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THE GREATEST FEMALE RACEHORSES OF THE AUSTRALIAN TURF 1860-2018 :  
FIVE OR MORE GROUP 1 OR EQUIVALENT WINS

  • +Gr.1=    (+) Refers to the additional number of races won that might be considered Gr.1 equivalent prior to the introduction of the Pattern System in 1980.   (eg. VRC Champion Sks,  St Legers)
    (#) Refers to the additional number of races won that were subsequently graded Group 1. (eg. Lightning Stakes)
  • Sex     refers to the number of Gr.1 races won that were only sex restricted (eg. Queen of the Turf Sks)
  • Age & Sex    refers to the number of Gr.1 races won that were both age and sex restricted (eg. VRC Oaks)
  • Age    refers to the number of Gr.1 races that were only age restricted (eg. Golden Slipper, VRC Derby)

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Age Name DOB country wins starts S/R Gr.1 range Gr.1 range HOF HOTY Internat
17 1 1 WINX 2011 (AUS) 29 35 82.9% 1400 2200 1 2
15 1 BLACK CAVIAR 2006 (AUS) 25 25 100.0% 1000 1400 1 3 GBgr.1
13 ## 3 1 SUNLINE 1995 (NZ) 32 48 66.7% 1200 2040 1 3 HKgr.1
12 ++++ WAKEFUL 1896 (AUS) 25 44 56.8% 1100 3200 1 (2)
12 ### 3 3 3 WENONA GIRL 1957 (AUS) 27 68 39.7% 1400 2400 1 (1)
8 + 1 1 GLADSOME 1900 (NZ) 27 64 42.2% 1400 2400 (1)
8 ## 3 1 MORE JOYOUS 2006 (AUS) 21 33 63.6% 1200 2000
7 ## MAKYBE DIVA 1999 (GB) 15 36 41.7% 2000 3200 1 2
7 +++++## TRANQUIL STAR 1937 (AUS) 23 111 20.7% 1800 2400 1 (1)
6 + LA CARABINE 1894 (AUS) 15 48 31.3% 3200 4800 (2)
6 + 1 4 FURIOUS 1918 (AUS) 13 41 31.7% 1200 2400
6 ? 2 2 DESERT GOLD 1912 (NZ) 36 59 61.0% 1200 2400 (1)
6 1 2 3 BOUNDING AWAY 1983 (AUS) 9 22 40.9% 1200 2400 1
6 ## 1 EMANCIPATION 1979 (AUS) 19 28 67.9% 1400 1600 1
6 HORLICKS 1983 (NZ) 17 40 42.5% 2000 2400 JPNgr.1
6 4 2 SLIGHT CHANCE 1989 (NZ) 12 43 27.9% 1400 2400
6 3 TYPHON TRACY 2005 (AUS) 11 20 55.0% 1400 1600 1
5 1 4 FLORENCE 1867 (AUS) 7 18 38.9% 1000 2400
5 BRISEIS 1873 (AUS) 6 17 35.3% 1600 3200 1 (1)
5 CUDDLE 1929 (NZ) 23 66 34.8% 1600 3200 (1)
5 + 2 3 TRUE COURSE 1947 (AUS) 12 27 44.4% 1200 2400
5 # 4 STORM QUEEN 1963 (AUS) 13 20 65.0% 1200 1600
5 ##### 2 DUAL CHOICE 1967 (AUS) 16 28 57.1% 1100 1600
5 + 2 1 ANALIE 1969 (NZ) 16 39 41.0% 1600 2600
5 +## 1 LEILANI 1970 (NZ) 14 29 48.3% 1600 2400 1 1
5 ## 3 1 SURROUND 1973 (NZ) 16.5 28 58.9% 1600 2500 1 1
5 ++ MAYBE MAHAL 1972 (AUS) 14 44 31.8% 1200 1600 1
5 1 TRISTARC 1981 (NZ) 6 32 18.8% 2000 2400
5 3 2 TRISCAY 1987 (AUS) 15 26 57.7% 1600 2400
5 # 3 2 MISS FINLAND 2003 (AUS) 11 26 42.3% 1200 2500
5 # MISS ANDRETTI 2001 (AUS) 19 31 61.3% 1000 1200 1 GBgr.2
4 ## LET'S ELOPE 1987 (NZ) 11 26 42.3% 2000 3200 1 1

These are the first 32 of 119 on our list.  More to follow....
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4 G1 or Equivalent Wins

