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It always concerns me when we get zealots quoting the internet experts who support their position over and over, but dismiss out of hand, anything that is of an opposing opinion ...
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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 Bought out my guilty conshence ( whale can fix that )So funny Doc .. But snakes do have legs .. Bill Shorten proof. |
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Not saying he is right or wrong, but Bjorn (not the Chemist from Warwick Farm via NZ!) has an interesting slant on things, and he does like to use current data ... hated by the Climate Alarmists, and the ABC accordingly!
Hmmm ... there really hasn't been much of a take up of Wind and Solar ... only makes up 0.8% of world energy ... we should rush to it though!  https://www.facebook.com/bjornlomborg/posts/10156541854473968
I agree with this! "Most people believe solar PV and wind to be major parts of today's energy. They're not, and we need to know. When you also realize that solar and wind will likely contribute a trivial part of the solution over the coming quarter century, then it becomes easier to understand why we need to spend lots more on R&D to make cheaper, green energy. And let's just dispel the idea that solar and wind is a win-win right now – they're incredibly costly at about $120bn this year in subsidies (for virtually no energy). Over the next 24 years we'll spend $3+ trillion, getting nowhere close to a solution. That's why I argue for strong increase in green R&D" |
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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$3+ TRILLION ... that's an awful lot of money to follow ...
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Its raining its raining its raining !!!!!!!!
 Since 4am. Steady soaking rain  First wet for 9 months  I have been out and slopped in it and its bliss !!! Bring it down Huey ! I just hope others are getting some as well. |
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Lol, because I smack down obvious fwitted ignorance and point out the obvious in regards to the blinkered ideology of some posters? Not even close, although it's patently clear from the bullgelati and ignorance of the main opposition that my quite profound ignorance is orders of magnitudes less that theirs on a number of fronts. The main difference is that the same posters - no need to list them, it should be obvious to any reader - are those with particular political bent - ie conservatives. I've done quite a bit of reading on AGW but as regards energy and economics I've barely scratched the surface. YET I have had no trouble whatsoever in picking out the utter nonsense sprouted by the thread author - simply because it's so utterly ignorant of most analysis and bereft of credible fact. No point in asking me general questions because (a) I'm no expert and (b) politics influence everything. If Labor gets in renewables will undoubtedly get somewhere back to where they were before the Abbott/Turnbull cuts but reading between the lines Shorten's priorities won't see his govt doing much about energy market and prices apart from fiddling at the fringes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Speaking of impact - iirc Gillard provided tax relief to offset the impact of that, and when the cons attained power those concessions were left intact. They varied according to income from memory and may have been overtaken in the last 2 years by the increasing cost of power (which as we know has sfa to do with AGW and renewables) but it's telling that people remember the costs but quickly forget the handouts. Just found these from the budget. One is particularly telling in regards to the Turnbull govt's attitude to low income earners - you know, many of those who the thread author's heart bled for (roflmao) above. As I replied, governments have plenty of capacity to provide relief and fix energy market problems, it's the will, and the actions, which count (applies to both major parties). Below are three statements/effects from the same Morrison budget. I'll leave you to work out the politics and the massive concern for low income earners and energy prices of the Turnbull govt: In recent years, those on low incomes have benefited from tax cuts and the carbon tax compensation that have been retained despite the carbon tax being abolished. People who move into the welfare system will get up to $14.10 less a fortnight as the government scraps carbon tax compensation for new recipients. Welfare changes will also abolish the single income family supplement from July 1, 2017. The supplement allows low income, single income families to boost their tax free threshold to as high as $36,000. It was designed to replicate the tax benefit received by dual income families. Those who were eligible before July will keep the supplement. One final comment, which shouldn't be necessary. By all means have some fun on TBV forums but if you want to be informed and comment on complex issues don't spend your hours reading tosh on TBV - including mine - hit up google and read some of the wealth of commentary and analysis available at a mouse click. |
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I must have glossed over them. Excuse my ignorance, point them out again. I've provided a number of links which demonstrate they're nonsense, including commentary from your favourite "news" outlets. There are plenty more. Simple facts are that: (a) our energy prices and the rapid rise in electricity costs has sfa to do with subsidies of renewables and (b) fossil fuel energy has received and continues to receive subsidies FAR higher than renewables. The HowCost tax concessions on gas alone are worth $40B+. As they say - read it and weep, if not for your country then for your own loud-mouthed benightedness.
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Count me in as well Macca. I'll take your approach any time over loud-mouthed, opinionated, blinkered, ideologically driven, ignorant tosh every time, although I do enjoy the irony which crops up regularly from the same keyboards.
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The only way I could ever imagine you "smacking down" anything, would be whilst you were alone in front of the bathroom mirror, and I prefer not to imagine that thanks all the same!  Are you sure you're not a cricketer from the subcontinent? ... with apologies to Billy Birmingham ... "next in to bat ... Jiwat Awankar" !!!
