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    Posted: 25 Aug 2018 at 10:11am
Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

We need some kind of fund that has farmers paying into and insurance style set up during the good times ,    in preperation for the cyclical droughts.

I have numerous relatives on the land , cattle mainly , but over stock like you wouldn't believe in the wet times.    Overnight "millionaires".
NEVER learn tho ...     a long time since I saw a haystack anywhere.
One on every corner when I was a kid .

   Do we fund all the fruit and Vegetable shops when Coles and Woolies send them broke .      Just like they are doing to the Dairies now.

It will come from China.
Aus hasnt been exporting its dairy herd for nothing. China is insurance.
Same with the beef.
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Current ststus of Coolmore "auction"

5 hours ago

Day 2 - COOLMORE NOMINATIONS CHARITY AUCTION

PIERRO - $77,000 (Sheikh Mohammed Bin Khalifa Al Maktoum)

SO YOU THINK - $33,000 (Beau Investments)

RUBICK - $16,500 (Mike O’Donnell)

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We need some kind of fund that has farmers paying into and insurance style set up during the good times ,    in preperation for the cyclical droughts.

I have numerous relatives on the land , cattle mainly , but over stock like you wouldn't believe in the wet times.    Overnight "millionaires".
NEVER learn tho ...     a long time since I saw a haystack anywhere.
One on every corner when I was a kid .

   Do we fund all the fruit and Vegetable shops when Coles and Woolies send them broke .      Just like they are doing to the Dairies now.
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Have you seen that Coolmore are putting up 3 of their stallions for tender/bid ?  Money to be paid up front.  All funds to go to Buy A Bale.
Think the horses are Lonhro, SYT, and Rubik,,,might be wrong tho as cant recall what I heard re the 3 horses.
Last time they did that was after those terrible fires in Vic about 8/10 years ago, and EDL went to the Throsby Family, who put their mare Lovely Jubley to him, and the foal was Chataqua. 
A generous thing to do.   Lets hope Darley and Arrowfield will follow on.
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Never mind emus way out there in the sticks .     The Roos are moving in here, loking for a feed.  Poor things.  All animals need to eat, and the drought is driving the native wildlife to come into town, looking for a feed.     OMG,,,,,,,never hit a wombat.   Slow down,,swerve,,,just dont hit one.
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Broken Hill plagued by emus as they head into town in search of food, water

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-16/emus-take-over-broken-hill/10122430


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AV has been saying for weeks now that a big climatic shift is close. Apparently since the '16 Super Nino, the atmosphere & the oceans have been at loggerheads when they generally work in sync, hence forecasters the world over having trouble getting it even remotely right.
He stresses there's no El Nino on the cards & that POAMA, the BOMs' best model is the only one in agreement.
End of Aug, early Sept. is when he's been expecting the flip & apparently it's now in the process.
We can but hope for all the regions in dire straits that it comes to fruition shortly & that his Spring forecast of 'average' for the SE is on the mark.
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"And it has good rain in the SE and the Snowy Mountains. Later next week, the system closes in from the West, and if this set up can come off, it will be a well worth it with a big rain event.

But being so far out, moisture could do anything so will see what it does over the next few days.

Nothing for QLD yet, but that's also going to change within a couple of weeks, maybe in week 3, as moisture is now getting ready to swamp us from the North and East, and hopefully start producing much more favourable systems.

So its starting to come on, just need some luck now and we will see what this looks like later in the week."

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In fact, as I alerted you to the facts judge, the irony is that the artificial restrictions that ASIC and APRA have placed on lending - because they do not understand property market cycles and were wetting the bed over the Sydney property boom - will amplify the current correction we are experiencing. So anyone who owns property in Sydney, and has lost a few hundred grand in the value of their assets, can thank the bed wetters in the public service who don't know what they are doing because they are not old enough to have experienced a cycle ... none of which has anything to do with a "debt crisis", which doesn't even get a mention in that article, anywhere other than the ABC'c conflated headline. 
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Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

Bit hard to call it fake news when the banks have admitted to it.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/amp.abc.net.au/article/9698776

<h1 id="skip-to--ing" style="margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.25em; margin-left: 0px; padding: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; font-family: ABCSans, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; text-rendering: optimizeLegibility; line-height: 1.2em; letter-spacing: -1px; : rgb249, 249, 249;">Banking royal commission: Lax lending by banks <span style="font-weight: normal;">could</span>see our debt problem come crashing down</h1> 

