Tom Waterhouse. Is he serious???

Cant believe people actually pay these blokes for tips ????   
I can loose my money just as well by myself thanks. 

pnclick wrote: Yes 3 very close seconds, and a couple of down the tracks. I got the 'free' email this morning, and had a look at them, didn't bet, just noted what was sent. Agree... Money management THE most important, and probably least understood, aspect of betting.

We can understand why our famous Kerry Packer Broke/Retired quite a few of the Rails Bookmakers some years ago .
He was probably betting to about .000001 percent of his punting Bank and with gradual increase of stake through a bad trot he shattered them when the cycles went in his favour.
We Punters don't want to learn , We are in self destruct mode 24/7.
Over betting in relation to available Bank , Chasing losses , Having far too many bets , =   All add up to no hope.
I have no doubt Tom Waterhouse will show a profit,   and not on horses like his Mothers, ENGLISH ( which he didn't tip ).
It will be on these better performed younger gallopers ,early in their careers while they are meeting classes well below what they will reach.
He won't be tipping them when that point arrives.

TJMitchell wrote: Why would anyone get tips from a bookie? It's there job to TAKE your money

I'm sure Tom wants to win for an ego boost if nothing else. 

Why?

He built a big base, couldn't make money sold out to W Hill.

They had a bigger base and also couldn't make money, and sold out to crownbet.

A base is needed to generate revenue,but just having a base doesn't automatically generate revenue.
Then you need a model that generates more revenue than it costs.

We paid Aspinall/Greaves racing for years and made some good money out of the sheets.

Thought Id share my experience with this service for anyone interested (possibly no one )

A couple of months ago I signed up for his free bronze package where he sends his best bet of the day each Saturday. Pretty much no commentary around the race, suggested bet size or rated price, just the venue, race number & horse name.

First 4 selections lost – all were favourite which doesn’t really bother me. After this I got an email offer for a free week of the early mail package – usually $99.95 per week. He sends several selections on a Thursday afternoon for Saturdays races with selection notes, best price currently available and number of units to have on.

As many may know I don’t bother following racing too closely these days as my interests have moved to sports etc. A couple of days after getting the free early mail offer, I paid $24.95 for the gold package for Derby day. Did this basically to give myself half a chance of not being totally wiped when I was at Flemington. He sends a dozen or so selections for Saturday all across Australia with notes and suggested bet size. Also got sent the same deal for Cup day & Oaks day included in this price.

Selections performed very well and I am up significantly from them which I guess probably isn’t a huge surprise. Maybe I caught them on an extremely good week, who knows.

Because I am so out of the loop regarding form, I would probably pay again next time I go to the track (likely to be who knows when)

Positives: he obviously has the form worked out extremely well and the races mapped perfectly so will generally get a good run for your money with a good percentage of the selections. No idea where these sets of selections rate in terms of extracting value but I can see them being clearly profitable over time.

Negatives: a lot of his selections shorten in the market so you need to be quick. In particular the early mail sent on Thursday seems to be immediately crunched. You need to be monitoring your email constantly and then getting bets on straight away. His results are based on the best price available so would be very hard to replicate yourself.

His best bet freeby, has won about 12 0f the last 14 (I think )

I recall when it was 9 from 10.



Edited by Gay3 - 27 Nov 2018 at 5:50pm

Please use the 'search' when starting new threads jimbob


Edited by Gay3 - 12 Dec 2018 at 4:39pm

What a rort but good luck to him tbh if it's working.

Nothing like a family name in this game.

money back if have a losing month no other betting service offers this might give them a crack

Tom's value bets showed 40% profit today .       Helped by one he claims 27/1 about that started $15.   Another he claims $7 about (SP 3.20)

SICKENING these scammers.       

    All we have to do it appears, is get the big overs .    Too Easy.

ExceedAndExcel wrote: maccamax wrote:    Tom's value bets showed 40% profit today .       Helped by one he claims 27/1 about that started $15.   Another he claims $7 about (SP 3.20) SICKENING these scammers.            All we have to do it appears, is get the big overs .    Too Easy. When he sends out the tips the prices quoted are correct. So there is no real problem claiming these prices IMO. The problem is that to get the price you need to be hovering over your email inbox ready to bet immediately. Any delay and you will often miss the price because they are regularly backed in substantially. As I mentioned when I reviewed the service, I can see them being marginally profitable for the regular user but it will be almost impossible to get the profit percentages quoted.

   Impossible to get near his prices with the following he would have.
With Your know how & experience E & E   You may, do as you say , but most punters don't have accounts or access to many outlets. Few Corporates take much from winning punters before limiting or banning them.

IMHO SP is the only true guide to tipping results.

Tom Has published his Results and prices for the 12 months he has been in operation = TIPPING .

He is honest enough to show where his tips at SP are losing.
However , ( The Usual )    BEST PRICE BET around the world is showing profit.
( HOW MANY followers get on at these best prices bet in the days leading up to the race).
I see it as an admission that he is creating a superb trading opportunity for himself .
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   Yesterdays winning day ( hahahaha )   2 won from 4   , One started 1.95 , the other 1.70 ...    His top prices claimed were $2.25 + $2.10.

Other prices claimed during his "winning " period were up to 150% better prices than SP, on almost all bets .

    CALL IT WHAT YOU LIKE ....     

Also not hard to see how the early mail package would have been up 18% yesterday as claimed. He only gives 4 or 5 tips in that package with bet size suggestions as well. No idea what the bet sizes were but given the two winners were short it’s quite likely the other selections were smaller bets.

The gold and silver package lost yesterday reading between the lines of the email.