Gr.1 Wins + Gr.1= Sex Age&Sex Age Name DOB country wins starts S/R Gr1/sts Gr.1 range Gr.1 range HOF HOTY Internat
4 ## LET'S ELOPE 1987 (NZ) 11 26 42.3% 15.4% 2000 3200 1 1
4 ++ LURLINE 1869 (NZ) 13 28 46.4% 14.3% 1600 3600 1
4 ++ SWEET NELL 1900 (AUS) 11 31 35.5% 12.9% 1400 2400
4 ++++ LADY WALLACE 1902 (AUS) 14 28 50.0% 14.3% 1600 2400 1
4 ## MARVEL LOCH 1900 (AUS) 13 46 28.3% 8.7% 1800 2400
4 ++++ 1 FLIGHT 1940 (AUS) 24 65 36.9% 6.2% 1200 2800 1
4 3 EVENING PEAL 1952 (AUS) 11 51 21.6% 7.8% 2400 3200
4 + RIPA 1960 (NZ) 13 55 23.6% 7.3% 1200 1600
4 # 1 LOWLAND 1964 (NZ) 10 34 29.4% 11.8% 2000 3200
4 +# 2 1 DENISE'S JOY 1972 (AUS) 13 51 25.5% 7.8% 2000 2500
4 ## 1 2 TOY SHOW  1972 (AUS) 8 33 24.2% 12.1% 1200 1600
4 # 1 HOW NOW 1972 (NZ) 10 40 25.0% 10.0% 1600 2400
4 3 1 RESEARCH 1985 (AUS) 9 31 29.0% 12.9% 1600 2500 1
4 # 1 MANNERISM 1987 (AUS) 13 38 34.2% 10.5% 1400 2400
4 ## DANE RIPPER 1993 (AUS) 12 29 41.4% 13.8% 1200 2040
4 1 ETHEREAL 1997 (NZ) 8 21 38.1% 19.0% 2400 3200
4 2 GRAND ARCHWAY 1995 (AUS) 9 22 40.9% 18.2% 1200 2500
4 # 1 1 1 ALINGHI 2001 (AUS) 10 16 62.5% 25.0% 1200 1600
4 2 DIVINE MADONNA 2002 (AUS) 8 26 30.8% 15.4% 1500 1600
4 1 ATLANTIC JEWEL 2008 (AUS) 10 11 90.9% 36.4% 1400 2000
4 3 APPEARANCE 2008 (AUS) 9 19 47.4% 21.1% 1300 1600
4 1 SILENT ACHIVER 2008 (NZ) 10 36 27.8% 11.1% 2000 2400
4 2 2 MOSHEEN 2008 (AUS) 8 18 44.4% 22.2% 1600 2500
4 2 STREAMA 2008 (AUS) 10 34 29.4% 11.8% 1600 2400
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3 G1 or Equivalent Wins