MORE FAKE NEWS? Thanks judge!Clap

Hahahaha! ... are you seriously relying on the ABC for economic "opinions" (that's all this is)? ... you do recall them sacking "Emma the Pretend Economics Editor" because of her lack of basic economic knowledge? ... you seem to have obtained your own knowledge from the same Corn Flakes packet as she did!LOL

BTW, if you actually bothered to read that article, can you tell me WHO said or even implied that there was an imminent debt problem? ... you should recognise the bankers statements as simple deflection 101, straight out of CNNPT's play book.Embarrassed

You would do well to just put this "The Sky is Falling!!!" headline, alongside all of the other politically motivated crap the ABC comes up with ... opinions that are constantly disproved, or simply never eventuate, shall we ... Wink

 


So you don’t know what a “deflection” is either? We’ll add that to the list...


That's it?Embarrassed

Listen, why don't you just acknowledge that you are out of your depth on any of the serious non-virtue signalling subjects (and paddling hard with them!), and avoid further humiliation and embarrassment.Wink

I recommend that you re-read my comments ... you might retain some of the facts on the subject that way.Big smile


It’s pretty straightforward, you gibbering halfwit, so allow me to summarise:

RC to banks: “Did you employ dodgy lending practices?”

Banks: “Yep”

Now I’m not sure I can make it any simpler for you than that. You could cut and paste in pink I suppose.

But I think the problem runs deeper here, CK. You seem to be having another bitcoin, volcanoes or Gary Rohan moment here. That is, in your compulsion (presumably borne out of a desperate need for attention) to comment multiple times on anything and everything, it merely serves to reinforce the obvious- that is, across pretty much any topic you care to contribute, you hammer home the simple fact that you have no idea what you’re talking about.

Again, I'm just trying to help you out judge, because you don't understand.

I told you that lending practices are EXACTLY THE SAME as they have been for over 30 years ... you can describe them as "dodgy" if you wish, the RC's can do likewise, after all, it's their job ... so what? ... their practices haven't changed, and as much as the hand wringing virtue signalers at the ABC would like it, THERE IS NO DEBT CRISIS ... but it COULD happen, and if it did, it wouldn't be a result of mortgage lending practices, and it would have no effect on the property market that couldn't be explained as being a part of the normal cycle. 

No need to thank me, just stop spreading FAKE NEWS ya gullible dope!Wink
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Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

Bit hard to call it fake news when the banks have admitted to it.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/amp.abc.net.au/article/9698776

<h1 id="skip-to--ing" style="margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.25em; margin-left: 0px; padding: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; font-family: ABCSans, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; text-rendering: optimizeLegibility; line-height: 1.2em; letter-spacing: -1px; : rgb249, 249, 249;">Banking royal commission: Lax lending by banks <span style="font-weight: normal;">could</span>see our debt problem come crashing down</h1> 

MORE FAKE NEWS? Thanks judge!Clap

Hahahaha! ... are you seriously relying on the ABC for economic "opinions" (that's all this is)? ... you do recall them sacking "Emma the Pretend Economics Editor" because of her lack of basic economic knowledge? ... you seem to have obtained your own knowledge from the same Corn Flakes packet as she did!LOL

BTW, if you actually bothered to read that article, can you tell me WHO said or even implied that there was an imminent debt problem? ... you should recognise the bankers statements as simple deflection 101, straight out of CNNPT's play book.Embarrassed

You would do well to just put this "The Sky is Falling!!!" headline, alongside all of the other politically motivated crap the ABC comes up with ... opinions that are constantly disproved, or simply never eventuate, shall we ... Wink

 


So you don’t know what a “deflection” is either? We’ll add that to the list...


That's it?Embarrassed

Listen, why don't you just acknowledge that you are out of your depth on any of the serious non-virtue signalling subjects (and paddling hard with them!), and avoid further humiliation and embarrassment.Wink

I recommend that you re-read my comments ... you might retain some of the facts on the subject that way.Big smile


It’s pretty straightforward, you gibbering halfwit, so allow me to summarise:

RC to banks: “Did you employ dodgy lending practices?”

