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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

You should get your name on the possibles and probables for the Greens next senate candidacy.




so any compassionate, sensible approach attracts the "ultimate " insult from you Confused

Not any, just those that fit the agenda. And if you want compassion for that violent Sudanese criminal you also fit the bill.

I'd prefer to have compassion for the ones that can be isolated from him.

Maybe a life surfing on the Byron coast with the dole raised to the same level as the retired pensioners will prevent these poor people from committing more crime.
And it's in a Green area.

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According to a community leader yesterday, these kids are mostly first generation Australian citizens and he said they would benefit from a week in Sth Sudan to give them some perspective
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I'm currently on holiday in Daylesford. No crime here. No Sudanese, Kiwis and few kids full stop. Lovely place I can thoroughly recommend. Everyone seems to have a job too.
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Ineffective policing of laws, creates a wide variety of social ills. But the laws have to be fair, a dole payment of $250 a week is below basic sustenance levels.
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According to a community leader yesterday, these kids are mostly first generation Australian citizens and he said they would benefit from a week in Sth Sudan to give them some perspective

No, just give them more money.
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Originally posted by ThreeBears ThreeBears wrote:

I'm currently on holiday in Daylesford. No crime here. No Sudanese, Kiwis and few kids full stop. Lovely place I can thoroughly recommend. Everyone seems to have a job too.


Is a nice spot but too many same sex couples for many on this forum, they may catch something Confused
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LOL Whale. That's true. The hard core lesbians may frighten the crap out of some.
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Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

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According to a community leader yesterday, these kids are mostly first generation Australian citizens and he said they would benefit from a week in Sth Sudan to give them some perspective


No, just give them more money.

Absolutely give them more, if they satisfy eligibility requirements. If they then go out an commit crime, hit them like a ton of bricks, they won't have "economic circumstance" as an excuse.
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No mention of the non Sudanese criminals that mostly organise these people because they are minors? 
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

No mention of the non Sudanese criminals that mostly organise these people because they are minors? 

If that is a known fact, why hasn't the plod caught up to them ?
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   Yes , more money Scamanda , solves everything.
Fixes the Rates, Electricity, water < sewerage etc increases .
Cures Global warming in Oz ,    The Deep Freeze in the USA.

Buys grog for Alexander Downer ,   Pays fines for Turnbull ( not wearing a water seat belt ) > all about money.

But how do these people get past the medical to gain entry.
They say he had Mental Illness prior to migration.

Then again Psychiatrists are crazy too ..   I forgot.
Charging peoples brain with electricity and filling kids up with central nervous system stimulants, like RITALIN = they must be mad.
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What they really need maxie is wealthy Chinese donors like the Liberal Party has
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Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

According to a community leader yesterday, these kids are mostly first generation Australian citizens and he said they would benefit from a week in Sth Sudan to give them some perspective


No, just give them more money.

Absolutely give them more, if they satisfy eligibility requirements. If they then go out an commit crime, hit them like a ton of bricks, they won't have "economic circumstance" as an excuse.

Or they can do what some of us had to do when we needed work.  It's a relatively new concept.
Any that re-offend are sent to a prison where they work for nothing other than their keep.
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Then again Psychiatrists are crazy too ..   I forgot.
Charging peoples brain with electricity and filling kids up with central nervous system stimulants, like RITALIN = they must be mad.[/QUOTE]

Get the nurses to treat mentally ill patients then and the psychiatrists to clean up the s h t LOL
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

What they really need maxie is wealthy Chinese donors like the Liberal Party has


I thought Dastyari was a Labor man ..    Shows how little I know.
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Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

What they really need maxie is wealthy Chinese donors like the Liberal Party has


I thought Dastyari was a Labor man ..    Shows how little I know.

You are probably right. What use practical would they have for a brown paper bag full of Rolexes? 
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Stop deflecting PT.
How many jobs do you have up at your local coffee shop?

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Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

Stop deflecting PT.
How many jobs do you have up at your local coffee shop?


Not many, but they could do with some trades training if only those programs still existed
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If young people out in the community are obliged either to be learning or earning, I fail to see why those in jails are not. languishing in a jail learning nothing except more bad habits, the system is a failure. Asked whether young people who are jailed, come out rehabilitated, a prison head honcho gave a concise reply. " No".
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

Stop deflecting PT.
How many jobs do you have up at your local coffee shop?


Not many, but they could do with some trades training if only those programs still existed

Plenty of training available, as jackaroos on sheep and cattle stations across the country.
They'd get paid, get free meals and accommodation, and the skills to be progress into other careers in agriculture/horticulture.
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

According to a community leader yesterday, these kids are mostly first generation Australian citizens and he said they would benefit from a week in Sth Sudan to give them some perspective
Well imagine how much "perspective" they will gain after 10 years. PERFECT !
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& get over it please Scamanda. You do realise its our fault don't you ?
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Good point oneone ,     a bit generous ,   50 years would be nearer the mark.
You will never make sheep to be safe, when penned with foxes & wild dogs .

      No need to elaborate other than to reiterate that first generations are exposed to being reared to a different cultures views.
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

No mention of the non Sudanese criminals that mostly organise these people because they are minors? 


Do They? Can you point me in the direction that told you that non Sudanese criminals that mostly organise these people because they are minors?
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& get over it please Scamanda. You do realise its our fault don't you ?

Ah yes, because we did pluck them from their preferred environment and force them to live in a country that is entirely alien to them.

Well no. We have the capacity to employ all of the offending criminals who are released because of their horrendous past. And if they don't want one of those jobs a prison farm would be the next step.

A working sheep and cattle station where they work under armed guard and detained under lock and key over night and let out for work each day. Not to mention a few days walk from the nearest town or neighbor.
No need to tempt an escape. Or electronic anklets.

There are plenty of stations for sale around the country. It might even end up making a profit.
And it would employ skilled employees to train them, as well as employ the guards, and cooks etc.

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Top post Scamanda, covered the lot, nip it in the bud before it's too late.
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Then again Psychiatrists are crazy too ..   I forgot.
Charging peoples brain with electricity and filling kids up with central nervous system stimulants, like RITALIN = they must be mad.


Get the nurses to treat mentally ill patients then and the psychiatrists to clean up the s h t LOL
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PT your stat's are disingenuous as you know Smile it is not mere numbers  Sudanese crime rate is 6 times the average by % population
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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

PT your stat's are disingenuous as you know Smile it is not mere numbers  Sudanese crime rate is 6 times the average by % population

I never said they weren't, just posting the raw numbers to look at the extent of the problem

I believe in all crime, Sudanese represent 1.5%, yet are .5% of the population, but they are only police estimates because the Vic govt doesn't classify crime into ethnic groups for official stats, I have read. In some crimes they represent up to 6% according to police estimates.


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Statistics can be twisted to make a point, but the optics are pretty bad with these people.
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