Gr.1 Wins

+ Gr.1=

Sex Age&Sex Age Name DOB country wins starts S/R Gr1/sts Gr.1 range Gr.1 range HOF HOTY Internat
3 +++ 1 1 PETREA 1876 (AUS) 7 17 41.2% 17.6% 1400 3200
3 + 1 1 AURARIA 1892 (AUS) 10 24 41.7% 12.5% 2400 3200 =1
3 ++++ 1 2 CARLITA 1911 (AUS) 13 48 27.1% 6.3% 1400 2400 1
3 + 1 2 WILARI 1908 (AUS) ?? ?? ?? ?? 1400 2400
3 ++ VALICARE 1922 (AUS) 9 18 50.0% 16.7% 1600 1800
3 # 2 DESIRABLE 1973 (AUS) 10 22 45.5% 13.6% 1200 1400
3 ++ WIGGLE 1955 (AUS) 14 24 58.3% 12.5% 1200 1600 USgr2 & USg3
3 3 INDIAN SUMMER 1958 (AUS) 10 25 40.0% 12.0% 1600 2400
3 # 2 LIGHT FINGERS 1961 (NZ) 15 33 45.5% 9.1% 2400 3200 1 1
3 1 CITIUS 1962 (AUS) 9 29 31.0% 10.3% 1100 1600
3 # 1 CAP D'ANTIBES 1971 (AUS) 10 27 37.0% 11.1% 1200 1600
3 (MY) BLUE DENIM 1975 (NZ) ?? ?? ?? ?? 2000 3200
3 (MY) GOLD HOPE 1977 (NZ) 8 25 32.0% 12.0% 1200 1600
3 3 NOVEMBER RAIN 1977 (AUS) 6 ?? ?? ?? 2400 2500
3 ## 1 2 ROSEOFKINGSTON 1978 (AUS) 10 26 38.5% 11.5% 1600 2500 1
3 1 2 SPIRITOFKINGSTON 1981 (AUS) 6 25 24.0% 12.0% 1900 2500
3 CANNY LASS 1982 (AUS) 9 52 17.3% 5.8% 1200 1600
3 SPECIAL 1983 (AUS) 10 31 32.3% 9.7% 1000 1200
3 1 MILTAK 1989 (NZ) 8 19 42.1% 15.8% 2400 3200
3 2 1 TYCOON LIL 1994 (NZ) 8 20 40.0% 15.0% 1600 2400
3 # SPINNING HILL 1996 (AUS) 14 40 35.0% 7.5% 1000 1200
3 # PRIVATE STEER 1999 (AUS) 12 20 60.0% 15.0% 1400 1600
3 SHAMEKHA 2000 (AUS) 8 24 33.3% 12.5% 1200 1600
3 # 2 1 FORENSICS 2004 (AUS) 7 19 36.8% 15.8% 1200 1600
3 2 1 SAMANTHA MISS 2005 (AUS) 7 12 58.3% 25.0% 1600 2500
3 # ORTENSIA 2005 (AUS) 13 38 34.2% 7.9% 1000 1200 GBg1&2..UAEg1
3 SEA SIREN 2008 (AUS) 7 17 41.2% 17.6% 1200 1350 IREg4
3 1 JAMEKA 2012 (AUS) 6 24 25.0% 12.5% 2400 2500
2 2 SHAMROCKER 2007 (AUS) 4 18 22.2% 11.1% 1400 2400

Fillies and Mares who have won 3 or more Group 1 races tally 84.
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That's a monumental effort, Tontonan!

Wenona Girl might be in the Hall of Fame but she is often under-appreciated and that list shows her rightful place amongst the absolute greats.

I hadn't appreciated that all La Carabine's G1s were 2 miles or more.

Guelph is another filly with 4 G1s (7 wins from 14 starts), although one of her G1s (Flight Stakes) was upgraded in 1985.

With Lurline, I put together her record on the racehorsetalk website under my pwa name but had her NZ record as 8 wins from 10 starts but have since seen a record of her NZ starts at tbheritage as 10 wins out of 13 starts. 

November Rain had 22 starts and (My) Blue Denim 10 wins but not sure how many starts.


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As Summer Regent said, monumental effort Tontonan. 👏
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Yes, Tontonan,,,an amazing effort .   Just amazing the work you have done on this.  Clap
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We all love seeing your work Tontonan.  Nicely done.
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Wilari (1908) 

6 wins from 33 starts
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Thank you.  

There is not much point maintaining a database if I am not going to use it.  I have been collecting race records for a long time and this is just an exercise in rearranging the data.  As Summer Regrent will attest I certainly didn't do all the research myself.  I am a bit of magpie in that regard.

Wenona Girl certainly earns her stripes but I need to make a correction.  The Flight Stakes was only a Gr..2 race in 1980 and I have been counting it as a GR.1 equivalent.  It didn't become Group 1 until 1985.
However, she also won an Orr Stakes and two Lightnings, races that subsequently became Gr.1 races.  I don't know about the Orr but the Lightning has been a top quality race a long before it was recognized as Group 1 in 1986.  Her record is even better than this table credits her. 

Also it seems I have counted La Carabine's VRC Champion Stakes wins  in her Gr.1= tally but I haven't afforded the same courtesy to Wakeful or Carlita.  If I were to be consistent I should take them off her and add  ++ to the gibberish column. 

The table below is the remaining horses we have nominated on this thread  - those that have won 2 Gr.1 (or =) or less.  There are many more who have won 2 or less that haven't been mentioned on this thread but they will be so marginal to the 'Top 100' that there is no point chasing them down.   The tables describing those horses that have won 3 or more account for 86 fillies and mares and a total of 123 have been nominated.  While Group 1 tallies are not the be and end all, I need to find 14  to complete the top 100 from the remaining 37 who have won 2 or less.  The 14 I would include in the top 100 are in bold.

I will make some corrections and post the entire table  later on.

