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Sneck
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I'm not surprised Tom is doing this.
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Atreus
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Tom is just being realistic. In the last few years there have been large increases in the charges on fixed odds betting. Before V'Landys came along the fee for fixed odds betting was 1% for years and years. Then he comes along and increases the fee several times over. Now the Point of Consumption Tax is coming in and will send taxes and charges on fixed odds betting to all time highs With so much money being ripped out of the game by race clubs and government it will be much harder to show a profit as a punter or a bookie. So I can understand why you would get out of the game and just become a tips seller
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maccamax
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NO mate . My own 4 showed some profit ... I believe he had 3 seconds 2 unp. So he is Human after all . His special beaten in a photo. I don't Subscribe to his tips , but the news travels quickly. Appears he favours Lightly raced 3 & 4 Y/O's with high win/place percentages. That is a method older than me . All about money management really , the selection can come out of a hat. |
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acacia alba
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Cant believe people actually pay these blokes for tips ????
I can loose my money just as well by myself thanks. |
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animals before people.
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pnclick
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Yes 3 very close seconds, and a couple of down the tracks. I got the 'free' email this morning, and had a look at them, didn't bet, just noted what was sent.
Agree... Money management THE most important, and probably least understood, aspect of betting.
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maccamax
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We can understand why our famous Kerry Packer Broke/Retired quite a few of the Rails Bookmakers some years ago . He was probably betting to about .000001 percent of his punting Bank and with gradual increase of stake through a bad trot he shattered them when the cycles went in his favour. We Punters don't want to learn , We are in self destruct mode 24/7. Over betting in relation to available Bank , Chasing losses , Having far too many bets , = All add up to no hope. I have no doubt Tom Waterhouse will show a profit, and not on horses like his Mothers, ENGLISH ( which he didn't tip ). It will be on these better performed younger gallopers ,early in their careers while they are meeting classes well below what they will reach. He won't be tipping them when that point arrives. |
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TJMitchell
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Why would anyone get tips from a bookie? It's there job to TAKE your money
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Sneck
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This is probably the B+ set at worst until he establishes himself.
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maccamax
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Can you imagine the base he is building , for whatever he does in the future .. That alone would sell for a fortune. |
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rusty nails
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Why?
He built a big base, couldn't make money sold out to W Hill. They had a bigger base and also couldn't make money, and sold out to crownbet. A base is needed to generate revenue,but just having a base doesn't automatically generate revenue. Then you need a model that generates more revenue than it costs. |
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maccamax
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They spend big money to lure people into their web ( Bookmakers )
Tom's lists would have exploded with the success he had in his first few weeks . . He will sell when the price is right. |
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SHOVHOG
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We paid Aspinall/Greaves racing for years and made some good money out of the sheets.
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" In gambling the many must lose in order for the few to win"
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pnclick
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Latest from Tom: I’ll be at HQ with my Platinum members betting up, so Gai Waterhouse and Adrian Bott are kindly hosting. 12 tickets available - first in first served Can we get photos of who is with Tom on Saturday? |
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ExceedAndExcel
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Thought Id share my experience with this service for anyone interested (possibly no one )
A couple of months ago I signed up for his free bronze package where he sends his best bet of the day each Saturday. Pretty much no commentary around the race, suggested bet size or rated price, just the venue, race number & horse name. First 4 selections lost – all were favourite which doesn’t really bother me. After this I got an email offer for a free week of the early mail package – usually $99.95 per week. He sends several selections on a Thursday afternoon for Saturdays races with selection notes, best price currently available and number of units to have on. As many may know I don’t bother following racing too closely these days as my interests have moved to sports etc. A couple of days after getting the free early mail offer, I paid $24.95 for the gold package for Derby day. Did this basically to give myself half a chance of not being totally wiped when I was at Flemington. He sends a dozen or so selections for Saturday all across Australia with notes and suggested bet size. Also got sent the same deal for Cup day & Oaks day included in this price. Selections performed very well and I am up significantly from them which I guess probably isn’t a huge surprise. Maybe I caught them on an extremely good week, who knows. Because I am so out of the loop regarding form, I would probably pay again next time I go to the track (likely to be who knows when) Positives: he obviously has the form worked out extremely well and the races mapped perfectly so will generally get a good run for your money with a good percentage of the selections. No idea where these sets of selections rate in terms of extracting value but I can see them being clearly profitable over time. Negatives: a lot of his selections shorten in the market so you need to be quick. In particular the early mail sent on Thursday seems to be immediately crunched. You need to be monitoring your email constantly and then getting bets on straight away. His results are based on the best price available so would be very hard to replicate yourself. |
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Tlazolteotl
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The women founder and CEO of Bet365 has a good model for extracting cash from mug punters. Net worth 6 billion. Pays herself $384 million a year salary. She is little Tom's idol.
