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Breeding Above All
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He’s said numerous times Almandin isn’t a WFA or at least alluded to it.. Almandin is the stables premier horse because Nick and Lloyd have trained him for over a year now, whilst others are mostly Aidens progeny.. likes to keep him safe for Cup
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3blindmice
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Most would probably agree in vintage years but you don't have to be a "WFA" horse in this country if you're a decent stayer. Arguably might have won the Australian Cup with a clear run, at a distance well short of his best.
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Xavier
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Group 1 win and I still haven’t seen him
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Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes
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djebel
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Liam HowleyImportant Notes:
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reductio ad absurdum
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linghi11
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Attributing G1 wins to him is just ridiculous imho makes a mockery of trainers who are actually in charge of their winners
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to the victor
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djebel
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Which trainers are they ? How much say do you think Australian Bloodstock have in the placement of their horses ? Like ALL trainers, Liam Howley does as he is told. |
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reductio ad absurdum
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Smoke and Mirrors
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Who is Liam Howley? I’ve never seen him or heard him speak on radio.
Does he even exist? |
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"Go Hard or Go Home”
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djebel
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I wonder if Hickmott has signed a confidentiality agreement, Has he spoke of his experience at Mt Macedon ?
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reductio ad absurdum
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Carioca
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Fishing again djebel, ...even the drovers dog knows that's a gimme.
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linghi11
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to the victor
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Afros
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I don't understand why Lloyd stirs up so much angst here yet Stan Johnstone in Qld doesn't worry anyone, tall poppy syndrome I guess.
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linghi11
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Nobody much cares for Qld racing |
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to the victor
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linghi11
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I’d say it’s reverse tall poppy- I would like the training genius behind the wins of iconic races like Melbourne Cup to be recognised as the trainer, not an interchangeable middle man.
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to the victor
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ThreeBears
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Interesting runner entered for Lloyd in the Irish Derby this weekend named Latrobe. Another 3yo NH horse trained by Joseph O'Brien for the Cup this year?
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djebel
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Not if he wins on Sunday morning 😊
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reductio ad absurdum
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Sneck
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People just don't like bullgelati. |
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Lord Hybrow
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The stable has an interesting entrant in the BM78 over 2400m at Sandown on Wednesday.
An Irish horse called STREETCAR TO STARS, a rising 8yo by Sea The Stars, who has a couple of black type placings back in Ireland in a 5 start career. Lloyd imported him to Australia way back in October 2014.......so what on earth has the horse been doing for the past 4 years? |
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Prince of Penzance
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No idea but he is only a 7yo
Doesn’t turn 8 Until April |
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Afros
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Fair chance he's had a number of races down here, just none officially
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ThreeBears
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And win he did at 17/1. We wont be seeing Latrobe downunder any time soon unless he makes a stud visit. It was a Coolmore boat race with the three up front pretty much keeping their positions throughout the running. Saxon Warrior had every chance trailing the first two with cover and in third place he remained. SW simply doesn't stay 2400m IMO. Back to ten furlongs for him and a race like the Juddmonte at York.
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Prince of Penzance
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Streetcar to Stars first up for nearly four years over 2400m on wed at sandown
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Prince of Penzance
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Ran a super race |
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TJMitchell
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Probably understandable to run out of condition late first up over 2400m for 203 weeks
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RESIGNED to almost certainly being without last season’s Melbourne Cup stars Rekindling and Johannes Vermeer, owner Lloyd Williams’ search for replacement spring firepower will turn to Flemington on Saturday.
Rekindling and Johannes Vermeer, last year’s Cup quinella, are unlikely to be seen until the end of the spring carnival — if at all — after suffering minor setbacks. The pair’s absence means six-time Cup-winning owner Williams will now rely on familiar and unseen stock. Sir Edwin Landseer, a Galileo four-year-old, is first emergency in the 2000m Allsop Handicap. Exemplar, a lightly raced five-year-old who has been placed at Group 2 and 3 level in Ireland, is in the 1700m VRC Members Handicap. Belgravia, who has form around Rekindling in Ireland, has been scratched from the same race. Despite the likelihood of Rekindling and Caulfield and Melbourne Cup placegetter Johannes Vermeer both being absent until late in the carnival, Macedon Lodge still has enviable options. There is a chance Irish Derby winner Latrobe, trained by Joseph O’Brien in Ireland, could fly the flag for Williams and his co-owners in either the Cox Plate or Melbourne Cup. Almandin, the 2016 Cup winner, remains a chance to contest the Cup again. Williams’ trainer Liam Howley will saddle imports Kilimanjaro and Crocodile Rock in the 2500m O’Connell Handicap at Flemington on Saturday. |
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djebel
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After suffering minor set backs.
That is bad luck for the horses but serves Williams right for throwing away a lucrative autumn for no good bloody reason. |
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reductio ad absurdum
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djebel
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Some people would have been happy. In Bacchus Marsh, Dosen used the victim’s credit card to buy more than $2000 worth of goods at a petrol station, including purchases for other customers.
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reductio ad absurdum
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Lord Hybrow
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Plan Ciel & Yogi were obviously great runs in the last at Caulfield today.
But I thought HARRISON ran a very good race in finishing 4th over a distance massively short of his preferred trip. His form back in the UK over 2400m+ was actually pretty good around the lines of St Michel, Dal Harrild & Housesofparliament. Maybe this guy could be Lloyd’s ‘sleeper’ for the Cups. |
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Lord Hybrow
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I’ve had a little go at HARRISON at big odds for both the AJC Metropolitan & for the Melb Cup.
But even if he doesn’t measure up to those races, I think he’s Lloyd’s best chance today at MV. Excellent run when resuming over 1600m beaten only 1.1 lengths by PLAN CIEL and the step up to 2040m now. Drawn well and has weight advantage over main rivals. |
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Mug-Punter
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Haven't had a winner since May. Still to early for Lloyds horses to hit form for mine. With the two stable heavy weights out for most of the spring will be interesting to see if any of the current cattle measures up over the next month or so.
Not that Lloyd would be concerned. He will just buy something that O'Brien has entered. |
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