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Sneck
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Similar to everything Vlandys does on the welfare front, even good decisions are marketed as reactionary policy that will hold off impending doom for the next five minutes.
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Passing Through
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Message from Racing Victoria CEO regarding ABC 4 Corners program
In terms of equine welfare we continue to invest in:
While Racing Victoria is totally committed to the integrity of our sport and welfare of our horses we cannot do this alone and believe it is a collective responsibility of all those involved in racing. The greatest asset we have in upholding integrity is the information that comes from the industry itself. We encourage anyone with information to pass it on to the Integrity Department, the Integrity Commissioner or Victoria Police. Giles Thompson Racing Victoria |
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TJMitchell
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Integrity said 10 times for those playing at home.
"Clearly, we need to continue to tell our story and educate the broader public" Think someone needs to educate Giles first
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Gay3
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Tongue ties are on for at least 20mins, usually a stocking tightened by using both hands to pull on the knot. Obviously there's a very fine line between uncomfortably tight, perfect & loose enough to fall off but there's no way of monitoring the correct tension for each horse. Many times I've heard trainers explain a better run with "He resented the tongue tie last start" & have personally seen how purple the tongues are on removal. I don't know about you guys but if I cut the circulation on a finger enough to send it purple, it damned well hurts so God only knows what a tongue feels like & no, I won't be trying it. Dentists & others have now found that certain shaped bits put so much pressure on the tongue that horses sensibly pull it back away from the pressure/pain which naturally will partially block the airway. Racing is the worst for its' 'we've always done it this way etc.'mentality but it has to start getting with the times. Germany has banned tongue ties - I wonder why
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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Second Chance
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My mail is that Germany has banned tongue ties because few of their country-women wear stockings any more, plus in any event they won't be able to import them duty-free from Britain any more after Brexit.
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oneonesit
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3blindmice
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Good to see you worked out the simple answer to your own simple question. All good managers react to current issues, leaders try to anticipate future challenges. Some are primarily followers ( eg past RV execs) and few put it all on the line in order to win the best deal for their industry. You appear to be struggling with how horse racing works. V'landys isn't king, he's but one vice among many. He can and does go it alone if he thinks something is worthwhile. He's flawed (who isn't?) and his approach grates on many but there's not a shadow of doubt he's delivered on some very big items even if he pays lip service on others.
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oneonesit
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Another issue that came up was that the significant increase in country race prizemoney (30% ?) over the past 12 months in NSW had in effect been counter productive for country participants. Encouraged more city/provincial trainers apparently to raid the goodies. Is this a fair comment or not ?
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djebel
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The life ban of Smerdon has not been ratified.
You can almost be certain Bailey stuffed something up and they will get off on a technicality. |
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reductio ad absurdum
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djebel
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That is certainly what has happened. The only way I see it changing is to drop prizemoney out there. That said, not sure anybody is owed a living from the industry, but it would be good if they were. |
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reductio ad absurdum
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Passing Through
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It is on the Northern Rivers at Lismore, Ballina and Murwillumbah, with SE Queensland trainers taking a good chunk of the prize-money.
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Bluey
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What about the segment when Michael asked Giles about the tip off to the trainer with regards to no blood testing ..They new the trainer yet can't find the person inside you gave the tip off. Quiet easy I would have thought ..get the phone of the trainer follow up with the telco companies ...serious stuff if they had inside info of when testing was happening...Giles didn't seemed to fussed ...First impression of Giles ..wrong man for the job
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The Brig
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I felt like applying one to Giles
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3blindmice
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Don't know the answer 11 but anecdotally I'd say yes, on balance. This was one criticism of prizemoney V cost relief although to be fair some fees have also been reduced and starter subsidies introduced. Best answered by a country trainer / owner. Some areas will feel the impact of city and prov trainers more than others. Baker regularly hits the Bathurst area. One idea they could use is to have a certain number of country-trained only race meetings in each district every year. Country trainers and owners need to be lobbying if it is a real and increasing problem but I don't know if they actually have an industry body. If it exists it is probably moribund, like many of those groups. RNSW conducted feedback forums around the state some time ago. Can't recall seeing any summary of those meetings.
