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Isaac soloman
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It will come from China. Aus hasnt been exporting its dairy herd for nothing. China is insurance. Same with the beef.
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horlicks
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Current ststus of Coolmore "auction" 5 hours ago
Day 2 - COOLMORE NOMINATIONS CHARITY AUCTION PIERRO - $77,000 (Sheikh Mohammed Bin Khalifa Al Maktoum) SO YOU THINK - $33,000 (Beau Investments) RUBICK - $16,500 (Mike O’Donnell) |
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maccamax
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We need some kind of fund that has farmers paying into and insurance style set up during the good times , in preperation for the cyclical droughts.
I have numerous relatives on the land , cattle mainly , but over stock like you wouldn't believe in the wet times. Overnight "millionaires". NEVER learn tho ... a long time since I saw a haystack anywhere. One on every corner when I was a kid . Do we fund all the fruit and Vegetable shops when Coles and Woolies send them broke . Just like they are doing to the Dairies now. |
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acacia alba
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Have you seen that Coolmore are putting up 3 of their stallions for tender/bid ? Money to be paid up front. All funds to go to Buy A Bale. Think the horses are Lonhro, SYT, and Rubik,,,might be wrong tho as cant recall what I heard re the 3 horses. Last time they did that was after those terrible fires in Vic about 8/10 years ago, and EDL went to the Throsby Family, who put their mare Lovely Jubley to him, and the foal was Chataqua. A generous thing to do. Lets hope Darley and Arrowfield will follow on.
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animals before people.
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acacia alba
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Never mind emus way out there in the sticks . The Roos are moving in here, loking for a feed. Poor things. All animals need to eat, and the drought is driving the native wildlife to come into town, looking for a feed. OMG,,,,,,,never hit a wombat. Slow down,,swerve,,,just dont hit one.
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animals before people.
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Isaac soloman
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Broken Hill plagued by emus as they head into town in search of food, waterhttp://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-16/emus-take-over-broken-hill/10122430 A new team has flocked onto Lamb Oval to show the rugby league players how it’s done. £🤗 It could make for an interesting competition if the EMUS register a team next year. 🏆👏🏻 #emu #outbackrugbyleague #wildlife #allingoodfun 📷 Paul Brown |
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Gay3
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AV has been saying for weeks now that a big climatic shift is close. Apparently since the '16 Super Nino, the atmosphere & the oceans have been at loggerheads when they generally work in sync, hence forecasters the world over having trouble getting it even remotely right.
He stresses there's no El Nino on the cards & that POAMA, the BOMs' best model is the only one in agreement. End of Aug, early Sept. is when he's been expecting the flip & apparently it's now in the process. We can but hope for all the regions in dire straits that it comes to fruition shortly & that his Spring forecast of 'average' for the SE is on the mark. Tonight:
"And it has good rain in the SE and the Snowy Mountains. Later next week, the system closes in from the West, and if this set up can come off, it will be a well worth it with a big rain event. But being so far out, moisture could do anything so will see what it does over the next few days. Nothing for QLD yet, but that's also going to change within a couple of weeks, maybe in week 3, as moisture is now getting ready to swamp us from the North and East, and hopefully start producing much more favourable systems. So its starting to come on, just need some luck now and we will see what this looks like later in the week." |
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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Dr E
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In fact, as I alerted you to the facts judge, the irony is that the artificial restrictions that ASIC and APRA have placed on lending - because they do not understand property market cycles and were wetting the bed over the Sydney property boom - will amplify the current correction we are experiencing. So anyone who owns property in Sydney, and has lost a few hundred grand in the value of their assets, can thank the bed wetters in the public service who don't know what they are doing because they are not old enough to have experienced a cycle ... none of which has anything to do with a "debt crisis", which doesn't even get a mention in that article, anywhere other than the ABC'c conflated headline.
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Dr E
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Again, I'm just trying to help you out judge, because you don't understand. I told you that lending practices are EXACTLY THE SAME as they have been for over 30 years ... you can describe them as "dodgy" if you wish, the RC's can do likewise, after all, it's their job ... so what? ... their practices haven't changed, and as much as the hand wringing virtue signalers at the ABC would like it, THERE IS NO DEBT CRISIS ... but it COULD happen, and if it did, it wouldn't be a result of mortgage lending practices, and it would have no effect on the property market that couldn't be explained as being a part of the normal cycle. No need to thank me, just stop spreading FAKE NEWS ya gullible dope!