Banks: “Yep”

Now I’m not sure I can make it any simpler for you than that. You could cut and paste in pink I suppose.

But I think the problem runs deeper here, CK. You seem to be having another bitcoin, volcanoes or Gary Rohan moment here. That is, in your compulsion (presumably borne out of a desperate need for attention) to comment multiple times on anything and everything, it merely serves to reinforce the obvious- that is, across pretty much any topic you care to contribute, you hammer home the simple fact that you have no idea what you’re talking about.
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Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

Those in strife appear to have simply not planned for dry times, according to these farmers.
I found this extremely interesting & a refreshing change to all the doom n gloom stories.

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Why doesn't every business person just put their hand out when they fail to plan for adverse conditions that they know will historically affect their business ... you know, like when their tax bill comes in!

Surely it would be a good thing of we could just run appeals, and hold telethons for them all, shame people into giving them money, and provide them with far more regular opportunities to make themselves feel good about themselves!

It's almost as annoying as those people whose home burns down and they are crying in the street because they didn't have any insurance and good old ACA runs the story and they raise enough to build them a new house + a new car + a holiday for the whole family to Disneyland!!!

I hate those people!!! ... Why am I the idiot who paid my insurance every year, and never could afford to take my family to Disneyland ... because I spent so much money on insurances!!!Cry
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Originally posted by furious furious wrote:

Dr E it wasn't false.  It was replacing a tourist from England or USA who saw fires and thought the whole of the mountains were black so went to another place.  It happens.  I've a daughter who is a tour guide.  They have had a very good winter but usually have a quiet time.  So they take their holidays etc in that period.  Likewise you would find businesses who would work around the good and bad times.  But when a fire happens tourists think a fire a lithgow for instance means their holiday in Katoomba is not worthwhile so they cancel the trip and go to Queensland or Victoria ect.  You are just helping them keep going till people come back.

furious, you make a very good point - if the fire was a "one off", then yes, the assistance and actions that you suggest is valid.Thumbs Up

However, if those fires are a regular event, like droughts, then we are not addressing the problem.

If the root of the problem is ignored, and we are just throwing money at it for a short term fix, and hoping that history doesn't repeat, then we are mad - The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results.

Unfortunately, fires, like droughts, are regular in Australia, and have been for hundreds of thousands of years ... due to our climate, which has been consistent over that time as well!

It seems to me that as long as I can remember, we have had just as many "Bushfire Appeals" as "Drought Appeals" and similarly, the Government declaring them as "Disasters" and providing taxpayer funds to put a band aid on the devastating outcomes, that are a result of our leaders failure to plan.   

We do have the ability to manage these things, and spending the money will save money in time ... and coincidentally, it is the ALP/Greens Collusion who stand in the way of proper forest management and hazard reduction (a natural phenomenon anyway), just as they stand in the way of dams and irrigation ... the Socialist Lefties are all about big government intervention, and they are anti people, especially people who aspire to do better for themselves.

In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

Bit hard to call it fake news when the banks have admitted to it.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/amp.abc.net.au/article/9698776

<h1 id="skip-to--ing" style="margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.25em; margin-left: 0px; padding: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; font-family: ABCSans, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; text-rendering: optimizeLegibility; line-height: 1.2em; letter-spacing: -1px; : rgb249, 249, 249;">Banking royal commission: Lax lending by banks <span style="font-weight: normal;">could</span>see our debt problem come crashing down</h1> 

MORE FAKE NEWS? Thanks judge!Clap

Hahahaha! ... are you seriously relying on the ABC for economic "opinions" (that's all this is)? ... you do recall them sacking "Emma the Pretend Economics Editor" because of her lack of basic economic knowledge? ... you seem to have obtained your own knowledge from the same Corn Flakes packet as she did!LOL

BTW, if you actually bothered to read that article, can you tell me WHO said or even implied that there was an imminent debt problem? ... you should recognise the bankers statements as simple deflection 101, straight out of CNNPT's play book.Embarrassed

You would do well to just put this "The Sky is Falling!!!" headline, alongside all of the other politically motivated crap the ABC comes up with ... opinions that are constantly disproved, or simply never eventuate, shall we ... Wink

 


So you don’t know what a “deflection” is either? We’ll add that to the list...