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3blindmice
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Gay3
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Sadly it's another case of "If you can't stand the heat...................." Many have succumbed & there'll be plenty more.
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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JudgeHolden
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"He should be fired for his comments in the meeting where he ceded moral authority to political agitators"
That's ridiculous. He did nothing of the sort.
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VOYAGER
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It is the responsibility of all participants to assist in the integrity fight.
What a complete moron this guy is. Ellerton tells an officer that there are suspicious activities on raceday, and nothing happens. If the investigation, if there was one, was done, it led to nothing, and the informant, who should be applauded for contacting the officer, gets no feedback or no follow up action. This guy seriously needs to look for another job, or transfer to the publicity department, where can not f#@k anything up! |
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Overseer
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Lacking in detail? A peer reviewed published scientific article with an extensive bibliography of further cited scientific references? That's not what I would call a "small snapshot very much lacking in detail". But an opinion piece by an unspecified author in People and Horse Magazine - well nothing more needs to be said does it? |
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Watch the commission go on
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3blindmice
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Yes, lol, straight out of the management playbook Voyager. He would have been better off saying what RV planned to do and what he expected participants to do rather than doling out platitudes.
It's easy to criticise from the cheap seats but cultural change has to start at the top. Yet despite major cobalt cases, TCO2 performance enhancement, etc we don't see anyone on the RA Integrity Committee pushing for a '3 strikes and find yourself another industry' rule, or something along those lines. That would send a message, as would using race fixing laws to prosecute the worst cases.Pigs will probably fly first.
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VOYAGER
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This will be interesting Giles Thompson about to come on with Brent Zerafa on the replay of After The Last on racing.com.
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Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise
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Glencoe
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Finally 3BM you have made a wonderful suggestion.
As an aside I've often wondered if most of racing's ills & inability to implement decisive & effective legal procedures stems from the fact that racing has always be run by a class of gentlemen who always look after their gentlemen friends. It is "their " industry
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Tontonan
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It must be cool to have your own TV station.
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3blindmice
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Anyone with half an ounce of nous can see the huge gaps in the data in her study as far as knowing what happens to thoroughbreds from birth. It was focused on refuting particular claims, not exploring the realities - probably because no verifiable data actually exists. Guesstimates may be the best we can do at the moment but they aren't credible unless real, traceable numbers are used. Racing's Annual Reports have data on foals and participants every year. From memory that data suggests tens of thousands of horses leave racing over a 5+ year period. Her paper offered very little in regard to what actually happened to a large proportion of those horses.
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3blindmice
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I presume you're referring to my previous comment below? You'll have to explain the issue to me because it seems obvious what I was suggesting - and it certainly wasn't that the link contained definitive or compelling information, unless interesting and background have changed their meanings overnight. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Interesting background on tongue ties
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Lordy
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Didn’t see it and based on comments here and other social media I have no interest in seeing it. Sounds like 4 Corners taking several angles in an attempt to discredit the racing industry with Nothing really enlightening uncovered. Obviously high in the public outrage caused by their Greyhound live baiting expose they decided to have another crack at a bigger target. Didn’t have enough on any particular topic so took a shotgun approach to see what gains a reaction.
In reality you could gather a whole heap of questionable aspects on any industry and cram it into a 45 min piece of TV. |
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linghi11
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If they did one on the RSPCA it would be much better viewing. |
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VOYAGER
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I agree linghi
What about the stuff up or lack of investigation, or lack of authority we saw with the former coppers handling of her horses on her property. I will bet you everything in my a bank account we will never see a four corners 'expose', on how the RSPCA, have been informed of animal neglect, have knowledge of the culprits and those responsible, but nothing happens. And what about the judges and magistrates, who sit before animal neglect cases, and give the culprits, a slap on the wrist. If four corners did their usual thorough job, then they could of had a three week, three part story, on just one aspect of what they were trying to expose. Just shows how concerned they were about righting a wrong, any wrong. |
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linghi11
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I’d also like to see their financials including pay packets to their managerial staff, office expenses, numbers of animals they put down etc.
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djebel
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Why don't you guys petition the commercial networks to do the expose ?
Don't they do a better job ? Wouldn't they lap it up ? |
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reductio ad absurdum
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