2 or less Gr.1 or equivalent wins

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Sex Age&Sex Age Name DOB country wins starts S/R Gr1/sts Gr.1 range Gr.1 range HOF HOTY International
2 1 1 FRANCES.TRESSADY 1920 (AUS) ?? ??     2400 2400
2 # 1 BEGONIA BELLE 1964 (AUS) 13 35 37.1 5.7% 1200 1600
2 1 1 DELICACY 2011 (AUS) 12 19 63.2 10.5% 2000 2500
2 # 1 GAY POSS 1966 (NZ) 11 ??     2000 2400
2 1 1 LADY SYBIL 1957 (NZ) 9 31 29.0 6.5% 1600 2400
2   1 1 LOTTERIA 2001 (AUS) 8 17 47.1 11.8% 1600 1600
2 1 CHAMPAGNE 1994 (NZ) 7 19 36.8 10.5% 2000 2000
2 1 REPUBLIC LASS 1998 (AUS) 6 23 26.1 8.7% 2000 2400
2 1 SECRET ADMIRER 2007 (AUS) 3 28 10.7 7.1% 1600 1600
2 +++ BARBELLE 1865 (AUS) ?? ?? ?? ?? 1400 3200
2 + # TRAQUETTE 1911 (AUS) ?? ?? ?? ?? 1600 2000
2 # 1 GOLD EDITION 2003 (AUS) 17 37 45.9 5.4% 1200 1200
2 HOT DANISH 2003 (AUS) 16 31 51.6 6.5% 1350 1400
2 2 RED TRACER 2007 (AUS) 15 38 39.5 5.3% 1400 1600
2 # # # WALTZING LILY 1929 (AUS) 12 46 26.1 4.3% 1200 1400
2 RIVETTE 1933 (AUS) 10.5 49 21.4 4.1% 2400 3200
2 ELECTRONIC 1990 (AUS) 9 44 20.5 4.5% 2000 2600
2 1 BELLE DU JOUR 1997 (AUS) 9 35 25.7 5.7% 1200 1200
2 JEZABEEL 1992 (NZ) 7 26 26.9 7.7% 3200 3200
2 1 SKATING 1989 (AUS) 7 22 31.8 9.1% 1500 1600
2 ENGLISH 2012 (AUS) 6 26 23.1 7.7% 1200 1400
2 ISCA 1995 (AUS) 6 10 60.0 20.0% 1000 1200
2 HEATOFTHEMOMENT 1982 (AUS) 6 ?? ?? ?? 1500 1600
2 MISS PENNYMONEY 1996 (AUS) 5 28 17.9 7.1% 1200 1200
2 # 2 COURTZA 1986 (NZ) 5 14 35.7 14.3% 1200 1200
2 2 SHAMROCKER 2007 (AUS) 4 18 22.2 11.1% 1400 2400
1 # # 1 LEICA SHOW 1971 (AUS) 9 19 47.4 5.3% 2500 2500
1 1 ANGST 1990 (AUS) 7 10 70.0 10.0% 1600 1600
1 1 CIRCLES OF GOLD 1991 (AUS) 6 43 14.0 2.3% 2400 2400
1 1 UNWORLDLY 1997 (AUS) 5 6 83.3 16.7% 1600 1600
1  '+ # LADY MEDALLIST 1906 (AUS) 21 66 31.8 1.5% 2400 2400
1 RAINBIRD 1941 (AUS) 8 47 17.0 2.1% 3200 3200
1 PINKER PINKER 2007 (AUS) 6 18 33.3 5.6% 2040 2040
0 + + QUIVER 1891 (AUS) ?? ?? ?? ?? 4800 4800
0 JOANNE 1986 (AUS) 16 25 64.0 0.0% 0 0
0 +++ ZOE 1851 (AUS) 12 36 33.3 0.0% 4800 4800


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A few other wins and starts

Frances Tressady 7 wins
Barbelle 12.5 wins
Traquette 15 wins 40 starts 
Quiver 6.5 wins 30 starts (also raced in India)

Couldn't argue with the bolded 14 but Champagne and Republic Lass would be 101 and 102!
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Hello,
maybe it's a bit offtopic.
 
Benbatl (Dubawi-Nahrain by Selkirk) has a connection with your work, because his 4th dam is none other than"La Mer". He will race tomorrow in the "Grosser Dallmayr - Bayrisches Zuchtrennen",
Group I, 2000 meter, Munich, Germany. This season he had won 3 races at Dubai, including the "Dubai Turf". His Connection is planning to send him to Australia for the "Cox Plate".
 
Yes, I can Imaging how manmy hours you have spent resesrch and writing about your Topic. I did it myself for much lesser breeding-and racing subject, Totonan.
 
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I don't know if you noticed but I stopped at 99.   A little wriggle room  LOL

(Champagne would be the next in my line)

The selection that I worry about is Delicacy over Shamrocker.  It was really only Delicacy's 4YO campaign that tipped the scale in her favour.  Shamrocker's 4YO campaign was a stinker and she could be inconsistent where as Delicacy just didn't know how to run a bad race. 

Thanks for those stats.  I will add them in.

For those who pay attention to these things the most successful families on these tables are :

Family 20-a ;  Cuddle, Tranquil Star, Light Fingers, Jezabeel, Forensics (5)
Family 2-g :  Auraria, Desert Gold, Ripa, Dual Choice, Grand Archway (5)
Family 10-d : Waltzing Lily, Evening Peal, Wiggle, Horlicks (4)
Family 13-b : Desirable, My Gold Hope, Courtza, Red Tracer (4)
Family 22-b : Lady Sybil, Lowland, Circles of Gold,  Private Steer (4)

BTW :  I must confess to only including Wiggle's Australian starts in her career stats,  everyone else's overseas starts were added in.
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Originally posted by Ticino Ticino wrote:

Hello,
maybe it's a bit offtopic.
 
Benbatl (Dubawi-Nahrain by Selkirk) has a connection with your work, because his 4th dam is none other than"La Mer". He will race tomorrow in the "Grosser Dallmayr - Bayrisches Zuchtrennen",
Group I, 2000 meter, Munich, Germany. This season he had won 3 races at Dubai, including the "Dubai Turf". His Connection is planning to send him to Australia for the "Cox Plate".
 
Yes, I can Imaging how manmy hours you have spent resesrch and writing about your Topic. I did it myself for much lesser breeding-and racing subject, Totonan.
 
regards, Ticino

I was half way through my reply when there was a 'BANG!' and a power outage.  

Thankfully my data is safe but the reply was lost including the second half of a list of New Zealand mares.  This is the first half :

Hilda (NZ) Cynisca (NZ) Lady Zetland (NZ) Warstep (NZ) Silver Scorn (NZ) Yahabeebe (NZ) Soneri (NZ) Sea Spray (NZ) Show Gate (NZ) Battle Eve (NZ)  Snap (NZ) Seachange (NZ) La Mer (NZ) Cruciform (NZ)   Lurline (NZ) Gladsome (NZ) Lady Medallist (AUS) Desert Gold (NZ) Cuddle (NZ) Lowland (NZ) Gay Poss (NZ) My Blue Denim (NZ) My Gold Hope (NZ) Empire Rose (NZ) Riverina Charm (NZ) Horlicks (NZ) Let's Elope (NZ) Miltak (NZ) Champagne (NZ) Jezabeel (NZ) Sunline (NZ) Ethereal (NZ) Silent Achiever (NZ)   Princess Coup (NZ)  Miss Potential (NZ)  Abit Leica (NZ) Canterbury Belle (NZ) Tycoon Lil (NZ) Swell Time (NZ) Domino (NZ) Solveig (NZ) Prize Lady (NZ) Perhaps (NZ)  Ladybird (NZ)

Unfortunately I don't have the same resources for New Zealand racing and doing the list justice would be hard work.  A lot raced in Australia though and quite a few are detailed in Peter Pring's 'Analysis of Champion Racehorses' so I'll put it on my list of things to do.

Also, the earlier idea of listing Australasia's greatest broodmares has been on my to do list for quite some time and could be next project.  I have a database of around 500 well performed horses with their breeding and family numbers - more than that now after tabling the fillies and mares.  It may be useful as the basis of broodmare list.

Best of luck to Benbatl to fly the flag for La Mer tomorrow,
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rEH1KZh4RAxhVgwerjsOwho8x-r5G98R/view?usp=sharing

I have up loaded the original spreadsheet I used to Google drive.  Clicking the above link should allow you to download it or read from it directly from Google.


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I have uploaded the spreadsheet to Google drive because the forum platform cannot handle the full sheet posted all at once. 
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Thanks for loading it on Google Drive, Tontonan. It's a great reference.

If Heat of the Moment's last race was the 1986 George Main, which seems to be the case, then she started 22 times for 6 wins, 5 seconds, 2 thirds.