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An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought.
Simon Cameron |
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maccamax
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His best bet freeby, has won about 12 0f the last 14 (I think ) I recall when it was 9 from 10. Edited by Gay3 - 27 Nov 2018 at 3:50pm |
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jimbob04
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anyone here use there service, gold package looks good money back if no profit
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Gay3
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Please use the 'search' when starting new threads jimbob
Edited by Gay3 - 12 Dec 2018 at 2:39pm |
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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Straight arrow
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When you sign up? Does it come with any guarantees?? I can't believe people can sucker others into these schemes!! At least is there a discount on losing months/ weeks? Like he would be wanting a rebate back on his losing bets. Does he do the same ?
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marscay
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What a rort but good luck to him tbh if it's working.
Nothing like a family name in this game. |
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diomed
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Ready to go broke.
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jimbob04
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money back if have a losing month no other betting service offers this might give them a crack
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maccamax
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Tom is claiming good win percentages on all his levels of paid subscriptions , BUT The old chestnut.
His wins are calculated on best price bet after he releases his selections . Meaning if you take 6/4 something that goes to 5/1 , your on a much different price to what he's claiming. NO ONE can achieve those best odds on every selection , so SCAM results being advertised. |
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maccamax
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Tom's value bets showed 40% profit today . Helped by one he claims 27/1 about that started $15. Another he claims $7 about (SP 3.20)
SICKENING these scammers. All we have to do it appears, is get the big overs . Too Easy. |
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ExceedAndExcel
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When he sends out the tips the prices quoted are correct. So there is no real problem claiming these prices IMO. The problem is that to get the price you need to be hovering over your email inbox ready to bet immediately. Any delay and you will often miss the price because they are regularly backed in substantially. As I mentioned when I reviewed the service, I can see them being marginally profitable for the regular user but it will be almost impossible to get the profit percentages quoted. |
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maccamax
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Impossible to get near his prices with the following he would have. With Your know how & experience E & E You may, do as you say , but most punters don't have accounts or access to many outlets. Few Corporates take much from winning punters before limiting or banning them. IMHO SP is the only true guide to tipping results. |
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ExceedAndExcel
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Can’t argue with that. It all makes it very hard to replicate his figures. But as I say, from what I saw on the one week of gold package I paid for, I could see it being marginally profitable. For me not really following the sport at all anymore, the selections were perfect. I went to Derby day with no idea of the form and it would have been a bloodbath otherwise. |
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maccamax
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Tom Has published his Results and prices for the 12 months he has been in operation = TIPPING .
He is honest enough to show where his tips at SP are losing. However , ( The Usual ) BEST PRICE BET around the world is showing profit. ( HOW MANY followers get on at these best prices bet in the days leading up to the race). I see it as an admission that he is creating a superb trading opportunity for himself . ------------------ Yesterdays winning day ( hahahaha ) 2 won from 4 , One started 1.95 , the other 1.70 ... His top prices claimed were $2.25 + $2.10. Other prices claimed during his "winning " period were up to 150% better prices than SP, on almost all bets . CALL IT WHAT YOU LIKE .... |
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ExceedAndExcel
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I doubt many get on at the best price claimed as you would need to be ready to go the moment the tips come through. But also most everyone will be getting on at much better than SP as well. Eg yesterdays losing free best bet - I got on at 2.7 about half an hour after the email came through. It started odds on.
True results for anyone paying will be somewhere in the middle - much better than SP but not what he claims. |
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ExceedAndExcel
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Also not hard to see how the early mail package would have been up 18% yesterday as claimed. He only gives 4 or 5 tips in that package with bet size suggestions as well. No idea what the bet sizes were but given the two winners were short it’s quite likely the other selections were smaller bets.
The gold and silver package lost yesterday reading between the lines of the email. |
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