That's it?Embarrassed

Listen, why don't you just acknowledge that you are out of your depth on any of the serious non-virtue signalling subjects (and paddling hard with them!), and avoid further humiliation and embarrassment.Wink

I recommend that you re-read my comments ... you might retain some of the facts on the subject that way.Big smile
In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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And we have often had holidays in the mountains - walking and eating and enjoying the scenery almost in our backyard.  We go up there to markets all the time also.  Daughter is up there creating money flow probably three times a week.  All good.
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Dr E it wasn't false.  It was replacing a tourist from England or USA who saw fires and thought the whole of the mountains were black so went to another place.  It happens.  I've a daughter who is a tour guide.  They have had a very good winter but usually have a quiet time.  So they take their holidays etc in that period.  Likewise you would find businesses who would work around the good and bad times.  But when a fire happens tourists think a fire a lithgow for instance means their holiday in Katoomba is not worthwhile so they cancel the trip and go to Queensland or Victoria ect.  You are just helping them keep going till people come back.
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Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

Bit hard to call it fake news when the banks have admitted to it.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/amp.abc.net.au/article/9698776

<h1 id="skip-to--ing" style="margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.25em; margin-left: 0px; padding: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; font-family: ABCSans, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; text-rendering: optimizeLegibility; line-height: 1.2em; letter-spacing: -1px; : rgb249, 249, 249;">Banking royal commission: Lax lending by banks <span style="font-weight: normal;">could</span>see our debt problem come crashing down</h1> 

MORE FAKE NEWS? Thanks judge!Clap

Hahahaha! ... are you seriously relying on the ABC for economic "opinions" (that's all this is)? ... you do recall them sacking "Emma the Pretend Economics Editor" because of her lack of basic economic knowledge? ... you seem to have obtained your own knowledge from the same Corn Flakes packet as she did!LOL

BTW, if you actually bothered to read that article, can you tell me WHO said or even implied that there was an imminent debt problem? ... you should recognise the bankers statements as simple deflection 101, straight out of CNNPT's play book.Embarrassed

You would do well to just put this "The Sky is Falling!!!" headline, alongside all of the other politically motivated crap the ABC comes up with ... opinions that are constantly disproved, or simply never eventuate, shall we ... Wink

 


So you don’t know what a “deflection” is either? We’ll add that to the list...
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Those in strife appear to have simply not planned for dry times, according to these farmers.
I found this extremely interesting & a refreshing change to all the doom n gloom stories.

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Originally posted by furious furious wrote:

crooked gambler we did the same sort of thing after the last big fires through the mountains.  The tourists stopped coming and businesses were hurting so we'd go up for a night and do some shopping and eating in different towns.

That's very cruel furious ... by doing that, you are just creating false economies - unless you intend doing that forever ... and then what happens to your own local businesses?

It's like subsidising a dying car manufacturing industry ... giving some short term money to encourage unsustainable business models (like farming in deserts without reliable irrigation) does nothing to help those people ... you are just setting them up for more disappointment and financial devastation.

All it does is makes you feel better, even though it's not your fault ... and if you can't artificially prop up every failing business in the country, how is it even fair?

Charles Darwin had it right.
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... funny how these cycles and outcomes repeat themselves isn't it judge ... we see the same thing after the Unions RC ... they were all circumspect and promised vigilant compliance to the laws of the land ... didn't take them long to return to their criminal conduct, did it! ... it's a cycle stoopid!Big smile
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Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

But don’t worry Doc. I’m sure these admissions are just a “ cycle”, and the banks will be back to lying their arses off sometime soon.

Good! You're catching on judge!Clap 

... that's very satisfying for me, and justifies my perseverance with you!!Thumbs Up
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crooked gambler we did the same sort of thing after the last big fires through the mountains.  The tourists stopped coming and businesses were hurting so we'd go up for a night and do some shopping and eating in different towns.
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Also so much of the media bringing attention to the plight of the land being a tad late.  It's better late than never.  At least they have the power to get people aware who never ever step out of the city - so they just don't know.  
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Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

Bit hard to call it fake news when the banks have admitted to it.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/amp.abc.net.au/article/9698776

Banking royal commission: Lax lending by banks could see our debt problem come crashing down

 

MORE FAKE NEWS? Thanks judge!Clap

Hahahaha! ... are you seriously relying on the ABC for economic "opinions" (that's all this is)? ... you do recall them sacking "Emma the Pretend Economics Editor" because of her lack of basic economic knowledge? ... you seem to have obtained your own knowledge from the same Corn Flakes packet as she did!LOL

BTW, if you actually bothered to read that article, can you tell me WHO said or even implied that there was an imminent debt problem? ... you should recognise the bankers statements as simple deflection 101, straight out of CNNPT's play book.Embarrassed

You would do well to just put this "The Sky is Falling!!!" headline, alongside all of the other politically motivated crap the ABC comes up with ... opinions that are constantly disproved, or simply never eventuate, shall we ... Wink

 
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Out west where the rainfall is always low the farmers and graziers haven't been sitting back on their hands as much as some people would have us believe.

Lazer leveling paddocks for pasture in areas that get low rainfall means there is less runoff. It's been happening now for a decade or so, maybe even longer for all I know.
And it isn't cheap.
This is being done with the floodplains as well. Using natural grasses which are more suited to the Australian outback environment the paddocks are producing much better yields. Unfortunately the really bad droughts are the ones that have seen no reasonable rise in river heights because of lucrative water allocations (Yes there it is again). Without the floodwater these paddocks don't get the soaking they used to get.

It's not like the farmers just sit back and wait for rain while shooting their stock.
They are on an endless hunt for new dryland farming practices that will bring in a dollar without having to rely on handouts.
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The idea of keeping your stock in smaller paddocks for feeding and thereby relieving the pressure on the man grazing pastures is not a new idea. It was first used when I was in high school, and I'm now retired.

The biggest drawback was that if for instance you kept your ewes for lambing in smaller compounds you got the following:
1. The pasture was rested. Big tick.
2. The grazier doesn't have to cover as much ground when feeding. Big tick.
3. Sheep droppings became a problem because the sheep had nowhere clean to lay down or to lamb. Big X.
4. In order to keep some areas clean enough the amount of time and money to remove the droppings made it less attractive. Big X.
5. With that amount of manure and urine to deal with it became less clean and therefore more likely to nurture parasites and germs. Big X.

Feedlots with cattle get around it because they don't breed.
They seem to be doing ok, looking from the outside that is.
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Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

Ah, fake news again. You like saying “cycle”, don’t you Doc?

Just trying to educate you and the other morons judge - if you don't understand cycles, and you keep ignoring history, you will never understand anything.Dead 
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One way that many graziers have turned to after being advised by their DPI is to instal fodder factories.
Using mainly barley for fodder matts is very productive if used right.
But, with so much of the southern states already affected by the drought the fodder factories can't access enough barley for the stock.

The larger buyers like feedlots get first option because they buy the most and are therefore the growers preferred customer.

Lots of money invested (presumably wisely at first) and then the grazier is left with no grain and less money to buy other sources of feed.

I saw one load turn up yesterday. The first one in 6 months. No idea where from though. It must be raining somewhere.
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One thing about this drought.  Back in the early 1980's we were on a property bought in the hunter valley to supply fodder to two properties out Mudgee way which were is a pretty bad way with no water.  It was a drought in the hunter but with irrigation from the river the small place feed the other two until the drought broke and they sold the place.  This time the hunter is dry - much dryer that that drought.  

We were in the hunter before the mines appeared.  This was back in the day of dairies and horses and grapes vineyards (on a smaller area than today).  I don't know but have the mines actually made it worst because of all the water they also need?  Has a study been done into how the two practices can live better with each other without injuring the land and it's ability to jump back from the floods and droughts which affect us.  Because this drought will break and when it does it will be a flood which will wash away any topsoil which the wind hasn't in the mean time.  

Also yes farmers have to move with the times.  But to make ends meet dairies have had to expand due to the less money for milk etc.  Or do what relatives have done and gone into more butterfat production.  In times of drought they can't just get rid of their herds.  Most dairies are on pretty good viable land - they have to be for get the milk production.  But even so the whole state is effected one way or another and yes feed is getting short even from other states which are not effected by drought at this present time.  They have to also put aside some of what they are producing for the lean times which will come their way.

So with all the good will in the world until we can sort out water problems to any area in Australia where agriculture is practiced this cycle will not stop.
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Why does Australia waste its recycled water when it could be used to irrigate food crops?

