Go to Villagebet.com.au for free horse racing tips - Click here now |
|
RNSW 2018 Initiatives |
Post Reply | Page 123> |
Author | ||
3blindmice
Champion Joined: 22 Oct 2012 Status: Offline Points: 18105 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Posted: 18 Jul 2018 at 12:27pm |
|
Just being announced. Prizemoney increases (down to 10th) etc resulting from tax parity increase
http://www.skyracing.com.au/index.php?component=content&Itemid=114&id=96/
Big news for country training. The Kosciuszko - a 1200m $1.28+M dollar race on Everest day. $5 Sweepstake to be held in conjunction with the race. 250,000 tickets - 12 "slots" (that word again) for lucky ticketholders. Edited by Gay3 - 18 Jul 2018 at 4:57pm |
||
3blindmice
Champion Joined: 22 Oct 2012 Status: Offline Points: 18105 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
3blindmice
Champion Joined: 22 Oct 2012 Status: Offline Points: 18105 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
"The [$1.3M] Kosciuszko race will be run over 1200m and will be run at set weights and penalties,
with eligibility restricted to horses trained in Country NSW as at 18 July 2018."
Danny Williams and others are picking their lips as we speak
|
||
rem286
Champion Joined: 17 Mar 2015 Status: Offline Points: 767 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Provincials get a good boost in the 4th-10th prize money so even more city horses will smash the provincial circuit. Country, in addition the Highways now have a million dollar plus race. The way I see it, Provincial trainers/Owners have missed out again.
|
||
Batman
Champion Joined: 22 Jan 2018 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 2287 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Racing NSW say that they want to spread the money around. How about restricting trainers to having no more than 60 horses in work at one time. Would stop big stables stacking fields, allow smaller trainers to build up teams and give more people a bit of the cake.
Do not think it is good for owners or punters for trainers to have hundreds of horses, and not even see some of their own horses. |
||
“Gambling has brought our family closer together. We had to move to a smaller house.”
|
||
Speediskey
Champion Joined: 19 Feb 2014 Status: Offline Points: 4116 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Why is it good to lower the standard of racing? The big trainers get more horses because they are better. By restricting things you are literally just making racing worse in the country.
|
||
3blindmice
Champion Joined: 22 Oct 2012 Status: Offline Points: 18105 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Prov trainers/owners can always continue to raid country races if it's a real problem. Some interesting numbers were thrown up during the presser. (From memory) Prizemoney across the board is up 175% while prizemoney in some areas is double what it was a few years ago. Extension of the additional prizemoney to 10th will see jockeys earning ~$350 per ride. Puts many in a rarefied income bracket.
|
||
Atreus
Champion Joined: 25 Nov 2014 Status: Offline Points: 329 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Totally agree Batman Limit total stable numbers and also limit number of stable entries per race as they do in Formula One, Tour de France, the Olympics etc etc. HKJC also have a stable limit and everyone always says they are the best Limiting stable numbers is the best and fairest way to spread the pie. Paying more prizemoney to run 10th just encourages more horses to run 10th rather than win |
||
rem286
Champion Joined: 17 Mar 2015 Status: Offline Points: 767 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Might as well send the horses to be trained in the country and get all of the benefits of a country horse if that is the case, which I suspect a lot of people may do. Hence, the provincial trainer will suffer.
Country horses get restricted Country maidens, Highway races, this new million dollar race in addition to the Country Championships and being able to compete in the Provincial/Country maidens. The only stand alone Provincial incentive is the championships. So you get to compete agains the likes of Kris Lees etc who in effect should be operating on a City permit given the size of their operations. I would like to see some sort of incentive for the provincials to keep them in the game. Maybe a bonus scheme like Canberra have with The Federal. Pick a race each week with a bonus for the first 5 Provincial horses across the line.
|
||
Underground
Champion Joined: 18 Aug 2012 Location: Sydn Status: Offline Points: 683 |
Post Options
Thanks(1)
|
|
tbh Hong Kong racing couldn't be more incomparable to Australian racing than it currently is. the stable limit works there because it is a completely different game
|
||
rem286
Champion Joined: 17 Mar 2015 Status: Offline Points: 767 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
I don't think we need an overall stable limit per trainer but I think there should be a limit on how many horses you can have to be classed as a country or provincial trainer.
If people want to spend $200 odd a day for Waller and believe that of the 1000 or so horses on his books that he is actually training their horse, good luck to them.
|
||
Batman
Champion Joined: 22 Jan 2018 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 2287 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Have to disagree there. There are many 20 horse trainers as good as the big names. Most big stables are run by good small trainers running different arms of the stable. Just feel it doesn’t lower the standards, more like stops stables controlling racing. |
||
“Gambling has brought our family closer together. We had to move to a smaller house.”
|
||
Atreus
Champion Joined: 25 Nov 2014 Status: Offline Points: 329 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Hong Kong racing is different but the stable limit is still a good idea that is equally applicable to Australia. Maybe have a higher limit than 60 but definitely way lower than 600 which is where one stable is at Most professional sports have a salary cap or limit on number of entries per team because it is a good idea to keep the sport competitive and not allow monopolies or oligopolies to develop
|
||
Batman
Champion Joined: 22 Jan 2018 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 2287 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Another interesting point |
||
“Gambling has brought our family closer together. We had to move to a smaller house.”
|
||
Prince of Penzance
Champion Joined: 17 Jan 2018 Location: Melbourne Status: Offline Points: 1938 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Canberra get nothing as per usual
|
||
rem286
Champion Joined: 17 Mar 2015 Status: Offline Points: 767 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
From a lot of people I talk to, they find Waller having so many horses in so many races is lowering the entertainment aspect of racing, perhaps not so much the quality. I think stakes racing should be left alone as we want the best we can get regardless of who trains, but outside of stakes I wouldn't have a problem with a limit on how many horses an individual trainer can have in a race.
|
||
Speediskey
Champion Joined: 19 Feb 2014 Status: Offline Points: 4116 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Sorry but NSW races already have tiny field sizes.. so your solution is to make them even smaller?