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I am updating the link for the Google Drive spreadsheet because I have made it editable by anyone.


If you have any corrections or additions feel free.
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Now for some geeky fun....

Let's say we want to know who the best mares were at 3200m+.  We apply the filters and sort by DOB....

Gr.1 Wins Name DOB country Wins Starts S/R Gr1/sts Gr.1 range Gr.1 range
7 MAKYBE DIVA 1999 (GB) 15 36 41.7 19.4% 2000 3200
4 ETHEREAL 1997 (NZ) 8 21 38.1 19.0% 2400 3200
2 JEZABEEL 1992 (NZ) 7 26 26.9 7.7% 3200 3200
3 MILTAK 1989 (NZ) 8 19 42.1 15.8% 2400 3200
4 LET'S ELOPE 1987 (NZ) 11 26 42.3 15.4% 2000 3200
3 EMPIRE ROSE 1982 (NZ) 9 48 18.8 6.3% 2000 3200
3 (MY) BLUE DENIM 1975 (NZ) 10 ?? ?? ?? 2000 3200
4 LOWLAND 1964 (NZ) 10 34 29.4 11.8% 2000 3200
3 LIGHT FINGERS 1961 (NZ) 15 33 45.5 9.1% 2400 3200
4 EVENING PEAL 1952 (AUS) 11 51 21.6 7.8% 2400 3200
1 RAINBIRD 1941 (AUS) 8 47 17.0 2.1% 3200 3200
2 RIVETTE 1933 (AUS) 10.5 49 21.4 4.1% 2400 3200
5 CUDDLE 1929 (NZ) 23 66 34.8 7.6% 1600 3200
12 WAKEFUL 1896 (AUS) 25 44 56.8 27.3% 1100 3200
4 LA CARABINE 1894 (AUS) 15 48 31.3 8.3% 3200 4800
3 AURARIA 1892 (AUS) 10 24 41.7 12.5% 2400 3200
0 QUIVER 1891 (AUS) 6.5 30 21.7 0.0% 4800 4800
3 PETREA 1876 (AUS) 7 17 41.2 17.6% 1400 3200
5 BRISEIS 1873 (AUS) 6 17 35.3 29.4% 1600 3200
4 LURLINE 1869 (NZ) 13 28 46.4 14.3% 1600 3600
2 BARBELLE 1865 (AUS) 12.5 ?? ?? ?? 1400 3200
0 ZOE 1851 (AUS) 12 36 33.3 0.0% 4800 4800

What a race that would be.  

And specialist sprinters ?  Apply the filters for distance and strike rate (30%+) and sort by strikerate...

15 BLACK CAVIAR 2006 (AUS) 25 25 100.0 60.0% 1000 1400
5 STORM QUEEN 1963 (AUS) 13 20 65.0 25.0% 1200 1600
4 ALINGHI 2001 (AUS) 10 16 62.5 25.0% 1200 1600
5 MISS ANDRETTI 2001 (AUS) 19 31 61.3 16.1% 1000 1200
2 ISCA 1995 (AUS) 6 10 60.0 20.0% 1000 1200
3 WIGGLE [1] 1955 (AUS) 14 24 58.3 12.5% 1200 1600
5 DUAL CHOICE 1967 (AUS) 16 28 57.1 17.9% 1100 1600
2 GOLD EDITION 2003 (AUS) 17 37 45.9 5.4% 1200 1200
3 DESIRABLE 1973 (AUS) 10 22 45.5 13.6% 1200 1400
3 SEA SIREN 2008 (AUS) 7 17 41.2 17.6% 1200 1350
2 BEGONIA BELLE 1964 (AUS) 13 35 37.1 5.7% 1200 1600
3 CAP D'ANTIBES 1971 (AUS) 10 27 37.0 11.1% 1200 1600
3 FORENSICS 2004 (AUS) 7 19 36.8 15.8% 1200 1600
2 COURTZA 1986 (NZ) 5 14 35.7 14.3% 1200 1200
3 SPINNING HILL 1996 (AUS) 14 40 35.0 7.5% 1000 1200
3 ORTENSIA 2005 (AUS) 13 38 34.2 7.9% 1000 1200
3 SHAMEKHA 2000 (AUS) 8 24 33.3 12.5% 1200 1600
3 SPECIAL 1983 (AUS) 10 31 32.3 9.7% 1000 1200
3 (MY) GOLD HOPE 1977 (NZ) 8 25 32.0 12.0% 1200 1600
5 MAYBE MAHAL 1972 (AUS) 14 44 31.8 11.4% 1200 1600
3 CITIUS 1962 (AUS) 9 29 31.0 10.3% 1100 1600

