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Though I entirely embrace your Octagonal comparison.  Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Thanks Hoges for some reality.

ChrisB's above post suggests he knows bugger all or has had too much to drink.  Suspect both cases might apply for an apparent troll such as he appears.

Bottom line: Lonhro almost always won in a close finish when often appearing beaten.  TAS the same.  
Not comparing them per se, just identifying the similarities.  

Ok TAS hasn't won in open company, which certainly lessens his racing legacy somewhat.  But then again he's lost just once in 9 starts which ain't quite shabby.








You hate being wrong?

About TAS and bizarrely not knowing 3rd in Slipper was Godolphin (for someone who claims I'm a troll yet know more)

It's ok, just accept it
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Actually the first two beat the others pretty well today.  The second horse could be a swimmer for all we know.  He was certainly lighter over the ground to The Autumn Sun.  Yet the big colt didn't give in he won.  If he gets conditions to suit maybe he would of beaten them easily.  No one knows.  The Jockey said he thought he went to soon on him and left him a sitting duck also.

I hope we get some fine weather soon so we can see him again at Randwick.  I think if the rain keeps on he stop for the season or retire to stud.  I'm certainly not giving up on him.
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Chris, if you are not enjoying Winx or The Autumn Sun than racing has very little to offer you.

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No i love Winx! I just hate the end of her career here like Black Caviar. Rubbish racing.

TAS is nothing, I'd back my Tassie fave against him any day of the week. Vastly overrated as "best 3yo in ages" etc
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Chris your assessment of a horse is silly bordering on dumb.

TAS ran 1.24.6 on a soft7 to Win a Group 2, first up!

And you say he is nothing. Well your wrong and he has proved it regardless of what happens going forward.

It is a bit silly to claim a horse is nothing after he has just proved he is something, common.
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ChrisB you need to know that people make errors.  We all do.  I'm forever having to fix things.  But you do like to run Sydney racing in particular down.  I had a fabulous day at the races.  It was a hard track for all participants.  Some excelled on it others had no chance.  It's the luck of racing as we are an outside sport.  But what a marvellous result in the slipper for both Godolphin and the old Woodlands Stud.  All three placegetters represented the female lines Darley bought from Woodlands.  Even the sire Sidestep goes back to there mares.  And even I forgot to respect Canny Lad blood in the mud - stupid of me I know!

I saw a Champion applauded for who she is and what she gives to her racing public.  No one stinted her in admiration or applause.  

I saw Avillius back to his brilliant best.  He has a wicked turn of foot - even on a wet track.

The Big colt had to do it tough.  That run took everything he had.  But you are missing the point.  A lesser colt wouldn't of bothered to fight down the straight - all the way down the straight.

Old mudlark Sebring got a look in in the last even if Egg Tart couldn't do it for me.

While three four year olds filled the placings in the G1 sprint and a three year old was fourth and fifth.   With Sunlight from last night maybe we are seeing a changing of the guard.  

So I only saw the pluses.  Of which there were plenty including the smiles on every face when Winx won.
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Originally posted by ChrisB ChrisB wrote:

No i love Winx! I just hate the end of her career here like Black Caviar. Rubbish racing.

TAS is nothing, I'd back my Tassie fave against him any day of the week. Vastly overrated as "best 3yo in ages" etc

On this we can agree. He's not even the best 3YO this year
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He's basically 9 from 9.

We can all love Mystic Journey without hating on The Autumn Sun.
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Originally posted by Paul Hogan Paul Hogan wrote:

Chris your assessment of a horse is silly bordering on dumb.

TAS ran 1.24.6 on a soft7 to Win a Group 2, first up!

And you say he is nothing. Well your wrong and he has proved it regardless of what happens going forward.

It is a bit silly to claim a horse is nothing after he has just proved he is something, common.


Mystic Journey would beat him.

Even as a biased Tassie person i don't think she's that special.

Just another G1 quality horse.
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

He's basically 9 from 9.

We can all love Mystic Journey without hating on The Autumn Sun.


Saying a horse is vastly overrated is not hating.

Get a grip.
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No ChrisB you are underestimating both the Tassy Filly and The Autumn Sun.  Don't you see.  That run might end him for the season.  It will certainly be hard to back up from.  It was gut busting.  Horses don't do that unless they are very very good.  The others just give in.

Your filly is magical on her feat and I don't think they are the same types.  But both appear to be better than you are rating them.
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Also look at the third horse who also finished 3rd in the VRC Derby.  This was the stayers out to play and the conditions made it a harder race.  Quite a few over from New Zealand in the race also - with better records than the second horse - but the one who liked the conditions put it's hand up.  Still got beaten.
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You make me wish I'd been there, furious!
So many beautiful brave horses today, my favourite type
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Originally posted by ChrisB ChrisB wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

He's basically 9 from 9.

We can all love Mystic Journey without hating on The Autumn Sun.


Saying a horse is vastly overrated is not hating.

Get a grip.


To say a horse that is 8 from 9 with 5 group 1s to his name is vastly overrated is totally losing your grip.

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Some very tired horses there today brave_ponies.  They lived up to your icon.
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Originally posted by ChrisB ChrisB wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

He's basically 9 from 9.