Jess Davis, Saturday August 11, 2018 - 11:15 EST


Vegetable grower Marco Mason started using recycled water during the Millennium drought in the early 2000s, when his farm at Werribee west of Melbourne ran out of water.

"We liked the idea of recycled water but at the same time we had no choice, we had the choice of not signing up to recycled water and having to stop planting," he said.

When the drought was over, Mr Mason said he was still reliant on that water.

"I was adamant after the first drought period that we wouldn't need recycled water at all," he said.

"And I was wrong.

"The drought continues, the shortage of rain continues, the weir does not fill up, so we're reliant on recycled water."



A better use?

Research from the University of Melbourne's Foodprint project found that 84 per cent of Melbourne's recycled water was pumped out to sea.

Mr Mason said that water should be used for more schemes like the one at Werribee.

"It's available, it's there, it's only a matter of investing money towards it," he said.

"Does that mean that the government invests that money? Yeah I think the government should be investing money."

On the other side of Melbourne, on the Mornington Peninsula, avocado grower Steven Marshall said he is desperate to get his hands on recycled water.



"It might look green, this season we've had a little bit of rain but our dams still aren't filling," he said.

"We're going to be going right down to the nail."

Just down the road, a pipeline from the Melbourne Water's Eastern Treatment plant is pumping 350 million litres of Class A recycled water out to sea every day.

That quality of water is good enough to irrigate Mr Marshall's crops.

"That's just not being used "” mostly because it can't be seen," Mr Marshall said.

"It's in an underground pipeline "” and if people could see it I reckon it would have got used by now."

Mr Marshall was working with the local council to get a project off the ground that would see that water delivered to farmers.



Mornington Shire Mayor Bryan Payne said it is a disgrace to be wasting so much usable water.

"What we want to do is distribute it across the whole peninsula so we can drought proof the place, we can use it for higher agriculture," he said.

"It should be a bi-partisan type exercise, it's a no-brainer, both Federal and State Governments should fund it to get the infrastructure, to get it up."

That is already happening in South Australia where the Virginia Pipeline Scheme, north of Adelaide had the biggest recycled water program in the country.

It was set up in 1999 and is set for a major expansion with both state and federal funding.

Too expensive

Anne-Maree Boland, an agricultural and environmental consultant, said that recycled water schemes do not often get over the line because they are too expensive.

"One of the problems is you need to move it from where its produced which is often in major cities, to where the agriculture is," Dr Boland said.

"So peri-urban agriculture is a really good use of recycled water but it needs to be moved to those areas."

Funding for pipelines is needed to transport this water, but it comes at a high price, including the cost of electricity used to move it.



The closer farmland is to a city, the cheaper it will be.

Feasibility studies are currently underway in Sydney and on the Darling Downs in Queensland but Dr Boland said business plans do not take into account less tangible benefits.

"We don't consider some of the other benefits such as environmental benefits and the fact we're freeing up another water source," she said.

And Dr Boland said there tended to be a lot of interest in recycled water when we are in the grips of drought, but it is often forgotten later once the rains come.

"But we should be really thinking about the future and drought proofing ourselves," she said.

"So looking at the best sources of water for different purposes."


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Defying the drought: Farmers who have braced for the big dry

Marty McCarthy and Aneeta Bhole, Sunday August 12, 2018 - 10:47 EST

There is a drought spreading across eastern Australia and it is severe, but it is not our worst. At least not yet.



There are two major droughts which are stuck in the Australian psyche.

The 1895 to 1902 Federation Drought, during which the Darling and Murray Rivers ran dry. And the Millennium Drought, which ran from late 1996 to mid-2010 and severely affected most southern cropping areas.

In southern parts of Australia, droughts of the late 20th and early 21st centuries have been found to be the worst in the past 400 years, and experts predict they will become more prevalent in the future.

For some farmers, the millennium drought was a turning point, where they realised that if they wanted to keep farming in Australia, they needed to embrace rather than battle an often unpredictable climate.



Spending money when there is none

In NSW's Central West, farmers Laurie and John Chaffey have seen and read the stories about farmers in drought shooting starving livestock that they can't afford to feed.

The Chaffeys don't ever want to be in that position, and that meant being prepared for this drought, and future ones.

"We have never considered [culling], it's not something that we'd do, and it's not really a good outcome we feel for our industry at all," Ms Chaffey said.