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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JudgeHolden
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It’s pretty straightforward, you gibbering halfwit, so allow me to summarise: RC to banks: “Did you employ dodgy lending practices?” Banks: “Yep” Now I’m not sure I can make it any simpler for you than that. You could cut and paste in pink I suppose. But I think the problem runs deeper here, CK. You seem to be having another bitcoin, volcanoes or Gary Rohan moment here. That is, in your compulsion (presumably borne out of a desperate need for attention) to comment multiple times on anything and everything, it merely serves to reinforce the obvious- that is, across pretty much any topic you care to contribute, you hammer home the simple fact that you have no idea what you’re talking about. |
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Dr E
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Why doesn't every business person just put their hand out when they fail to plan for adverse conditions that they know will historically affect their business ... you know, like when their tax bill comes in! Surely it would be a good thing of we could just run appeals, and hold telethons for them all, shame people into giving them money, and provide them with far more regular opportunities to make themselves feel good about themselves! It's almost as annoying as those people whose home burns down and they are crying in the street because they didn't have any insurance and good old ACA runs the story and they raise enough to build them a new house + a new car + a holiday for the whole family to Disneyland!!! I hate those people!!! ... Why am I the idiot who paid my insurance every year, and never could afford to take my family to Disneyland ... because I spent so much money on insurances!!!
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Dr E
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furious, you make a very good point - if the fire was a "one off", then yes, the assistance and actions that you suggest is valid. However, if those fires are a regular event, like droughts, then we are not addressing the problem. If the root of the problem is ignored, and we are just throwing money at it for a short term fix, and hoping that history doesn't repeat, then we are mad - The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results. Unfortunately, fires, like droughts, are regular in Australia, and have been for hundreds of thousands of years ... due to our climate, which has been consistent over that time as well! It seems to me that as long as I can remember, we have had just as many "Bushfire Appeals" as "Drought Appeals" and similarly, the Government declaring them as "Disasters" and providing taxpayer funds to put a band aid on the devastating outcomes, that are a result of our leaders failure to plan. We do have the ability to manage these things, and spending the money will save money in time ... and coincidentally, it is the ALP/Greens Collusion who stand in the way of proper forest management and hazard reduction (a natural phenomenon anyway), just as they stand in the way of dams and irrigation ... the Socialist Lefties are all about big government intervention, and they are anti people, especially people who aspire to do better for themselves. |
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Dr E
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That's it? Listen, why don't you just acknowledge that you are out of your depth on any of the serious non-virtue signalling subjects (and paddling hard with them!), and avoid further humiliation and embarrassment. I recommend that you re-read my comments ... you might retain some of the facts on the subject that way.
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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furious
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And we have often had holidays in the mountains - walking and eating and enjoying the scenery almost in our backyard. We go up there to markets all the time also. Daughter is up there creating money flow probably three times a week. All good.
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furious
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Dr E it wasn't false. It was replacing a tourist from England or USA who saw fires and thought the whole of the mountains were black so went to another place. It happens. I've a daughter who is a tour guide. They have had a very good winter but usually have a quiet time. So they take their holidays etc in that period. Likewise you would find businesses who would work around the good and bad times. But when a fire happens tourists think a fire a lithgow for instance means their holiday in Katoomba is not worthwhile so they cancel the trip and go to Queensland or Victoria ect. You are just helping them keep going till people come back.
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JudgeHolden
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So you don’t know what a “deflection” is either? We’ll add that to the list... |
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Gay3
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Those in strife appear to have simply not planned for dry times, according to these farmers. I found this extremely interesting & a refreshing change to all the doom n gloom stories. Landline |
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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Dr E
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That's very cruel furious ... by doing that, you are just creating false economies - unless you intend doing that forever ... and then what happens to your own local businesses? It's like subsidising a dying car manufacturing industry ... giving some short term money to encourage unsustainable business models (like farming in deserts without reliable irrigation) does nothing to help those people ... you are just setting them up for more disappointment and financial devastation. All it does is makes you feel better, even though it's not your fault ... and if you can't artificially prop up every failing business in the country, how is it even fair? Charles Darwin had it right.
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Dr E
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... funny how these cycles and outcomes repeat themselves isn't it judge ... we see the same thing after the Unions RC ... they were all circumspect and promised vigilant compliance to the laws of the land ... didn't take them long to return to their criminal conduct, did it! ... it's a cycle stoopid!
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Dr E
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Good! You're catching on judge! ... that's very satisfying for me, and justifies my perseverance with you!!
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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furious
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crooked gambler we did the same sort of thing after the last big fires through the mountains. The tourists stopped coming and businesses were hurting so we'd go up for a night and do some shopping and eating in different towns.
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furious
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Also so much of the media bringing attention to the plight of the land being a tad late. It's better late than never. At least they have the power to get people aware who never ever step out of the city - so they just don't know.
