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    Posted: 20 Jul 2020 at 7:06pm
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Am now hearing that he's asking about going into horses privately with people.

Please be careful is he's asking you. No-one wants to get caught with a private debt with no protection from the industry or the licensed guys.

Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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Haha horse racing? Truth and what’s happened always gets blurred 
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Hope when the dust settles he is barred from being an owner unless upfront fees are paid in advance, non payers!AngryAngryAngry
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Sounds like a gelati bloke. $15k...no, no it's actually more like 13k LOL

Prizemoney alone would easily cover that.
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Would think that Mr Ali would be a welcome customer to any horse racing establishment. NOT ConfusedConfused
“Gambling has brought our family closer together. We had to move to a smaller house.”
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A racehorse owner leaving a trail of debt across the racing industry has been granted an injunction in a bid to stop First Light Racing from selling group 1 winner Aristia to stud, despite owing at least $13,000 in unpaid training fees.

Ahamed Mohamed Ali, also known as Ash Ali, was granted an injunction by the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal on Tuesday to prevent First Light Racing from selling Aristia and three other horses he part-owns after he questioned whether the licensed syndicator unlawfully took ownership of Ali's shares which had gone unpaid.


Despite Mr Ali owing at least $13,000 in unpaid training fees for his 5 per cent share in the horses, VCAT deputy president Ian Lulham said "the Tribunal cannot approve of a person, First Light, taking someone's property unlawfully", granting an injunction before a hearing at a date expected to be set this week.

First Light Racing director Tim Wilson declined to comment prior to the hearing of the matter.


Mr Ali has left a trail of debts throughout the racing industry, according to one creditor who spoke to The Age in January, and was at the centre of a police investigation into trainer Jarrod McLean, who was accused of making threats to Mr Ali over what Mr McLean said was more than $10,000 in unpaid training fees.


Victoria Police told The Age on Wednesday they were still investigating an alleged incident that occurred in Rowville between May and December 2019, but that no charges had been laid.

At the injunction hearing, Wilson told VCAT that "Mr Ali paid no fees between December 2019 and May 2020, putting him in substantial arrears" in excess of $15,000. Mr Ali denied the assertion and said the debt was "around $13,000".

Wilson produced email evidence from Racing Victoria's senior advisor of dispute resolution Frank De Rango that he was in his right to default Mr Ali based on a clause in the product disclosure statement signed by Mr Ali at the time he purchased a share in Aristia, and that FLR had given Mr Ali ample notice to repay the debt.



According to that clause, "(First Light) reserves the right to default a client whose account extends beyond 60 days and under such circumstances that client will forgo their share ownership to (First Light)".

Racing Victoria advised First Light via email that "We are willing to process a transfer of ownership in Aristia under these circumstances without the out-going signature of Mr Ali."

However, VCAT deputy president Lulham said that he could not accept email correspondence from Mr De Rango "as anything other than the opinion of its author".

"Neither party produced any ‘rules' or constitutional documents applicable to Racing Victoria," the deputy president determined.

However, Racing Victoria told The Age the advice provided by Mr De Rango to First Light Racing was accurate.

"It appears in this instance that there has been misunderstanding with regards to the role of Racing Australia in the processing of all ownership transfer forms within Victoria," an RV spokesperson said.

"The advice provided to FLR was appropriate and warranted in the circumstances."

FLR is not the only racing business chasing unpaid fees from Mr Ali.

Cloverdale Agistment owner Kaz Morphett, widow of well known sports commentator Drew Morphett, says she too is owed well over $20,000 by Ali and has a mare on her Pakenham South property that Ali left more than two years ago.

"She has been fed twice a day, wormed every eight weeks - we haven't missed a beat with it," Ms Morphett said.

"He owes me over $20,000. We just want to get him. He's just a bad, bad egg."

But Mr Ali told The Age he has offered to settle the debts with First Light Racing and Ms Morphett, explaining he had been in Perth over December and January and the COVID-19 impact on flights meant he couldn't get to a Bank Of Melbourne branch to sort out issues with his account.


He said he had no other significant debts in the racing industry and was still buying horses, and argued that First Light Racing took ownership of his shares because they wanted a piece of valuable broodmare Aristia.

"I have offered to pay with interest the $13,000, they [FLR] don't want to take it because they want to benefit unlawfully," he said.

"Kaz Morphett, [the] final amount has to be agreed on but we have now agreed on the process after going up and down for six months. RV are fully aware and were with me on the way forward."

Mr Ali said he could not comment on any debt owed to Mr McLean as the matter was part of an ongoing police investigation.


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VRC Oaks winner Aristia and recent city winner Rich Hips are at the centre of bitter dispute between leading syndicator First Light Racing and owner Ahamed Mohamed Ali.

The matter is before the Victorian Civil Administrative Tribunal after Ali’s shares in four horses were to be transferred out of his name because he owed First Light between $13,000-15,000 in training fees.

Ali issued proceedings last month against First Light Racing, including an application for urgent interim objections which would restrain First Light from selling his shares in Aristia, Rich Hips, Bellevita and Aureum.

The injunction also called for the blocking of the sale of the horses and distribution of prizemoney “in a way which would deprive him of his share.”

Ali claims his five per cent share of the horses — coupled with the quartet’s earning capacity — is worth $1.5 million and if the horses were sold and he was deprived of prizemoney he stood to lose $200,000.

First Light provided information to VCAT outlining repeated — and allegedly unsuccessful — demands of Ali to pay outstanding training fees.


First Light referred the matter to Racing Victoria’s dispute resolution and mediation services in May.

VCAT ruled that Ali had to provide it with an undertaking “as to damages” in writing by noon on Thursday.

