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Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

Originally posted by rem286 rem286 wrote:

Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

I like the look of the new boy at Yarraman Park,,,,   Hellbent.    Looks verra verra nice, and they do have the knack Wink


Must say I was quite shocked with the $27.5k price tag on this bloke.  

I have to say - they’d have to pay me to send a mare to him. Alas he’s not having runners this coming season so he doesn’t belong in the thread


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Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

Originally posted by rem286 rem286 wrote:

Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

I like the look of the new boy at Yarraman Park,,,,   Hellbent.    Looks verra verra nice, and they do have the knack Wink


Must say I was quite shocked with the $27.5k price tag on this bloke.  

I have to say - they’d have to pay me to send a mare to him. Alas he’s not having runners this coming season so he doesn’t belong in the thread


Sorry Embarrassed  Wasnt thinking Cry


No apologies needed - it could’ve easily been about stallions new to stud.
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Anyone have any Shooting to Wins 2yos in work? Any mail on them?
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Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

Anyone have any Shooting to Wins 2yos in work? Any mail on them?

None for myself but have heard a few good reports.  Few stables that I have contact with are saying that some of them will run early and have shown a bit of potential.  Haven't heard of any getting massive raps yet but still early days.
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Thanks rem!
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Originally posted by Fastnetrock Fastnetrock wrote:


Will be the same as this season a Qld sire to kick ass.  Better Than Ready.

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Brazen Beau getting a few early.
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Yeah,,Better Than Ready is doing well. 
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Better Than Ready is really performing well.  I didn't mind the Shooting to Wins at the sale but plenty of people really hated them.  Shows my eye is off sometimes.  One of my favourite mares who I follow stock from had one sell to WA while I marked a few others also all under $100K so maybe the trainers didn't like them.  I wouldn't worry about him till his three year olds come out to play though.  
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Originally posted by furious furious wrote:

Better Than Ready is really performing well.  I didn't mind the Shooting to Wins at the sale but plenty of people really hated them.  Shows my eye is off sometimes.  One of my favourite mares who I follow stock from had one sell to WA while I marked a few others also all under $100K so maybe the trainers didn't like them.  I wouldn't worry about him till his three year olds come out to play though.  <div id="UMS_TOOLTIP" style=": ; cursor: pointer; : 2147483647; : transparent; top: -100000px; left: -100000px;">


I posed the same question about Shooting To Win to someone in the industry the other day, i.e. why the market was taking such a set against them. The reply was more based on temperament concerns as opposed to type. There is a good opinion of his filly that won at Canterbury.

The other freshman stallion (and incidentally barn-mate) that interests me is Hallowed Crown. Only one runner so far, which isn't surprising, but given the market didn't love him last year, one can assume that they'll be cheap at Magics and Classic.   
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Originally posted by furious furious wrote:

Better Than Ready is really performing well.  I didn't mind the Shooting to Wins at the sale but plenty of people really hated them.  Shows my eye is off sometimes.  One of my favourite mares who I follow stock from had one sell to WA while I marked a few others also all under $100K so maybe the trainers didn't like them.  I wouldn't worry about him till his three year olds come out to play though.  

Regarding Shooting To Win, there are several reasons why he was not as popular in the ring as his half brother.

The main reason being Darley/Godolphin.  Many stallions from Darley just don't get the early interest at sales.  Possibly due to lack of promotion and also the absence of Darley at the sales ring.  Obviously this has changed a little since Vin Cox came along but their stallions just do not get the level of hype as other farms.

Secondly, it wasn't the best crop of 3yo that he performed against so I guess people are a bit worried there too.

Personally, I like him though.  Won at 2, G1 at three, nice page and a nice type.  I have a colt foal by him and he is a great type.
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Good luck with it.  Hope the market shows something this year.  That usually shows if the trainers have a good one with a young stallion.
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If I was selling yearlings at Melbourne Premier by any of this crop of sires (apart from Better than Ready) I'd be very nervous
Am prepared to cut some slack for both Wandjina & Dissident
I know it is early but I am starting to query the ROI on a Brazen Beau purchase
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Brazen Beau still has the Golden Slipper favourite, also has Accession who is handy, hardly going badly.
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$800k for the Brazen Beau colt at Premier.