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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and doc most (all) of your posts go straight into the ravesh binny
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Hey Jiwat, you've finally won me over with your self-effacing attitude, so I'll walk you through it, and put you out of your misery ...
How much do Australia's citizens spend on subsidising solar and wind energy annually ... $
How much do Australia's citizens spend on subsidising coal fired energy annually ... $ Come on, you know these numbers! ... Ok, now; What percentage of Australia's total energy is produced by solar and wind ... $ What percentage of Australia's total energy is produced by coal ... $ You know you know these numbers ... now just apply the simple maths ... Now tell us, what energy source is subsidised at a higher rate, and is therefore more costly (as well as being UNRELIABLE, and UNNECESSARY) to the taxpayers who fund the renewable energy rent seekers, and to what degree ...? Come on, we believe in your intellect, even if you are still trying hard to convince yourself!  NOTE: Approximations are quite acceptable for the purpose of "modelling", but guessing is frowned upon, unlike what is acceptable as "Peer Reviewed  Climate Alarmist Settled Science!" |
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*Rubbish Binny
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Your prerogative 11. I may have been a tad harsh in your case but your long history in the GW thread suggests not. Your keenness to take on a couple of others above was the catalyst. Not that I have you pegged as one, but opinionated, tin-eared dressmakers on forums have exercised the no-read option for years, preferring their own opinions to reading, so it's nothing new to me or anyone else who reads public comments below articles. Don't bother asking questions if you aren't up to reading responses is my theory. I put some time into the one above but obviously shouldn't have bothered.
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Macca is undoubtedly wrong, but I wasn't referring to that as perhaps the second sentence might have suggested.
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No need to explain your limitations. We've known them for a long time. Your imagination is taken up by all consuming, puerile, hyperbolic prejudices. I must track down that post where you were, as usual, spitting childish epithets (old man shouting at the sky) at your usual targets complaining about their supposed outrage. The reply was obvious - like Judge's to Stayer above, but still hilarious. Your confected and hyperbolic outrage is orders of magnitude greater that the grossly exaggerated (in your tiny mind) "outrage" of "lefties" blah blah blah.
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I've given you links to numbers galore, all of which show clearly that your 700% claim was, like most of your posts on any number of topics, either pulled out of your @rse or a figment of your very limited and ideologically-tainted imagination (see above). Surely after a week you've been able to scrape up some other source of ignorance to back up your claims? There are any number of fwitted denier websites and conservative commentaries which rely on their readers' lack of knowledge, lack of skepticism and inability to think.
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A few interesting revelations made by a present employee of the BOM whose name is withheld for obvious reasons:
BR: Don't get me started about long range.... BR: But general forecasts are still mostly accurate but that depends a lot on personal interpretations....I wish I got a chance to make the forecasts, but the new GFE (computer based % chance stuff I am not a fan of) and it frustrates those who have a passion for how things were done the old fashioned way (like myself). The wording is robotic with precis inconsistencies but GFE was designed for everyone in the country so you can click your spot on the planet and get a forecast generated from a coded pixel.....it might have more reach but there is a lot less love. BR: I could go on all day because I constantly find myself in the middle of defending some aspects and hating on others....so get a bit much after a while. AVW: Yeah I remember I used to speak to Ward Rooney and the day the computerized stuff took over was the day he resigned from the BOM. GC: Nice insights here - loved Ward Rooney. Today: GE: BOMs radar system is a shambles. Adelaide, Melbourne, Brisbane all not working atm. BR: it's bloody comms issues thanks to the mid life upgrades, radar themselves are fine! very very frustrating, like trying to get a 2yo to eat their veggies. |
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I've had a family member crying to me .. He is on Acres in the Hunter Region and they are in real strife with drought ATM. After about 8 years of great weather and beef profits , Not a dollar spent to enlarge dams , stock up on hay . NOTHING . > It's all Governments fault.
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Don't tell me you've given up then?  ... I'm sorry, but it wouldn't be fair to your own development if I just spoon feed you. Come on, I've given you all the hints I can, and you seem to have already cut and pasted all of the relevant numbers at some stage (if not, you may need to read some more ... now you MUST USE YOUR BRAIN! If you still find yourself deficient, don't be embarrassed ... ASK AN ADULT FOR ASSISTANCE!  YEP, SEVEN TIMES MORE EXPENSIVE!
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Haven't you already done that exercise for TBV members Dr E ? Not all that long ago either if memory serves me correctly. Would seem some on here are struggling to keep up (no names no pack drill) !