Under the order, First Light is restrained from selling Ali’s shares, selling the horses and distributing the prizemoney.

VCAT is to make a separate order setting out directions for the “future conduct of the proceeding, including the filing of a counterclaim by the respondent (First Light).”

RV said it “is aware of the private matter between First Light Racing and Mr Ali that has been brought before VCAT. To our knowledge the matter remains under consideration by VCAT and we await its findings.”

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Sorry members? What has been the wash up with this shonky mob FLR ? Will they be just as active again in the forthcoming sales? Problem? Trainers will not complain! I have noticed that first light have a big spread of trainers
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Sorry I did not check spell check. ( in the goings on) it ment to Reid. And I know spelling was not an A when I was schooled. Sorry
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It's just another major headache for RVL ? To sort out probably one of the most corrupted systems in the country!! We talk about used car sales and real Eastgate agents? The auction ring in Australia will eat you alive. I have had a lot of experience in throngs on
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Buy backs are common practise at the sales.  In a racing industry sense its no big deal.  Not disclosing in the PDS was the problem.  I'd think this would breach their AFS licence.  Has any action been taken on that side?
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Just a nice way of saying they ran the price up! Sounds sweeter
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Risk free pin hooking could be a desription of their conduct .
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It's that old saying? It's only a rort if you are not involved!! Walks like a duck! Quacks like a duck! You tell me?
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Originally posted by Red Hare Red Hare wrote:

Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

It gets better.

One of the FLR Directors is the personal accountant of Racing Minister Pakula! Now we understand the light penalty.

Let me assure you - others have lost their license to syndicate for far, far less!
Is that confirmed, or just piss talk in the twittersphere?

Say for arguments sake it's true. Accountants have many clients but If one is the racing minister does that preclude them from race horse ownership?

It's the racing industry. Everybody is connected somehow. Has been the case since forever.
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Sorry word was not seeing! Workcover have just finished sueing zarha for damages ! Not jockey
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Red Hare. Google Zaria, police , bribe, racing, the age printed story of receiving $5000 to interfere with rival runner. Police have evidence. I think was ridding for Darley at that time? Was immediately sacked. Google jockey Brereton race fall 2010 . Approx 10 months berfore. Brereton is now paraplegic after Zarhra caused him to fall. I think workcover just finished seeing zarha for damages.
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Originally posted by Straight arrow Straight arrow wrote:

Having a fight with a taxi driver! Wouldn't even meet an inquiry withRVL when you having a leading jockey admitting to police to taking money to interfere with another jockey 6/10 months after he caused a leading mel rider to become paraplegic! RVL sitting on hands. Papers printed it they do nothing. No wonder bailey left the state his hands completely tied
Which paper? Post the link.

Who is the injured rider?
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Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

It gets better.

One of the FLR Directors is the personal accountant of Racing Minister Pakula! Now we understand the light penalty.

Let me assure you - others have lost their license to syndicate for far, far less!
Is that confirmed, or just piss talk in the twittersphere?
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Having a fight with a taxi driver! Wouldn't even meet an inquiry withRVL when you having a leading jockey admitting to police to taking money to interfere with another jockey 6/10 months after he caused a leading mel rider to become paraplegic! RVL sitting on hands. Papers printed it they do nothing. No wonder bailey left the state his hands completely tied
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What about the Sydney , top notch, jockey who had the rumble with a taxi driver ??     Its supposed to hit the headlines sooner rather than later.  
If it had been a footy player it would be all over the front pages now .    But a jock and it just creeps under the radar. 
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No ! They worry about press and what it might do to there industry. If they got rid of crooks ? People would have more faith!! How can a jockey back another horse while ridding second favourite and get 9 months suspension? How can a leading jockey cripple another jockey? Then six months later police report he was given money to interfere with another runner? No penalty!! Work that out?? Someone ! Should not have a license to ride
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Rules for one , another rule for someone else.
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RVL have fallen asleep at the wheel when it comes to penalties for some in the game. Unless it's smacking them in the face ? That obvious? Like the Aquanita cheating? They do not touch the top of ladder! Another Ollie? What happened there? Getting caught doing what he did? Was a lifetime offence!! I'm only getting started
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RVL like schools boys in play ground getting told off by teachers? Kicking the dirt with there shoes wondering how do we hide what we have done!! It feels like? If you are bring owners into racing? RVL look the other way if you are ripping innocent people? Just keep the horses coming in and going around in circles!! These poor everyday people want to get in? But have to find away to get lessons to swim through the sharks
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Ahhhh the Integrity in Victorian Racing
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Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

It gets better.

One of the FLR Directors is the personal accountant of Racing Minister Pakula! Now we understand the light penalty.

Let me assure you - others have lost their license to syndicate for far, far less!


Surely that’s a conflict of interest if I’ve ever seen one.WTF!!!!
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Their penalty is ridiculous, you can’t go around fining trainers who advertise “partners wanted” in their horses, yet give a slap on the wrist to organised rorting by someone actually licenced.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (2) Thanks(2)   Quote Sunline Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Dec 2018 at 11:35am
It gets better.

One of the FLR Directors is the personal accountant of Racing Minister Pakula! Now we understand the light penalty.

Let me assure you - others have lost their license to syndicate for far, far less!
Sunline...simply supreme
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Originally posted by pnclick pnclick wrote:

Wouldn't be that hard to do. Give registered bidders a bidding card and the spotters could call that number out so it's registered.

The worse run-up was Black Caviar's half brother. Everyone in the joint seemed to know it was going to go for $5m, and the well known under bidder pushed it up to that figure....

What a farce that was.
The under bidder supremely confident and comfortable bidding $4.95M.

Apoplectic when his bid is called at $5M.......
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