We can all love Mystic Journey without hating on The Autumn Sun.


Saying a horse is vastly overrated is not hating.

Get a grip.


To say a horse that is 8 from 9 with 5 group 1s to his name is vastly overrated is totally losing your grip.

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Originally posted by Paul Hogan Paul Hogan wrote:

Originally posted by Glencoe Glencoe wrote:


Determined but shows DOURNESS
Great in a racehorse but a no-no for an Oz Sire


That does not make any sense to me. His group 1 win over 1600 metres he ran 1.33.7.
'That is not Dour', that is the exact opposite that is Flying.

His last Win over 2000 metres was on a heavy 8. Maybe where the impression of Dourness comes from.

The track was on fire that day and they all ran time , granny could have run a hundred yards in even time that day, 10 sec. flat.
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Did I say I make mistakes.  Still typing up results for work.  I'm getting punch drunk.  Just typed in track heady.  Maybe my day is catching up with me.
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by ChrisB ChrisB wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

He's basically 9 from 9.

We can all love Mystic Journey without hating on The Autumn Sun.


Saying a horse is vastly overrated is not hating.

Get a grip.


To say a horse that is 8 from 9 with 5 group 1s to his name is vastly overrated is totally losing your grip.



You didn't have to write it twice.

And who's he beaten that you think is a future star?

Using wins and losses as only measure says a fair bit.
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I think the fact is he is a genuine group 1 horse.

His own performances are worthy of acknowledgement and he will go to stud with a record of being a five time group 1 winner.

However where we get a little exaggeration of his ability (which will no doubt be more amplified when he hits the stallion market) is that the horses he is beating are not of the highest quality.

There is a thread about the best All Star Mile field that we could get, and someone had Weekend Hussler in the field. He won all his group 1's against a EI hit Victoria spring, and then his best form was at the sprint distances in the autumn.

Octagonal was running group one performances, but he was also defeating horses who were providing group 1 performances like Saintly, Filante and Nothin Leica Dane as well as Mahogany in one of the best runs ever in a Cox Plate!

I heard Waller say after his Randwick Guineas win that he has not matured and that he has more growing to do. Now I am not a breeding expert, but I would think that being a sire when you are not fully matured, would mean your first crop or two are not going to be your best, that is why sires like Dundeel, Savabeel and some others in recent times have taken a few crops to get their better progeny gaining their bigger, wins, so why does every stud think that stopping a sires racing career at the end of their 3yo season is the correct way to optimise their potential.

He might be better, as Waller says, next season, but we will not find out because he will not be racing, and the 3yo's he is beating (except for the fillies) are, at the moment, not rating as well as previous crops.

In summary, he is the best of a bad lot of males, and that was confirmed today when Graff, Encryption and Ringerdingding failed. Brutal ran well, but he to my eye is the one who still needs to develop. He could be the top four year old in the spring.

          
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I admire this horse's character but will he provide acceleration to a mating? Acceleration is a pre-requisite in this country
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Originally posted by VOYAGER VOYAGER wrote:

I think the fact is he is a genuine group 1 horse.

His own performances are worthy of acknowledgement and he will go to stud with a record of being a five time group 1 winner.

However where we get a little exaggeration of his ability (which will no doubt be more amplified when he hits the stallion market) is that the horses he is beating are not of the highest quality.

There is a thread about the best All Star Mile field that we could get, and someone had Weekend Hussler in the field. He won all his group 1's against a EI hit Victoria spring, and then his best form was at the sprint distances in the autumn.

Octagonal was running group one performances, but he was also defeating horses who were providing group 1 performances like Saintly, Filante and Nothin Leica Dane as well as Mahogany in one of the best runs ever in a Cox Plate!

I heard Waller say after his Randwick Guineas win that he has not matured and that he has more growing to do. Now I am not a breeding expert, but I would think that being a sire when you are not fully matured, would mean your first crop or two are not going to be your best, that is why sires like Dundeel, Savabeel and some others in recent times have taken a few crops to get their better progeny gaining their bigger, wins, so why does every stud think that stopping a sires racing career at the end of their 3yo season is the correct way to optimise their potential.

He might be better, as Waller says, next season, but we will not find out because he will not be racing, and the 3yo's he is beating (except for the fillies) are, at the moment, not rating as well as previous crops.

In summary, he is the best of a bad lot of males, and that was confirmed today when Graff, Encryption and Ringerdingding failed. Brutal ran well, but he to my eye is the one who still needs to develop. He could be the top four year old in the spring.

          

You keep repeating this and it's rubbish. He beat Casino Prince, Desert War and Racing to Win pointless in the Ryder:


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Using one run on a goat track is evidence?

Desert War would clean up Weekend Hussler at a mile without a sweat on a good track.
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Like he did Haradasun.

Who was better than Weekend Hussler
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You don't really even understand what the conversation is about, do you, you poor sap?

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I have to say- you do have the worst attempted putdowns I've heard. You really are an absolute scrubber.
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5 group 1 wins from 9 starts. Wish I owned him!!!
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Agreed Lonhro absolutely destroyed some good open class fields travelling up hard on the bridle. TAS is getting his necked scrubbed off against some horses that will never run a place again in stakes races.
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