Still plenty of believers.
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Based on his page was about a $250k job imo, so there's certainly some hype around the stallion.
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Or the colt Xrayed very well and was a particularly good looker, good walker with a great disposition .😀😁😉
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Another BB colt just went for $575k
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My point re BB is regarding return on investment. Is he upgrading mares for people to pay that sort of money?
At those prices & on early indications there is plenty of room for doubt.
I did say I would be happy to be wrong
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Agree, more than a few appear to have sold for "overs".  Some buyers will make money, most won't.
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The Chinese have entered the market and it looks like they are trying to outbid each other.
Where would the industry be without them.
Scary if they decide to leave.
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Originally posted by Xavier Xavier wrote:

Another BB colt just went for $575k

if you know what you are looking at , is a beautiful animal.
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Agree, more than a few appear to have sold for "overs".  Some buyers will make money, most won't.

sellers doing ok as well.
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I didn't mean to put the mock on Brazen Beau that much. Tassort & Accession both spelling & another 15 2y.o's that have had a run yet to win
I have a feeling the breed is soft legged & I am open to criticism or informed knowledge
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Originally posted by Isaac soloman Isaac soloman wrote:

Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Agree, more than a few appear to have sold for "overs".  Some buyers will make money, most won't.

sellers doing ok as well. 

Well that goes without saying given buyers are arguably paying overs.
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Spendthrift Farm's Bolt d'Oro who served both his first Northern Hemisphere and Southern Hemisphere books last year (2019), with 104 mares covered in Australia at a debut fee of AU$13,750 will not be shuttling back to OZ this year.

Garry Cuddy - "We are disappointed to announce that Bolt d'Oro will not shuttle to Australia in 2020 due to him not handling the shuttle process last season. Our decision has been made with the welfare of the horse in mind."
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Brazen Beau had a stakes winner overnight in England

DUBAI STATION (GB)Bay colt 2017 
Brazen Beau
Brown 2011		I Am Invincible
Bay 2004		Invincible Spirit
Bay 1997		Green Desert
Bay 1983		Danzig
Foreign Courier		1977
1979		7-a
A4
Rafha
Bay 1987		Kris
Eljazzi		1976
1981		2-o
7-a
Cannarelle
Bay 1998		Canny Lad
Brown 1987		Bletchingly
Jesmond Lass		1970
1975		7-a
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Countess Pedrille
Bay 1994		Zoffany
Sister Pedrille		1980
1980		1-n
1-n
Sansadee
Black 2000		Snaadee
Bay or brown 1987		Danzig
Bay 1977		Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom		1961
1968		2-d
7-a
Somfas
Bay or brown 1978		What a Pleasure
Ciboulette		1965
1961		5-f
4-g
Sansapa
Black 1988		Bletchingly
Brown 1970		Biscay
Coogee		1965
1959		2-o
7-a
Nearctic Answer
Bay or brown 1973		Nearctic
Prize Answer		1954
1965		14-c
4-g
Princess Guest
Bay 2012		Iffraaj
Bay 2001		Zafonic
Bay 1990		Gone West
Bay 1984		Mr Prospector
Secrettame		1970
1978		13-c
2-f
Zaizafon
Chestnut 1982		The Minstrel
Mofida		1974
1974		8-f
9-e
Pastorale
Chestnut 1988		Nureyev
Bay 1977		Northern Dancer
Special		1961
1969		2-d
5-h
Park Appeal
Bay or brown 1982		Ahonoora
Balidaress		1975
1973		1-m
14-c
Princess Speedfit
Bay 2000		Desert Prince
Bay 1995		Green Desert
Bay 1983		Danzig
Foreign Courier		1977
1979		7-a
A4
Flying Fairy
Chestnut 1983		Bustino
Fairy Footsteps		1971
1978		1-w
1-s
Perfect Sister
Chestnut 1987		Perrault
Chestnut 1977		Djakao
Innocent Air		1966
1962		8-c
1-w
Franca
Bay 1976		Viceregal
Tudor Gwen		1966
1969		10-c
11-f
 Ancestor duplications:Danzig5m,4m x 5m Green Desert4m x 4m Bletchingly5m,4f x 
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