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-19/bhp-threatens-minerals-council-withdrawal/9271472
BHP set to leave World Coal Association, threatens Minerals Council withdrawalBy business reporter Michael Janda Updated 19 Dec 2017, 6:11pm Australian mining giant BHP is set to pull out of the World Coal Association and is threatening to leave the Minerals Council of Australia over differences on climate change policy. The company has published a 22-page report outlining key climate and energy policy differences between it and several of the lobby groups it is a member of. The review has found material differences between BHP's position and the position of the Minerals Council of Australia (MCA), the US Chamber of Commerce and the World Coal Association (WCA). BHP said it has reached a preliminary view to exit the WCA, with a final decision due by the end of March. The company said it is also considering its future as part of the US Chamber of Commerce, again with a decision due by the end of March. BHP has indicated its desire to remain part of the MCA "given the high level of benefit BHP derives from membership", but the company has said it will request the MCA refrain from policy activity and advocacy in these areas of difference on climate and energy policy. The company said it will review its membership of the MCA if the organisation has not stopped such activity within the next 12 months. BHP disagrees with Minerals Council coal-power lobbyingBHP has identified two main differences with the MCA on climate and energy policy. The first is the MCA's argument that energy policy should prioritise reliability and affordability over other policy goals — BHP said it believes climate and energy policy are "inextricably linked" and "should be considered on an integrated basis". The second major difference is the MCA's advocacy for policy changes that would favour so-called high-efficiency low-emissions (HELE) coal power stations and a new coal-fired power plant in the La Trobe Valley. A move to withdraw would be a massive blow to Australia's peak mining lobby group — not only would it lose credibility if the nation's, and world's, biggest miner pulled out, but BHP's annual subscription fee of $1.86 million accounted for around 17 per cent of the MCA's revenue last year. The "high level of benefit" BHP obtains from the MCA includes the lobby group's highly effective campaign against the Resource Super Profits Tax (RSPT) in 2010 that ultimately contributed to the Labor Party ousting Kevin Rudd as its leader and prime minister and installing Julia Gillard, who subsequently negotiated the watered-down Minerals Resource Rent Tax (MRRT) with the big miners. One of the organisations that had pushed BHP to ditch its MCA membership over climate issues, the Australasian Centre for Corporate Responsibility, said it welcomed the company's "extraordinary" decision to leave the WCA, but feels it could have gone further. "This is a message that even organisations, like BHP, with large coal assets, do not value aggressive anti-climate lobbying," ACCR executive director Brynn O'Brien said. "However, BHP's equivocation in relation to membership of the MCA, in giving the MCA another 12 months to change its tune on coal, points to the highly-charged environment in which climate policy is made in Australia. "We also have concerns about the review's failure to evaluate, in detail, the activities of other organisations, for example, the NSW Minerals Council, and Queensland Resources Council, who in some ways take positions even more at odds with BHP's than those taken by the MCA.more.... World Coal Association response |
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Yes indeed! ... it's a shame that some would prefer to cut and paste lies, rather than READ!
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Referring to me 11? Have some courage, it's an anonymous forum and no-one's coming to get you. I can deal with criticism, esp from those who have trouble grasping basic concepts of science and economics. I particularly enjoy exposing the gross ignorance and stupidity (okay that usually speaks for itself) of apoplectic conservatives . My advice to you - again. Try reading more than the headlines, try thinking outside the square where economics are concerned (in the case of energy costs in Australia the big picture has already been analysed many times, all you gotta do is search and read). A lot to ask I know but it's never too late to start for anyone who isn't ideologically blinkered and puerile.
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Keep hitting your head on that wall, it might help to loosen up some of what's left of the inactive grey matter. The economics are simple enough although you and your cowering follower (("no names, no pack drill" lol) appear to be still struggling. Not surprising since you both appear reluctant to read more than the tea leaves, and on evidence of this forum you both struggle to do basic analysis. It's more than safe to say that it's lucky you're not in business or investment (or come to think of it anything else where important decisions are involved). One of the first rules of business is that all costs have to be accounted for, not just those you want to deal with. Economic and scientific novices, esp puerile ideologically driven ones, regularly put their own opinions ahead of those who have done the work, have the knowledge and expertise, and have the capacity to consider all inputs and outputs of the systems they're analysing. Your 700% is simplistic garbage. If you did come across something to that effect it was likely burley aimed at naive and compliant, but in your case it's more likely to be a figment of your apoplectic mind. Must admit I did learn a few things on this thread. (1) Renewable energy is a leftist/socialist plot, and the cause of our exorbitant electricity prices. Hilarious, stupid, and patently wrong, but there we have it. (2) The intelligence of Cory Bernardi and the sadly defunct Malcolm Roberts might not be as low as I thought. There are even deeper depths to plumb. (3) Scientists need to study the human colon's "second brain" much more closely.
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I think our SCIENTISTS gave us Cane Toads a few moons ago .
A recent article published, predicted the rising sea levels would be a danger to coastal residents . With some in depth detail as to the urgency of preparing for this rapid rise of water. It lost some meaning when it was revealed the date was 1922 and levels are still much the same.. |
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God gave us cane toads maxie. Not sure what he was thinking
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