They are reducing their cattle herd by half, and instead focusing on looking after their ewes, which is critical given they are all about to lamb.



Cash flow is low at the moment, but the Chaffey's are investing in building "drought lots", small pens where the mothers can give birth and still have access to plenty of food and water.

"You have got to have ewes in a good condition that they want to stay with the lamb and not toddle off where it's dropped," Mr Chaffey said.

"The lots will increase our lamb survival, so at the end we'll hopefully have a good lambing percentage, and we'll protect the ewes with good nutrition."

"It's our way of managing this drought, it's something we have been thinking about doing for a long time but have never done in our 40 years of farming," Mr Chaffey said.

Keeping all their sheep in drought lots, rather than in the paddocks, means the pasture will grow back faster when it rains.

It also means the Chaffeys don't have to sell as much stock, which will help them bounce back quicker when the drought breaks. Their sheep stocking rate is high, despite the drought, at 80 per cent.



The Chaffeys' livestock nutritionist, Nikki Henderson, says she wants to see more farmers in drought affected areas plan ahead, to avoid having animals starving in paddocks.

"This is definitely [an] uncommon thing for this area but it's great what the Chaffeys are doing. I've spent a lot of time in Victoria and South Australia and other areas and I see a lot more people setting up this sort of drought lotting infrastructure for lambing and drought feeding," she said.

In addition to the new drought lots, the Chaffeys also have two sheds full of hay, and three years ago installed silos to store grain, as well as grain they wrapped in plastic and buried 20 years ago.

"Every drought is different and it is all about compromise and adjustment, the further you get the further you need to think about how you can prepare next," Mr Chaffey said.



Ms Henderson, who has clients all through the Central West, said many people are still holding out for rain, rather than putting a long-term feeding strategy in place.

"There are people out there that I'm going to see who you set up with plans and talk about costs to feed through calving and they are still sitting back waiting and not planning ahead far enough to budget those feeds," she said.

Heidi Austin, a district vet with North West Local Land Services, said it can be difficult for farmers faced with the stress and pressure of drought to forward plan. They are just trying to get by day to day.

"I don't know how people are making decisions but they have to make decisions and often they are really hard decisions to make about what to sell, what to buy, when to keep going, when to stop, and seeking out options for when they stop," she said.

"They are feeding animals and it's hard work and physically hard, and my heart just goes out to people in trouble who have animals in trouble from these situations.

"You see it in their eyes, they are doing their hardest to do the right thing and whatever they are doing does not come with a good outcome."

On the positive side of the climate

Some farmers have been through droughts before and know that feeling well. They are desperate to avoid it this time around.

"The main reason we did what we did in our business and as a family was to never ever feel that feeling of hopelessness," Yeoval sheep producer Nigel Kerin said.

After the millennium drought, Mr Kerin decided to modify his business, to take advantage of unpredictable climates and rainfall patterns.

"What we learnt from the droughts in the 1980s and 2000s is that if you flog the living daylights out of your landscape while you are in a dry period, the grass you grow once you come back into average rainfall is bugger all," he said.



He lets his pastures rest by reducing most of his livestock. Currently he only has 20 per cent of his usual herd.

Instead, he "flogs it" when it rains. That doesn't necessarily mean waiting for autumn or winter. It means waiting for rainfall, regardless of what time of year it comes.

"You don't try to make money when it's dry, you set yourself up for when the dry breaks," Mr Kerin said.

Mr Kerin has built this business model around the concept of climate variability, which from a rainfall perspective, refers to how rainfall totals fluctuate above or below the long-term average over time.

Simply put, it means he doesn't expect a certain amount of rain at a certain time of year anymore.

"If it is a drought it's been going for a while. So I don't think it's a drought. I think it's climate variability. It's influxes of rain then extensive periods without it," he said.

"It seems that with climate variability in this district "” and the east coast of Australia "” that we get massive dumps of rain that last for one month, then it takes off and leaves us for four or five months at a time.

"If you can build a business model that fits with climate variability, and matching stocking rate to carrying capacity, you are setting yourself up to be on the positive side of this climate and not on the negative."

Mr Kerin also breeds a type of faster maturing sheep, which means he can grow more animals in a shorter time, to take advantage of any sudden rainfall whenever he gets it.

