of entry, if the 24 horses that are sitting in the field now show up, that will lessen the race in the eyes of Australians. Angel of Truth and Verry Elleegant are the only two locals. |
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cotto1
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Hi there guys: I thought the same thing.surely getting a 3rd place last year.carries some weight with it.
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cotto1
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Hi there guys:
Or do you’s think no it shouldn’t.that each year is different. |
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crooked_gambler
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Trap for Fools is a Group 1 winner
A Prince of Arran is not. |
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Slammington
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I don't have any issue with the order of entry being different year to year as that is entirely dependent on the different nominations. However, I am surprised he didn't receive a higher weight this year for having run 3rd in the Cup.
I assume that he was penalised last year for his win in the Lexus so his weight in last year's race took that win into account. But you would think a placing in the Cup would be worth at least a kilo when you are otherwise as low in the weights as he is. Ispolini is only a G3 winner in Dubai yet he got 55kg and is in the field. Rostropovich, Finche also got more. It just seems a bit strange. The comparison with Trap for Fools may not be the most apposite because he is a G1 wfa winner beating an Irish Derby winner so a completely different profile. But if I was Charlie Fellowes I would be pretty dark about having to come all the way down here and win the Lexus again to get a start. |
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