NSW Provincial prizemoney is incredible. People will whinge about anything. If you're a trainer genuinely as good or even near the level as the big guys and you can't attract owners, then I'm sorry but you must be absolutely rubbish at marketing yourself, in which case your business (of which a lot of the game is getting good horses) doesn't really deserve to succeed. Every business needs to be good at marketing, why should trainers be any different?
|
||
rem286
Champion Joined: 17 Mar 2015 Status: Offline Points: 767 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
So the same goes for the country as well then? Take away all their incentives as well because if they can train they will win, if not they don't deserve it either?
|
||
horlicks
Champion Joined: 26 Feb 2010 Status: Offline Points: 8399 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Since when has Canberra been in NSW?
|
||
3blindmice
Champion Joined: 22 Oct 2012 Status: Offline Points: 18105 |
Post Options
Thanks(1)
|
|
Anouncement of prizemoney and background:
The argument about limiting stable size has been done to death. If it's an interest I suggest you start a thread on that specific topic. I read a comment from Danny Williams on Racenet regarding prizemoney increases (prior to today) and raiders. He said increased prizemoney was great for owners and trainers and wasn't concerned about prov/city raiders, although it has to be said he's hardly typical of a country trainer.
|
||
3blindmice
Champion Joined: 22 Oct 2012 Status: Offline Points: 18105 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
It is literally IN NSW (lol) but is a separate racing jurisdiction as we know. Some trainers out of Canberra (MDale, Dryden/Collings, Joseph/Jones) have satellite stables to try to get around the problem. ACT is too small to compete so I'd guess that even more trainers will look at moving or extending.
|
||
Speediskey
Champion Joined: 19 Feb 2014 Status: Offline Points: 4116 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Obviously all levels need good enough prizemoney to survive. In NSW the levels are incredibly high, if you can't make a good go of it there then, yep. Get out.
|
||
Prince of Penzance
Champion Joined: 17 Jan 2018 Location: Melbourne Status: Offline Points: 1938 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Another issue I have is, NSW really don’t care about country races.
I was at a race track in country NSW (Pooncarie) The ladies bathroom didn’t even have water. The toilet was literally a hole in the ground. |
||
3blindmice
Champion Joined: 22 Oct 2012 Status: Offline Points: 18105 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
I don't understand the logic or the problem. Prov minimum prizemoney was 50% higher than country prior to today's announcement. Prov horses can, and do regularly, contest country races. If you're happy with a prov trainer why would you move? Prov infrastructure/facilities far exceeds most country venues.
|
||
rem286
Champion Joined: 17 Mar 2015 Status: Offline Points: 767 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
The prize money is awesome, I haven't had a dig at that. I am saying the availability of it is not on a level playing field. Take away all of these country incentives and see how many go out of business, because they simply aren't good enough. Not many small trainers on the provincial circuit have a Jadeskye or Australian bloodstock syndicate behind them, providing a lot of the marketing for the trainer as a flow on effect. If the small trainer does invest in good marketing, it costs money, their fees go up, and it is harder to get clients in. How about, in a slight twist on your view, if these big time city trainers are so good - then why the heck do they need to be raiding provincial and country races at such high rates? Its not like you only get a few city horses outside the metro meetings. |
||
rem286
Champion Joined: 17 Mar 2015 Status: Offline Points: 767 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
The logic is - if I am going to race horses for country prize money, why pay Provincial level fees, extra transport costs to get them to the venue as well as miss out on the chance to compete in the restricted country races, highway races and this new race announced today. The problem is that so many Provincial races are dominated by city horses or city sized operations running in the provincials. Makes it hard for the genuine provincials.
|
||
3blindmice
Champion Joined: 22 Oct 2012 Status: Offline Points: 18105 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Correct but the opposite of what you're claiming, as I wrote above. We've yet to see new numbers but previously minimums were $20K country and $30K prov.
|
||
3blindmice
Champion Joined: 22 Oct 2012 Status: Offline Points: 18105 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
City trainers send horses to prov and country races because they aren't good enough for the city and/or they need a confidence boost and/or the races suit. Ditto prov trainers sending horses to the country and sometimes "stealing" city trainer money by contesting city races with the right horse in the right form.
Trainers and owners across the state deserve to be funded because they put on racing 364 days of the year. Overall, owners, trainers and jockeys have never had it better - all courtesy of punters. |
||
3blindmice
Champion Joined: 22 Oct 2012 Status: Offline Points: 18105 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Transport fees obviously apply to country trainers chasing wins also. It's a big state with big distances once you cross the GDR.
|
||
rem286
Champion Joined: 17 Mar 2015 Status: Offline Points: 767 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Agree with what you are saying 3bm, but what I am saying is, RNSW has put so many incentives out there for country racing and I think it is great. At the moment however, we don't see that level of incentive available and restricted to provincial participants. And no we don't see it in the City either but they get the significant chunk of the prize money and the power to attract better horses/bigger clients by being a city trainer.
|
||
Post Reply | Page 123> |
Tweet |
Forum Jump | Forum Permissions You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |