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crooked_gambler
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PLEASE SHARE How can I really help a farmer? Buy a bale will last a day. Do you really want to help, well go take a look at the drought affected towns. Load the kids, grab your partner and go take a look.You stay in a motel, eat some grub at the pub, dine in a cafe, fuel up in a small town and eat a pie. It will last longer than a buying a bale of hay. All small towns employ farmers, their kids or partners. Buy a pie it will last longer and keeps a town alive. The worst thing you can see in a country town is when all the shops and services close down that support those on the land because there is no money to go around. It is really the last straw Think hard about how you will donate. Go take a look, it will help so much. Is your car due for a service, well pick a town,ring and book it in. Take the drive,stay a night or two, eat at the pub, get a haircut, buy some clothes. That's the best donating you can make. |
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scamanda
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That's all pretty spot on crooked_gambler.
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I started with nothing and still have most of it left
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Dr E
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It's cruel to provide them with false hope.
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Dr E
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How can a downturn in the housing market be the fault of the banks? Just like climate (and everything else), the housing market is cyclical. ... so you are implying that if you chose to ignore history, you deserve to pay the price? Agreed!
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Dr E
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There's no downturn in energy demand macca ... and no downturn in the greed of AGL. Disappointing that they couldn't turn 100% of the renewable subsidies into profits though ... too many bonuses to be paid to executives and donations to be paid to GetUp and the other political parties ...
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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stayer
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Not downplaying the issue, isaac, or having a go at you. Just sick of seeing the media suddenly constantly going on about saving the farmers, when it's been a problem for ages.
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JudgeHolden
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Nothing at all to with lax lending practices... |
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Dr E
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No judge, nothing at all - don't believe what the FAKE NEWS says! It's a "property cycle", lending practices and default rates are consistent with what they have been for about the past 30 years, and there is no evidence to suggest that they have ever impacted on the numerous property market cycles that we have experienced in that time ... if anything, the current decline is due to irrational tightening of policy as a reaction to the scrutiny from the RC - it's far harder to get money now than it should be. ... and that's regardless of what Bullgelati Bill and the left leaning media would like people to think ... the ALP/Greens understanding of economics is limited to knowing that it is easy to get support when you demonise Banks and Big Business, anyone earning $80k a year is rich, and any individual who attempts to invest personally, to avoid being a future welfare dependent, should be heavily taxed to the point that they never again aspire to anything so evil ... and that's it. The main things that have affected the property cycles are of course supply and demand, and they are determined primarily by population growth, employment rates and interest rates. The Banking RC has absolutely verified and validated what we already knew - that our finance and banking industry, with it's stringent regulation, checks and balances, is one of the most robust and ethical in the world - we knew that by the way we survived the GFC. There are very few rogue operators in the industry, and there are a handful of their clients who "claim" to have been victims of unethical practices (many of them are simply victims of bad luck, or their own greed or stupidity). The incidences of poor or criminal lending practices are no more prevalent than similar indiscretions in any other industry, and in most cases the perpetrators have been caught and dealt with anyway.
It's like all of the drought events we have survived in the past 30-40 years (not to mention the 200 years before that!) - it's a cycle stupid! |
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Isaac soloman
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note away judge, its not worth an answer. same as you cant give an opinion, either way.
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JudgeHolden
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Or maybe to answer it is to expose you’re own hypocrisy. Noted |
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JudgeHolden
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“Your”...sorry Whale, wherever you are.
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JudgeHolden
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Ah, fake news again. You like saying “cycle”, don’t you Doc?
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JudgeHolden
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Bit hard to call it fake news when the banks have admitted to it.
https://www.google.com.au/amp/amp.abc.net.au/article/9698776 |
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JudgeHolden
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But don’t worry Doc. I’m sure these admissions are just a “ cycle”, and the banks will be back to lying their arses off sometime soon.
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Isaac soloman
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hypocrisy in what? if i'm a hypocrite, coming from you, is the pot calling the kettle black. that i dont have an opinion in/on everything? nah, too much of a mind f***. apart from yourself judge, and being a useless stirrer, what are your "pet" projects? Heartening to see the response from the Australian community, as a whole. However, the theme of THIS thread has borne some at tbv to be otherwise, less than community minded.
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JudgeHolden
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“Pet projects”??? What on earth are you dribbling about now?
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acacia alba
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Many farmers dont want big handouts. They just want help to be able to source and transport food and water to their stock, and a bit of a break with the endless bills and fees that go with that. Shooting your animals isnt much fun. I think some of the city experts are completely missing the point that fodder supplies are almost gone and its hard to get a few bales to feed the pet horse now, not to mention how much its gone up in the last 12 months. OMG I cant even begin to think what a semi load costs , and our area isnt half as bad as out west is. And when there is a supply it has to be transported, and those trucks dont run on the smell of an oily rag. The best hearted truckie still has to rego/insure/tyres/fuel his truck, and thats not cheap. Its the basics that farmers need help with. If kind hearted people see fit to throw in some extras for the wife and kids, thats good. All the Uni experts etc that are making suggestions about it just should get out there and have a look . Just like you cant get blood from a stone, you cant click your fingers and get rain, and without water it all comes to a stop, and this scene thats happening now doesnt just affect the farmer, it badly affects whole towns. Many others will go to the wall without the farming families money coming it to their buisness. The experts tell us we now have a popultion of 25 mill. How do we propose to feed them without farms to grow the food for us ? |
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animals before people.
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Isaac soloman
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Thought so, empty headed contributor is judge.
