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Tlazolteotl
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It's amazing how bad all the form around TAS is at this stage. Definitely no franking credits on his form so far.
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Lordy
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Imagine what his fee would be then?
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Afros
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I'm surprised that anyone is surprised that his career has gone this way, once he won the Golden Rose and Caulfield Guineas his autumn was only going to be about padding out the stud fee.
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TJMitchell
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it's been a long day |
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TJMitchell
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You can have 70 if you race on at 4, 70 at 5 etc etc
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Tlazolteotl
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The single best thing you could do for racing worldwide is restrict stallions to 50 mares per season but that's mad talk.
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An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought.
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Carioca
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Yeah times have changed Red , and so has racing , move or get left behind, we all have our opinions and they will all differ , I half expected a bucketing lol, maybe still to come. |
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RED HUNTER
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How much would BRUTAL fetch at stud ?
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RED HUNTER
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Wonder if they don't want to meet "BRUTAL" too.
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Red Hare
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Hear what you're saying mate, but that lot (or ANY lot) would only change for 'the better' if 'the better' was coming their way.
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VOYAGER
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And this ladies and gentleman is why the breeding industry always has and always will control the racing industry! Not only did Messara up the prizemoney of certain races with the help of V'Landys (for example the Peter Pan which morphed into the Golden Rose was a waining, long forgotten group 3 going nowhere before these two got together), but they have neglected the stayng events leading into the Sydney Cup and Metrop. Unfortunately this has always been the case. The big stables in the 1800's were owned by the wealthy land owners especially wool and wheat) or publicans, or media owners, and it is no different now, just the occupations of the wealthy have changed. |
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Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise
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Lordy
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They do to a degree. Difference is there's a lot more students cred for horse that perform over longer distances in Europe. Because if that you will often see them race on as 4yos. Here they get retired as 3yos. Often before they've taken on open company. |
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jacko1
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True but if they were offered the carrots that are obtainable today for stallions do you think they would keep racing them? How many owners would turn down a payday of tens of millions.
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Passing Through
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pnclick
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Carioca
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But don't they do that o/s as well? My posts might drift back in time often but I say thank god for "the good old days" , the likes of TJ, Bart, Father Hoysted, Jack Green , and Maurice McCarten and sundry other top trainers gave the public what they wanted , that is the continual chance to see year in year out quality racing, would you ever see a champion entire come back from a 2 year convalescence today racing first up over 10 furlongs with no barrier trials against the best WFA around, I doubt it. |
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Jamal
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This is the problem with Australian racing. This is why the depth particularly at 2000m onwards is so weak....good Colts are retired too early. This is why one horse has been able to dominate for so long...the talent pool is weakened when the good Colts go to stud.
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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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TJMitchell
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I laugh at the price but you can be sure that if I owned even just a hoof and they came to me and said 'we're going to retire him and stand him for $77,000' I'd say yes in a heartbeat
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linghi11
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Hahahahaha they’re out of their mind |
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to the victor
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Jamal
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I saw on social.media this morning that The Autumn Sun has been retired.
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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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TJMitchell
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To the surprise of literally no one he has been retired. Will stand for $77,000
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Tlazolteotl
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As far as I can tell the only 3yos who have won the Tancred in this century - 2- did not make it to the derby. And the 3yos who did race in Tancred and derby or oaks ran poorly in the derby or oaks- Lasquetti Spirit's 5 length oaks third the best of them.
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An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought.
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TJMitchell
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Beauty Generation ran 4th I believe before heading over to HK
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Carioca
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I would back furious's knowledge against yours Chris B any day of the week. |
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Carioca
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/92 /93. /95, all 3yo winners fwiw.
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ChrisB
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Ah.......no. |
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Carioca
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Google BMW Tlaz, the Tancred has had 4 or 5 name changes and that's where it can confuse people , Mercedes, Kia, BMW, bla bla, Grand Zulu, Occy, Stony Bay, Myocard, Bonecrusher who beat another 3yo in Rant and Rave with another 3 yo Dolcezza 4th, oh and Beau Zam, there is a few more fwiw. |
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Tlazolteotl
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5.5star is the only 3yo winner I can recall in ages and he didn't start in derby or QE. In fact 5.5 is the only top 3yo I can recall even starting in Tancred in ages.
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An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought.
Simon Cameron |
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Carioca
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Did I say he was? |
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djebel
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We are the only country that runs its premier open aged 2400m race before its premier Derby. The Derby needs to be moved to 2 or 3 weeks before the Tancred with time for horses to freshen and go for the Queen Elizabeth. |
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reductio ad absurdum
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