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Dr E
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Banking royal commission: Lax lending by banks could see our debt problem come crashing downMORE FAKE NEWS? Thanks judge! Hahahaha! ... are you seriously relying on the ABC for economic "opinions" (that's all this is)? ... you do recall them sacking "Emma the Pretend Economics Editor" because of her lack of basic economic knowledge? ... you seem to have obtained your own knowledge from the same Corn Flakes packet as she did! BTW, if you actually bothered to read that article, can you tell me WHO said or even implied that there was an imminent debt problem? ... you should recognise the bankers statements as simple deflection 101, straight out of CNNPT's play book. You would do well to just put this "The Sky is Falling!!!" headline, alongside all of the other politically motivated crap the ABC comes up with ... opinions that are constantly disproved, or simply never eventuate, shall we ... |
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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scamanda
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Out west where the rainfall is always low the farmers and graziers haven't been sitting back on their hands as much as some people would have us believe.
Lazer leveling paddocks for pasture in areas that get low rainfall means there is less runoff. It's been happening now for a decade or so, maybe even longer for all I know. And it isn't cheap. This is being done with the floodplains as well. Using natural grasses which are more suited to the Australian outback environment the paddocks are producing much better yields. Unfortunately the really bad droughts are the ones that have seen no reasonable rise in river heights because of lucrative water allocations (Yes there it is again). Without the floodwater these paddocks don't get the soaking they used to get. It's not like the farmers just sit back and wait for rain while shooting their stock. They are on an endless hunt for new dryland farming practices that will bring in a dollar without having to rely on handouts.
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I started with nothing and still have most of it left
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scamanda
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The idea of keeping your stock in smaller paddocks for feeding and thereby relieving the pressure on the man grazing pastures is not a new idea. It was first used when I was in high school, and I'm now retired. The biggest drawback was that if for instance you kept your ewes for lambing in smaller compounds you got the following: 1. The pasture was rested. Big tick. 2. The grazier doesn't have to cover as much ground when feeding. Big tick. 3. Sheep droppings became a problem because the sheep had nowhere clean to lay down or to lamb. Big X. 4. In order to keep some areas clean enough the amount of time and money to remove the droppings made it less attractive. Big X. 5. With that amount of manure and urine to deal with it became less clean and therefore more likely to nurture parasites and germs. Big X. Feedlots with cattle get around it because they don't breed. They seem to be doing ok, looking from the outside that is.
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I started with nothing and still have most of it left
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Dr E
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Just trying to educate you and the other morons judge - if you don't understand cycles, and you keep ignoring history, you will never understand anything.
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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scamanda
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One way that many graziers have turned to after being advised by their DPI is to instal fodder factories.
Using mainly barley for fodder matts is very productive if used right. But, with so much of the southern states already affected by the drought the fodder factories can't access enough barley for the stock. The larger buyers like feedlots get first option because they buy the most and are therefore the growers preferred customer. Lots of money invested (presumably wisely at first) and then the grazier is left with no grain and less money to buy other sources of feed. I saw one load turn up yesterday. The first one in 6 months. No idea where from though. It must be raining somewhere.
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I started with nothing and still have most of it left
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furious
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One thing about this drought. Back in the early 1980's we were on a property bought in the hunter valley to supply fodder to two properties out Mudgee way which were is a pretty bad way with no water. It was a drought in the hunter but with irrigation from the river the small place feed the other two until the drought broke and they sold the place. This time the hunter is dry - much dryer that that drought.
We were in the hunter before the mines appeared. This was back in the day of dairies and horses and grapes vineyards (on a smaller area than today). I don't know but have the mines actually made it worst because of all the water they also need? Has a study been done into how the two practices can live better with each other without injuring the land and it's ability to jump back from the floods and droughts which affect us. Because this drought will break and when it does it will be a flood which will wash away any topsoil which the wind hasn't in the mean time.
Also yes farmers have to move with the times. But to make ends meet dairies have had to expand due to the less money for milk etc. Or do what relatives have done and gone into more butterfat production. In times of drought they can't just get rid of their herds. Most dairies are on pretty good viable land - they have to be for get the milk production. But even so the whole state is effected one way or another and yes feed is getting short even from other states which are not effected by drought at this present time. They have to also put aside some of what they are producing for the lean times which will come their way. So with all the good will in the world until we can sort out water problems to any area in Australia where agriculture is practiced this cycle will not stop. |
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Why does Australia waste its recycled water when it could be used to irrigate food crops?Jess Davis, Saturday August 11, 2018 - 11:15 EST
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Gay3
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Defying the drought: Farmers who have braced for the big dryMarty McCarthy and Aneeta Bhole, Sunday August 12, 2018 - 10:47 EST
There is a drought spreading across eastern Australia and it is severe, but it is not our worst. At least not yet. |
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