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Gay3
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Defying the drought: Farmers who have braced for the big dryMarty McCarthy and Aneeta Bhole, Sunday August 12, 2018 - 10:47 EST
There is a drought spreading across eastern Australia and it is severe, but it is not our worst. At least not yet. |
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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Gay3
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Why does Australia waste its recycled water when it could be used to irrigate food crops?Jess Davis, Saturday August 11, 2018 - 11:15 EST
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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furious
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One thing about this drought. Back in the early 1980's we were on a property bought in the hunter valley to supply fodder to two properties out Mudgee way which were is a pretty bad way with no water. It was a drought in the hunter but with irrigation from the river the small place feed the other two until the drought broke and they sold the place. This time the hunter is dry - much dryer that that drought.
We were in the hunter before the mines appeared. This was back in the day of dairies and horses and grapes vineyards (on a smaller area than today). I don't know but have the mines actually made it worst because of all the water they also need? Has a study been done into how the two practices can live better with each other without injuring the land and it's ability to jump back from the floods and droughts which affect us. Because this drought will break and when it does it will be a flood which will wash away any topsoil which the wind hasn't in the mean time.
Also yes farmers have to move with the times. But to make ends meet dairies have had to expand due to the less money for milk etc. Or do what relatives have done and gone into more butterfat production. In times of drought they can't just get rid of their herds. Most dairies are on pretty good viable land - they have to be for get the milk production. But even so the whole state is effected one way or another and yes feed is getting short even from other states which are not effected by drought at this present time. They have to also put aside some of what they are producing for the lean times which will come their way. So with all the good will in the world until we can sort out water problems to any area in Australia where agriculture is practiced this cycle will not stop. |
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scamanda
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One way that many graziers have turned to after being advised by their DPI is to instal fodder factories.
Using mainly barley for fodder matts is very productive if used right. But, with so much of the southern states already affected by the drought the fodder factories can't access enough barley for the stock. The larger buyers like feedlots get first option because they buy the most and are therefore the growers preferred customer. Lots of money invested (presumably wisely at first) and then the grazier is left with no grain and less money to buy other sources of feed. I saw one load turn up yesterday. The first one in 6 months. No idea where from though. It must be raining somewhere.
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I started with nothing and still have most of it left
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Dr E
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Just trying to educate you and the other morons judge - if you don't understand cycles, and you keep ignoring history, you will never understand anything.
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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scamanda
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The idea of keeping your stock in smaller paddocks for feeding and thereby relieving the pressure on the man grazing pastures is not a new idea. It was first used when I was in high school, and I'm now retired. The biggest drawback was that if for instance you kept your ewes for lambing in smaller compounds you got the following: 1. The pasture was rested. Big tick. 2. The grazier doesn't have to cover as much ground when feeding. Big tick. 3. Sheep droppings became a problem because the sheep had nowhere clean to lay down or to lamb. Big X. 4. In order to keep some areas clean enough the amount of time and money to remove the droppings made it less attractive. Big X. 5. With that amount of manure and urine to deal with it became less clean and therefore more likely to nurture parasites and germs. Big X. Feedlots with cattle get around it because they don't breed. They seem to be doing ok, looking from the outside that is.
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I started with nothing and still have most of it left
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scamanda
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Out west where the rainfall is always low the farmers and graziers haven't been sitting back on their hands as much as some people would have us believe.
Lazer leveling paddocks for pasture in areas that get low rainfall means there is less runoff. It's been happening now for a decade or so, maybe even longer for all I know. And it isn't cheap. This is being done with the floodplains as well. Using natural grasses which are more suited to the Australian outback environment the paddocks are producing much better yields. Unfortunately the really bad droughts are the ones that have seen no reasonable rise in river heights because of lucrative water allocations (Yes there it is again). Without the floodwater these paddocks don't get the soaking they used to get. It's not like the farmers just sit back and wait for rain while shooting their stock. They are on an endless hunt for new dryland farming practices that will bring in a dollar without having to rely on handouts.
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I started with nothing and still have most of it left
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Dr E
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Banking royal commission: Lax lending by banks could see our debt problem come crashing downMORE FAKE NEWS? Thanks judge! Hahahaha! ... are you seriously relying on the ABC for economic "opinions" (that's all this is)? ... you do recall them sacking "Emma the Pretend Economics Editor" because of her lack of basic economic knowledge? ... you seem to have obtained your own knowledge from the same Corn Flakes packet as she did! BTW, if you actually bothered to read that article, can you tell me WHO said or even implied that there was an imminent debt problem? ... you should recognise the bankers statements as simple deflection 101, straight out of CNNPT's play book. You would do well to just put this "The Sky is Falling!!!" headline, alongside all of the other politically motivated crap the ABC comes up with ... opinions that are constantly disproved, or simply never eventuate, shall we ... |
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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furious
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Also so much of the media bringing attention to the plight of the land being a tad late. It's better late than never. At least they have the power to get people aware who never ever step out of the city - so they just don't know.
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furious
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crooked gambler we did the same sort of thing after the last big fires through the mountains. The tourists stopped coming and businesses were hurting so we'd go up for a night and do some shopping and eating in different towns.
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Dr E
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Good! You're catching on judge! ... that's very satisfying for me, and justifies my perseverance with you!!
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Dr E
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... funny how these cycles and outcomes repeat themselves isn't it judge ... we see the same thing after the Unions RC ... they were all circumspect and promised vigilant compliance to the laws of the land ... didn't take them long to return to their criminal conduct, did it! ... it's a cycle stoopid!
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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