"They can reproduce at a younger age and it also allows us to sell the wether lambs quicker than what we used to," he said.



"The animals put on weight quicker, which if you've matched stocking rate to capacity, means you've got them at a saleable weight a lot quicker, before the season turns on you again."

As state and federal governments tinker away on policies to encourage farmers to prepare for drought, Mr Kerin says the push should come from farmers themselves.

"It's not so much about what governments can do. It's about if you want to change, if the need for change inside of you is enough to make you want to build a better future," he said.

"The adaption part. You have to tip out everything you know and re-establish a new paradigm of how to do business."

Grass growth and green days

Grazier Ardie Lord from Sutherland Station in north west Queensland doesn't like to use the word drought, even though he's technically been in one for five years.

This year he's only had half his annual rainfall - which he refers to as a "light year" - but he looks for the positives in it.



Mr Lord uses grazing charts to plan 12 months in advance. If he doesn't think he has enough grass to feed his current herd through to the next wet season, he begins to destock.

"The upside of a light year is production is higher [than a dry year] and weight gain per kilogram is higher, you've just got to run less animals," he said.

Currently, he's running around 40 per cent of his usual stock, and says that is "very fortunate" compared to many in north west Queensland. Some have destocked completely.

Critical to his forward planning is making sure he has enough pasture to feed his cattle until the next "green date". It is the date most likely to bring the next amount of decent rainfall "” for Sutherland Station that is around February. It is based on historical records when there is an 80 per cent chance of the wet season starting.

"The first job we have each year is to make sure we're going to see through to the next green date, and adjust our stocking rate to our current capacity accordingly," he said.



The stress during drought often comes from trying to maintain a large herd size, even if they don't have the pasture to feed it.

"If we are having a light year and we're running the appropriate amount of animals it's pretty stress-free," Mr Lord said.

He cautioned farmers against letting their livestock get skinny, to a point they can't be sold.

"It's risky because that's our cashflow and that's our future, so if the animals are losing weight it means we're losing cashflow," he said.

"If we have got the courage to sell them before they get skinny, it's much better to put the money in the bank than hold it.

"As long as they are healthy and can be trucked then there's good value in them."

Carbon farmers capitalise on climate

There's a new category of farming that is helping a lucky few defy the drought in a unique way.

Rather than relying on cattle and sheep for an income, Bourke farmer Michael Marshman makes money off letting trees grow. He's a carbon farmer.



"Trees are fairly resilient so they continue to grow even when rainfall is deficient, but with livestock we all know once it gets dry the money also dries up," Mr Marshman said.

Carbon farming for Mr Marshman means letting mulga regrow in paddocks where grass once did, and sheep used to graze. He can keep the cattle, because they don't pose a threat to the mulga.



The mulga stores carbon, and the Federal Government buys that storage space off him, through the Clean Energy Regulator, in a bid to reduce Australia's overall greenhouse gas emissions.

"I would hate to think what sort of position we'd be in if we didn't have the regular income stream from the carbon farming," Mr Marshman said.



Geoff Dunstan, a grazier from Cunnamulla in Queensland, who has also turned to carbon farming, agrees.

"In a drought you're usually going backwards financially and rapidly working flat out, but at least being in the carbon trade you've got income coming in over that bad period," Mr Dunstan said.

"It is hundreds of thousands of dollars we would not be making in a drought, so it's a real positive in a drought situation."

Not every farmer can go into carbon farming "” it only works with certain vegetation types.

Mr Marshman is re-investing the carbon farming money into other agriculture projects, to help make his business more drought tolerant.

He has bought a small property north of Bourke on the Darling River, where there is a reliable water supply.



"We've moved a percentage of our cattle there to feed them, it's a lot easier to manage a smaller acreage when feeding livestock," Mr Marshman said.

He's also bought a third property at Narromine in NSW "” it is insurance against drought, but also any potential collapse in the carbon farming sector.

"We have a property in a higher rainfall area now, and when it's dry here we can move livestock there, and we have gone for more livestock properties so we aren't just reliant on the carbon farming," he said.

"You never know when the next drought will hit you, so be prepared, invest in infrastructure that helps you be a bit more resilient in dry times that are not expected."

You can see the story on Landline on ABC TV at 12:30pm or on iview.


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