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maccamax
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Tlaz..:- I bet mainly with Betfair. I have a couple of accounts with Corporates, which I took advantage of their bonus bets and soon worked out the unders your forced to take with them , has them giving little away.
Sportsbet made me put my bonus on sports betting which seemed strange. I did win from both. Recent times I've been very selective and lay quite a few. I do increase stakes following a losing lay and usually recoup in short time. Danger in chasing losses , especially in laying, SO a golden rule is NEVER Lay anything to lose more than 5% of your bank. When I followed good advice in the Oz / Peru soccer match , I intended to trade out earlier but the market turned against me and i sat for a period . LUCK went my way and I greened up... These breaks go both ways over time. The E/E advice is always worth looking at , as is that of others on TBV. I've had a good look at ...R4----- 5 Laussel in a few minutes . a good judge has fancied him on here . |
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maccamax
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I REST MY CASE ... Sneck
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3blindmice
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Unkowing Marionette? As my maths teacher often wrote: QED
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TJMitchell
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Maybe at least change the thread title to "Bitch-fest" or something more relevant
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ExceedAndExcel
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Ahhh no. I knew exactly what you meant but like the school boy who tries to say he was only looking for a rise after being mercifully mocked for his stupidity you are simply clutching at straws. Nice try though. Better than your maths efforts anyway. |
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Sneck
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So as a losing gambler when I said mug punter you assumed I was talking about you and were salty because it didn't take you where you want to go. Seems like my take was spot on. |
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maccamax
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Ratings and associated means of having a chance when gambling has been the main points . The " bitching " ( which your 2 posts have been )are best ignored, along with a few other pointless barbs. There is merit in others views and input. let the beneficial opinions flow. If we don't agree, we move on. I backed a good winner today, in a race I may not have even looked at had it not been drawn to my attention on here. |
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3blindmice
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You seem to get many things confused so let me set you straight on yet another point. I didn't assume anything of the sort. Admittedly when I see your posts on particular topics I do take certain things into account but on this relatively simple point that wasn't required. Unless maths includes speculative waffle your so-called 'math' was nothing of the sort. Even the logic behind your original claim was at best tenuous, although you might have been expressing some concern for your poor mug punter as I suggested above.
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3blindmice
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At the risk of repeating something you've no doubt heard many times, Pavlov's dogs had nothing on you Pal.
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3blindmice
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Too true TJM. A bit of indulgence.
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djebel
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reductio ad absurdum
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djebel
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4 Manikato
Manihi - Markato One of Australia's greatest sprinter-milers, Manikato won the Golden Slipper Stakes in 1978 and was Horse of the Year in 1978-79. During that three-year-old season the gelding scored victories in the Caulfield Guineas and Doomben 10,000, and the first of his multiple wins in the William Reid, CF Orr, Futurity and George Ryder Stakes. Manikato won the 6f William Reid Stakes five consecutive times (1979-83) at Moonee Valley, Melbourne, where he now has a Group 1 race named after him. Bob Hoysted, who trained him for most of his career, said: “He was a wonderful horse and a great friend.” 3 Black Caviar The Australian wondermare won all 25 career starts, including 15 Group 1s, but only one came after flying halfway around the world in a snazzy bodysuit to take on the best Europe could pit against her on a wholly unfamiliar, rain-eased track at a venue likely to test the temperament of the doughtiest of creatures. Black Caviar was sent off the 1-6 favourite for the 2012 edition of the Diamond Jubilee and was cruising to victory when Luke Nolen eased up and she was nearly caught on the line. It was a heart-stopping moment, a glimpse of fallibility – albeit mostly human – that if anything endeared her all the more to a crowd enthralled by the appearance on these shores of such a great champion. n British eyes this victory, and her subsequent crowning as European champion sprinter, was a defining moment for Black Caviar, yet to the whole of Australia it was simply the cherry on the top of a great career that had already yielded 11 Grade 1 successes on home soil and was far from over once her round-the-world jaunt was done. She returned to Australia to become the first horse to win a third Lightning Stakes, a race now named after her, followed by the William Reid and, on her final start, the T J Smith, which took her past Kingston Town’s Australian record of 14 top-level wins. She was, by the time she was retired at the end of her six-year-old season, regarded in some quarters as the best horse in the world. She was a four-time world champion sprinter, three-time Australian champion sprinter and three-time Australian Horse of the Year, who frankly had nothing left to prove as she went off to the paddocks. In fact, she was very nearly the best of them all. 2 Abernant Arguably the best sprinter ever based on these shores – a dispute involving him and the great Dayjur, the outcome of which is usually dependent on the age of the warring parties – the flying dark grey Abernant won 14 times from 17 starts and, once the notion of a career as a miler was ended by defeat in the 2,000 Guineas, he carried all before him. He was pre-eminent as a two-year-old in 1948, winning his five remaining starts – including the Chesham, the National, the Champagne and the Middle Park – after an unsuccessful debut. Then, after his short head defeat in the Guineas, he reigned over the sprinting division for the next two years, in the hands of the peerless Gordon Richards. The son of Owen Tudor – winner of the ‘New Derby’ at Newmarket in 1941 – developed a huge following as he carried all before him, again going through the rest of his season