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Rivette probably deserves a special mention.  I think she was the first mare to win the Caulfield/Melbourne Cup double.
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Rivette was bred, owned and trained by Harry Bamber. Bamber was a former lighthorseman from the Great War, a part time pony and thoroughbred trainer in the 1920s, and a victim of the depression in the 1930s when he was reduced to milking cows on a dairy farm to support himself and his sole horse. She was a mare named Riv, but Bamber lacked the money to pay a service fee for her. 

On Derby Day, 1932, he went to Flemington with ₤2 in his pocket which he put on Peter Pan to win the Mackinnon Stakes and then the Melbourne Cup. Peter Pan duly obliged, and with his winnings of ₤20 he was able to pay the service fee for the stallion Ronsard. The result of the union was Rivette. 

Rivette did not race as a two-year-old, and at three had just two wins at provincial tracks from 11 starts. At four she had four wins and three placings from eight starts, and Bamber believed she had the makings of a fine stayer. 

In 1938 she showed consistent form and Bamber backed her to win ₤15,000, for a bet of ₤5, in the Caulfield/Melbourne Cup double. Disaster struck, however, when Rivette gashed her hoof at Mordialloc beach and had to be scratched from all future engagements. 

With great patience Bamber nursed her back to health, and she returned to the track in June 1939. She won or was placed in her next eight races, followed by an effortless win in the Caulfield Cup. Starting favourite for the Melbourne Cup, she carried a 10lb. penalty as a result of her Caulfield Cup win, but again had no trouble in leading the field home. In doing so she became only the third horse and the first mare to win the two Cups double. 

As Harry Bamber later said: Rivette “set me up for life”.
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Hello,
I can inform you all, Benbatl has won the "Grosser Dallmayr - Bayrisches Zuchtrennen" easily. One more win for "La Mer" at Group I Level.
 
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It is a small small world in the thoroughbred industry.  I don't think too many went overseas in the 70's & 80's.  We had a fair few G1 winning colts sent to the USA in the 60's.  Then that kind of stopped with just a few going over the next thirty or so.  This one seems to have gone to Europe with the Mill Reef foal which looks to have worked well with the Mill Reef/Shirley Heights in the sire.
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Nice to see a great mare with a line still going strong.  Similar to Denises Joy.
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Frances Tressady's record amended on the spreadsheet. She won the VRC Derby and Oaks in the same week in 1923 but nothing of real quality outside those two wins.
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Peculiar, isn't it ?  

She is probably more famous than she deserves to be.  She beat the even more famous than he deserves to be Drongo  and they cleared away from the rest who were completely forgettable with the sole exception of King Carnival.  While he was by Comedy King from a Wallace mare it appears he did not stay.  He was beaten by the NZ visitor Ballymena in the Randwick Derby and turned it up at Flemington as well.  

Frances was third in the VRC St Leger behind Sandringham and Drongo.  Sandringham was a Woorak colt who really shouldn't have got the trip.  And Drongo never ever won a race.  I'd have to say it was a weak 3YO crop. 


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Barbelle 40 starts 12½/5/4½

Her record is much better than Frances Tressady's!
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Where on earth are you getting these figures from ?
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Barbelle was from Trove (a few spare hours today) and Frances Tressady from Marc Fiddian's book on the Victoria Derby, plus Trove. 

Several newspapers published Barbelle's early record after her Sydney Cup win and it was just a matter of working forward from there.

Over the years, from Miller's Guide, Turf Monthly (especially Warwick Hobson's articles) and a few Turf Registers, then from online newspapers and databases, I've put together my own file of starts and placings, particularly of the near-champions and could-have-been-champions, which the racing industry, if it had any real regard for history and tradition, would already have. 


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Excellent.   You are always surprising me with your data.  I have done my fair share of Troving so I appreciate what you have done. 

Originally posted by Summer Regent Summer Regent wrote:

I've put together my own file of starts and placings, particularly of the near-champions and could-have-been-champions, which the racing industry, if it had any real regard for history and tradition, would already have. 


And I couldn't agree more.
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Always with the proviso that there may be a race missing or a transcription error! 
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