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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

To beat Winx first up at 1400m I'd be looking for something with class that can control the race up front, slow it down, then scoot. But I can't see that type of horse here. Alizee will be back with Winx won't she?


Now I can. Kementai fits the bill perfectly, if he is ridden the same way he was in the Hobartville.

I don't know why Alizee's scratching means they now run Kementari here. What's that about? Did they think Alizee had Winx covered?Confused
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They are tempting the fates by running Winx in the Winx Stakes. I can see it now in the history books- champion mare Winx's winning run came to an end in the Winx Stakes. Oh, the irony.

If I owned her I'd ask them not to change the name until after she had retired.Wink
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   Hearts in mouth in these unsuitable shorter races , resuming.

Kementari is a bit better than some of the camels she has met early in previous preperations under a mile .
He was less than 2L away when they met at 1500 last prep , & unlucky.

   Don't count your chickens.
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If you want to back him now would be the time. I can't see that $1.12 v $8 price differential holding up.
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Kementari (AUS)
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Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

   Hearts in mouth in these unsuitable shorter races , resuming.

Kementari is a bit better than some of the camels she has met early in previous preperations under a mile .
He was less than 2L away when they met at 1500 last prep , & unlucky.

   Don't count your chickens.

That was probably one of Winx's more average runs in her sequence, and she still beat him pretty easily. He needs to have improved the 2.5kg + 2 lengths + hope she only runs to that level again. Guess you get the odds to find out.
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

I am excited by this race, Kenemtari Vs Winx.

Should she win this it will be a far greater achievement than winning a 4th Cox Plate.


Always good for a laugh djebel. 
Reports suggest Winx is more wound up this time and her gallop between races where Bowman couldn't hold her would suggest that. 

We get a bit blasé  about her winning but let's not underestimate the enormous task for the horse and trainer to rack up a true picket fence. Nevertheless the record is there for her taking. Special K might look a chance at the 50m but she'll get him - I hope. 

Dreamers might hope the racing gods will intervene and call it a tie - BC and Winx that is.LOL
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Very disappointed to hear Alizee is gone, but if that means Kementari runs against Winx, even in a staged race, pretty happy with that!
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Ratings dudes say K can't win- fast pace suits W.
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Where does the fast pace come from ?
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Waller wouldn't dare use Religify and Co to set the pace for Winx. Shocked

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I don't know why ratings people would say Kementari can't win.

He was less than 2L behind her in the 1500m at Rosehill last prep at her 2nd run.
   If the Champion is vulnerable it will be in one of these shorter races early in her preperation.
I think she is just too good or hope that ,   I also think Kementari will make a name for himself as a 4Y/O.
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Winx is Winx, she just finds a way to win.
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1-2-3 barriers should be the pace. Waller won't want it to be a dawdle.
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I see Ladbrokes is giving away $20 bills next Sat. Even money Winx to run in the quinella. Refund if she doesn't run. Nice for small punters
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Cabeza De Vaca for the win.
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to rack up a true picket fence


The great mare is superb but she'll never do that Mr Mice. A true picket fence has nothing but pickets. Wink
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Originally posted by 3blindmice 3blindmice wrote:

I see Ladbrokes is giving away $20 bills next Sat. Even money Winx to run in the quinella. Refund if she doesn't run. Nice for small punters


Free money isn’t it?
Unless of course they know something we don’t.
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If somebody else was riding Kementari I would have some confidence but Glynn is just a numpty when it comes to changing tactics mid-race or foreseeing a horse tiring etc etc.
This is the only start she can be beaten in my eyes and if Kementari pinches a margin on her at the 200m I think he's a chance.

Or he could stalk her and the element of surprise could force her out of her comfort zone.
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Or he could stalk her and the element of surprise could force her out of her comfort zone.

You mean she might have to move out of cruise mode into top gear ??Wink
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What d'you think Hugh is doing letting him get ahead at the 200? Winx will have been well and truly on her bike by then and she's the one with the better turn of foot. Kementari will need to be at least 4 lengths in front at the 400 to have a chance in hell.
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Oh its so nice having the better horses coming back.  It's been very quite around here for awhile.
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Originally posted by furious furious wrote:

Oh its so nice having the better horses coming back.  It's been very quite around here for awhile.<div id="UMS_TOOLTIP" style=": ; cursor: pointer; : 2147483647; : transparent; top: -100000px; left: -100000px;">


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Originally posted by 3blindmice 3blindmice wrote:

I see Ladbrokes is giving away $20 bills next Sat. Even money Winx to run in the quinella. Refund if she doesn't run. Nice for small punters

So......anyone interested in having something on Kementari could have $20 on Winx at Evens, then $20 on Special K at $9 BOOSTED, atm.

If she wins you break even so no harm done, if he wins you collect $180.

It's only $20.
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Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

Originally posted by 3blindmice 3blindmice wrote:

I see Ladbrokes is giving away $20 bills next Sat. Even money Winx to run in the quinella. Refund if she doesn't run. Nice for small punters

So......anyone interested in having something on Kementari could have $20 on Winx at Evens, then $20 on Special K at $9 BOOSTED, atm.

If she wins you break even so no harm done, if he wins you collect $180.

It's only $20.
Or put the free money on the 10-7/9 (Winx- K/D'a) trifecta.

On another matter. Has Ladbrokes discontinued the fixed odds quinella option or have I been limited so can't see it?
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I just took the $20 at $2 for Winx to run in quinella with laddies about 5 min ago
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Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

Originally posted by furious furious wrote:

Oh its so nice having the better horses coming back.  It's been very quite around here for awhile.<div id="UMS_TOOLTIP" style=": ; cursor: pointer; : 2147483647; : transparent; top: -100000px; left: -100000px;">


SPRING IS IN THE AIR.

I'm out of bed by 11 AM ,       That's real Springtime.


LOL,,,me too Macca.    Who gets out of bed , in winter, before at least 10am ??   Wink
Oh yeah !    Those younger than us who "have to go to work ",,,LOL
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Originally posted by Speediskey Speediskey wrote:

What d'you think Hugh is doing letting him get ahead at the 200? Winx will have been well and truly on her bike by then and she's the one with the better turn of foot. Kementari will need to be at least 4 lengths in front at the 400 to have a chance in hell.


We have Hugh, and Glyn.  Riding these 2 horses.   Hmmm,  who should we choose ???   Swap them ??
And whats the outcome ??? 
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If Winx is ever to be vulnerable its today 

Hard track, likely leaders track

Cabeza de vaca hard fit from recent trials, likely leader, 
if it gets a cheap time out front anything can happen

at 151s great ew bet

 Gai would love nothing more than upsetting Winx for her reputation, profile etc

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