unbeaten, claiming the King’s Stand, July Cup, King George and Nunthorpe, the last-named developing into a five length rout after he took up the running at the furlong pole. The following season he proved unable to give 23lb to the three-year-old Tangle in the King’s Stand but gave Richards his 4,000th winner when taking the Lubbock Stakes at Sandown and defended his July Cup, King George and Nunthorpe titles before being granted an honourable retirement while still at the top of his game. Noel Murless summed it up perfectly as the great horse, lighter in colour by this stage and very much a national hero, left the arena: “There is nothing left for him to win.” 1 Dayjur The European sprint division has never been as dominated as in 1990, when Dayjur ruled supreme. By the end of his career, he was rated by far the best sprinter of the era and undoubtedly one of the best of all time, but it wasn’t always plain sailing for the $1.65m yearling son of Danzig, out of the US champion sprinter Gold Beauty. Defeat in the second of his pair of two-year-old races prompted a hobday operation, and two further reverses in his first three races as a three-year-old – including in the Free Handicap over seven furlongs – hardly hinted at greatness, but once his true metier was discovered, as an out-and-out speedball who could roll along in front at a velocity few others could begin to live with, he took the world by storm. Successes in the Temple Stakes and King’s Stand proved to be just a warm-up as he launched into the meat of the campaign and a Group 1 spree in which he landed the Nunthorpe by four lengths in record time, the Haydock Sprint Cup by a length and a half from Royal Academy, and the Prix de l’Abbaye in a stroll despite seeming to hurdle a shadow in the final yards. All that was as nothing, however, compared to the drama of his final run, a bold bid for the Breeders’ Cup Sprint at Belmont, which looked for all the world like a glorious triumph until that jaw-dropping moment in the dying strides when, with echoes of Paris no doubt ringing in the ears of Willie Carson, he jumped the shadow of the grandstand – not once but twice – and turned victory into defeat. He was beaten a neck by the mare Safely Kept that October day but in the process turned sprinting greatness into a sporting legend by which he will always be remembered. |
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Shrunk in the Wash
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Love the Man
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Majestic
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Just a slight aside, Abernant was credited with beating Star King ( read renamed Star Kingdom when he came to Aust for stud) in a major 2yo race. Apparently many on course were surprised by judge's verdict, saying SK had actually beaten Abernant. This was pre photo finish.
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djebel
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As a two-year-old, M.F. Dupre's TEXANA won the inaugural 1957 Prix de l'Abbaye de Longchamp (her 11th win that season).
She was rated 136 by Timeform, making her the joint-second top rated filly in the publications history (alongside Allez France, Habibti & Black Caviar).
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Carioca
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Yes I read it was a controversial finish Majestic, short head by 5lengths, interesting to note at the end of the 2 yo season Free Handicap ratings Abernant 9st 7lb, Star King 9st 5lb , 60kg 59kg, Star King overall stats, 16sts, 9wins, 2nds, 1 trd. |
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djebel
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Be interesting to see what number they put on todays effort ?
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Speediskey
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Surely not very high? Once again the form on the horse that ran 2nd is extremely exposed.. and it's a solid G3 level sprinter in Europe, has run in 10 Group 1's over 5 furlongs and run one placing before today.
The sheer lunacy of their ratings is unbelievable. Somehow this horse is a 136, yet Trapeze Artist is a 126 (same as Merchant Navy, give me a break). Trapeze Artist's TJ Smith win is so unbelievably under rated in comparison to Battaash it's actually comical. Battaash wouldn't see which way our sprinters went, let alone 5kg better than them.
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Speediskey
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Actually nevermind, didn't see he won by 3 lengths. Timeform will give this a 155.
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correctweight
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Only 155.. |
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scamanda
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I think the ATC should invite the connection to bring Battaash out to represent them in the Everest.
1. It would put to rest once and for all if Battaash is as good as the ratings say. 2. It will show just how limited he is, at 6 furlongs. 3. They'd crap in their boots. A 5 furlong squib shouldn't ever be compared to the likes of Vain.
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I started with nothing and still have most of it left
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Speediskey
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I'm the biggest knocker of the horse, but it wouldn't put the ratings question to bed because theres no way he runs 1200 properly.
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djebel
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reductio ad absurdum
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djebel
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Tontonan
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Timeform analyst contemplating the outcome of the Nunthorpe Stakes.
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correctweight
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Hahahahaha. Nice tont.
This just proves they have no clue especially when it comes to sprinters and it is a major disrespect to the grest vain. |
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Red Rancher
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Some English commentator last night pre-race said he thought Baattash was the world's best horse. What a complete joke that was.
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djebel
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Chapman, he is a biiger goose than Victoria's Ric McIntosh. |
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3blindmice
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Presumably the same bloke who has made the same comment twice previously?
This rating needs to be wiped from the records and written apologies submitted. It's an embarrassment for TF and international ratings but worse it's a slight on ACTUAL top notch sprinters. |
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djebel
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reductio ad absurdum
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