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kavg
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I've done a search to no avail. Does anyone know if Benjamin Smith the trainer is related to old time, disqualified trainer Darren Smith?
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I sold one to him when he 1st got his licence & didn't get the impression that training was in his genes but it was only a feeling so not a great deal of help
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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RED HUNTER
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I asked this question recently and received NO response.
Reading this, says the probability of him being a brother to DARREN is zilch. quote (click and read all) Trainer Ben Smith eyes Breeders Classic with In His Time; Royal ...https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/.../trainer-ben-smith.../662f33d7847ed8369671aed4... Feb 2, 2017 - EVERY trainer needs to make sacrifices in the early days but no one should have to go an entire winter without hot water. That's exactly what Newcastle trainer Ben Smith did when he was trying to make his way in the ruthless racing caper some six years ago. Little more than one year after taking out his ... |
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If he is,it shouldn't worry you because just about every successful trainer is recognised as a CHEAT and crook,according to horse forums.
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I just had a feeling he took over from Darren when DQ occurred. He did take over the training of Testarhythm from Darren so I am thinking there is some sort of relationship-perhaps son.
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acacia alba
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I have ask a few locals and they say he isnt DS,s brother. However, to confuse matters, he does have a brother called Darren So I am still unsure. DS isnt old enough to be this bloke,s father. The age is more in line with a brother.
DS has his place on the market but they say he is asking too much, as its in the Williamtown contamination zone. Apparently Weir uses it for some of NSW horses at present . |
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Newcastle based Benjamin Smith is a fairly newcomer to the training ranks. Scone born and raised he is a son of Ian ‘Ginger’ Smith and a grandson of Graeme Smith; breeder and owner of some successful performers a few years ago. Graeme also stood the Sweet Moss stallion ‘
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He may be a cousin or nephew?
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The first article posted says his bother DANIEL is his foreman.
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Carioca
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I sincerely hope this young man is no relation, and I doubt it very much, not a great deal gets hidden in to days atmosphere.
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Benjamin Smith used to pretrain for Darren back when Darren trained.
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Carioca
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Would you say that's where the relationship ends linghi11? |
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RED HUNTER
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Darren Smith survives and has great reviews for his lodging at
SMITHFIELDS,WILLIAMTOWN |
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Well Dynamic has just moved over there... |
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Shawy38
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Not related at all.
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maccamax
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Most horses run to their ratings time after time. We have to allow for conditioning and " The Grand Finals " but LUCK in running accounts for most questionable runs.
I hope no one thought Osborne Bulls & Marble were "dead uns" when recent beaten favs. Only ONE winner per race and we have to find the reasons the rest weren't first past the post. |
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acacia alba
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I was just told by someone from Broadie that there is no relationship between Darren and Ben.
Ben,s brother is Daniel. Opinion is that Ben is a top bloke and nothing like Darren, but he got some of DS,s horses because he did work for him at one stage, pre training. He is a Scone boy, with roots, as Red has posted. |
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acacia alba
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All show ponies and most of it done by DS,s wife and daughter, who is a showy herself. No shortage of money either. Its in the con zone so they best make what they can of it as people wont buy in there . Rumur says DW might , if the price was right, but its only rumour . |
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goldey
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His last name is Smith, so is he related to Gai ?.Or Neddy. Or George, good rugby player.
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Carioca
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Very good rugby player was George, the other two I can't recall.
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RED HUNTER
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Bet you can remember BILLY SMITH
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acacia alba
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You arnt that far gone in oldtimers , Carioca !!!! |
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Carioca
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Now there's two Red, Billy half back for sainters or WA smith of a Melbourne Cup, maybe Hihg Jinx, not sure really. |
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Dunno about that AA, got one leg in the top paddock at times. |
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acacia alba
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At times. Most of us here have a foot in the paddock, at times, judging by our/their posts.
Your memory would stun a bullock. |
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RED HUNTER
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Rugby in WA is a dirty word ( I did know of the rugby player but BILLY the baby face is my man) NRL...should be ERL...EASTERN RUGBY LEAGUE less said about the "PRIVATE COLLEGE" Rugby......Talk to Twiggy Forrest.
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BILLY SMITH
AHHH..SAINT KILDA,yes.....around the time of Darryl Baldock?
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Carioca
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Nah Red Hunter lol, Billy Smith the mighty St George half back of years gone by. |
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RED HUNTER
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Carioca,I thought of the rugby player then got caught up with the SAINT reference and the answer is
Ross G. Smith Australian rules footballer |
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Getting back to DARREN SMITH
it appears that anyone training a horse,domiciled near NEWCASTLE, with the name SMITH is thought of as a relation to DARREN It ain't pretty.....never forgot the day DARREN was due to get time,one of a few at least, and he trained about 5 winners at NEWCASTLE on a Sunday meet....enough to tide him over for a long suspension
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