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scamanda
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Posted: 04 Aug 2018 at 3:06pm |
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Winner at Australian debut today, albeit in against fairly moderate horses.
But, at least 6 off the lead at the 600m. Ran through the line like he was just getting warmed up. And the last 600m was run in 33.88, in a 1600m race. His final 600 and especially his last furlong would read much better. Godolphin may have found the perfect import to replace Hartnell. |
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Carioca
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Very impressive Scamanda , agree with you there.
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Second Chance
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Yep. Lightly races stakes winner and Gp 2 placed last prep in GB and could be a very serious contender here.
Very much looking forward to our colleague Djebel's assessment of the horse, owners and trainer.
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scamanda
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I started with nothing and still have most of it left
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scamanda
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Kementari next best 32.77
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scamanda
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Well until the last race, Soothing 32.37
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Second Chance
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bump.
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djebel
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Clearly a talented. Clearly the people at Godolphin who pick the Europeans to come here are good judges. I like James but he is the same as all Aussie trainers. |
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reductio ad absurdum
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Champion Joined: 20 May 2010 Location: Melbourne Status: Offline Points: 2560 |
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Just wins the metrop if it goes there.
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Lord Hybrow
Champion Joined: 05 Jul 2015 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 6683 |
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Next start?
Group 3 Premiers Cup 1900m at Rosehill in 3 weeks, perhaps? |
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scamanda
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Yes indeed. Well placed Lord Hybrow. In all sorts of trouble on the turn with Grimm actually showing some urgency. Once clear he was too good though. Very good horse.
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VOYAGER
Champion Joined: 03 Aug 2007 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 18737 |
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I will summon the soul of djebel here.
If they give him a European style prep, he could win the cups. As it is if they run him every fortnight he will be cooked by the time things hot up in Melbourne. I think his finish is better than Hartnell's |
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ThreeBears
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Gp 2 placed last prep in GB
With the bump you were wrong twice. All his Euro racing was in France for the master trainer Andre Fabre.
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Sunline
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Lovely stayer!
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Sunline...simply supreme
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correctweight
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Metrop at his mercy now. Then off to the Caul Cup.
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scamanda
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James Cummings may not get the chance to choose his path , and I agree with your Metrop - CC plan being his best option. Lightly weighted surely. But I remember Hartnell had the Caul Cup at his mercy and Godolphin decided to run him in the Cox Plate against Winx. It would be a shame.
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ThreeBears
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Why Metrop? Go to wfa in Melbourne, avoid any penalties and take an easy path to the CC.
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scamanda
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I'm looking at the likely weight for the Metrop. He'd have to get in light and it is a Group 1.
In the WFA races he'd be facing some serious horseflesh. With no weight advantage. |
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Second Chance
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Have no idea what path they'll take, however he's won at Listed level and run three placings at Group 2 level in the NH including a 2nd to Cracksman who's been hailed by more than a few as the best horse in the world.
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Lord Hybrow
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Plotting a course to the Spring Cups is always tricky.
Will be interesting to see where he runs next. I don’t mind the idea of the Newcastle Cup @ 2300m on the 14th Sept. Then hopefully winning that sees his rating high enough to go straight into the Caulfield Cup @ 2400m on 20th Oct. |
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ThreeBears
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Has to rate 105+ now so what weight is that for Metrop?
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ThreeBears
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And the 88 rating he carried from France was a joke.
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scamanda
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I don't know what rating he'd get, or what weight, or what race. But I will be following him.
I'd love to see him in Melb actually, but only because Grimm Scholfield would stay in Sydney.
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correctweight
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Newcastle Cup looks the next best option into the group 1s.
Why go through WFA when you can pick off the handicaps while you can. On this trajectory he'll be a WFA next season and will be weighted out of the winnable races now. |
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Second Chance
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Led to believe the winners of the following races are ballot exempt for the Caulfield Cup, irrespective of allotted weight.
Makybe Diva Stakes (1600m), Dato’Tan Chin Nam Stakes 1600m, Underwood Stakes 1800m , Naturalism Stakes (2000m) ,Turnbull Stakes (2000m), Herbert Power Stakes (2400m), Caulfield Stakes (2000m), and Mornington Cup (already run). Reckon he'll be down in Vic earlier rather than later. |
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ThreeBears
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Yes those races are why I think he'll come to Melbourne rather than Metrop or Newcastle.
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correctweight
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"Whether we go to the Kingston Town or the Newcastle Cup next, we’ll just wait and see how quickly he recovers and how far he wants to go next. We’ll nominate for the Metropolitan and I reckon he might be worthwhile nominating for
the Caulfield Cup too.” |
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correctweight
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Sorry that was said by James Cummings
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AdaHunta
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Haven't been as excited over a 2000m horse since Gingernuts !!
This is a serious horse .....
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Second Chance
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Correct. However it's not often advisable, even as trainer, to second guess Godolphin.
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