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out of a population of 1.4 billion? aus has a similar ratio. i'm more concerned for us. And you pt?
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You can't argue with the facts ...

A Current Affair Rides Out Slow News Week With New Story About Asians Buying Baby Formula


After managing a weeks worth of programming on the back of neighbours from hell, dodgy doctors and undesirably, updates on what is happing on The Voice, an A Current Affair staffer is wondering if it’s too soon to run the same story about Asians buying baby formula in the supermarket.

A Current Affair ‘journalist’ Kimberly Spackman (32) has previously run a story about a large number of predominantly Asian shoppers who load up on baby formula to sell in China at a premium price, making access to the product more difficult for those who already deal with the stigma of not breastfeeding in the first place.

According to Spackman, it’s the kind of story A Current Affair viewers are interested in seeing, as it causes outrage, victimises average Australians and demonises Asians.

Although Spackman aired a story about this very issues two months ago, she is hoping that it is not too soon to air the story again and is hopeful the average ACA viewer will not notice or mind.

“Every time we air the story about shoppers sending trolleys full of baby formula to China we are inundated with feedback from our viewers,” stated Spackman.

“I’d read some of the comments but I think that might be classified as a hate crime.”

When the segment last aired, Spackman presented the story with interviews from a disgruntled mother of two who claimed to have ‘nothing against orientals’ intercut with smartphone footage taken inches from the face of an Asian woman loading her trolley with baby formula while ignoring the questioning from a bloke twice her size.

“That’s really hot footage because it shows how these people who aren’t breaking any laws are not willing to explain the many complexities of the state of Chinese baby formula to someone who is filming them in public.”

In a recent statement by Spackman, she states it’s likely she will run the story next week as people want to watch it and Australia hasn’t had an incident of ‘Asian-bashing’ since that woman tried to reserve a car space simply by standing in the spot a couple of months back.

“However, it’s certainly not Asian bashing. They are doing this, it’s happening and if people who already don’t like Asians find themselves getting outraged by this how is that my fault?”

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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Originally posted by Isaac soloman Isaac soloman wrote:

out of a population of 1.4 billion? aus has a similar ratio. i'm more concerned for us. And you pt?

If you dont believe China's problem have and will impact us immensely, what is the point of this thread?
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Did you watch sixty minutes piece on chinas involvement in our near neighbors,  last night pt? 

China is something of a cancer; mostly slow to begin, suddenly full blown and too late to do anything about it.

why is china so secretive pt? for a people who claim to be the world stage they are very thin skinned, cry baby and bullies, not very adult, diplomatic, at all.

point of the thread? same as the trump thread, keep readers informedLOL
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You wont get any argument from me Isaac. I was shouted down her for pointing out the influence on our northern and Pacific neighbours at least 8 years ago. I posted about the East Timor /China cooperation where China provided them with patrol boats and constructed govt buildings for them, and the Chinese economic arc over Australia's northern neighbours.

The only reason this was happening was because we neglected those countries and handed them China with promises of huge spending to help them grow. 

That 60 Minutes crap lost me after 3 minutes. Just typical NINE rubbish ''journalism''. 

They made a big deal of China setting up military bases in Djibouti. They didn't say that the biggest US base in Africa is in Djibouti or that Saudi as well as France Britain and even Japan has military bases there.The China ONOR project relies entirely on the Suez Canal for access to Europe It would be incredible if they didn't set up a base on the mouth of the Suez to protect their shipping interests as every other country with bases does there to protect their shipping interests particularly from piracy.
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why is china hell bent on world domination pt?

is it a personality complex thing?

what was wrong with how it was?

why the rise up mentality? 

is it pay back for perceived wrongs committed in the past?
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Originally posted by Isaac soloman Isaac soloman wrote:

why is china hell bent on world domination pt?

is it a personality complex thing?

what was wrong with how it was?

why the rise up mentality? 

is it pay back for perceived wrongs committed in the past?


By “how it was” do you mean having western powers dominant in Asia? For the first time in a long time it’ll actually be an Asian country. Is going to be China and the rest of us are going to have to deal with it.
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oh, another respondent, not just a conversation between pt and myself.

typical judge, just a slam dunk, no explanation.

why will it be good to have chinese rulers?

powers have see sawed through out history, why do the chinese see the necessity to dominate now? is it pay back?


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as shown by sixty minutes, why do the chinese import their own labor for the work and not use the locals?

not exactly community minded, are they. but then, that is not chinese nature, is it? 

whilst you proclaim stuff about trump and his charities, for example, what of china and its community mindedness?

conveniently over looked.....
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China is acting in its perceived self interest. All great powers in history have looked to extend their influence, China is no different. But nevertheless see this very as having “Chinese rulers”.
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Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

China is acting in its perceived self interest. All great powers in history have looked to extend their influence, China is no different. But nevertheless I see this very as having “Chinese rulers”.
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Originally posted by Isaac soloman Isaac soloman wrote:

why is china hell bent on world domination pt?

is it a personality complex thing?

what was wrong with how it was?

why the rise up mentality? 

is it pay back for perceived wrongs committed in the past?

Is this a trick question?
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Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

China is acting in its perceived self interest. All great powers in history have looked to extend their influence, China is no different. But nevertheless see this very as having “Chinese rulers”.


what is that?

so you admit to chinese rulers....why will this be ...good?

chinese human rights is pretty abysmal. what will they do for ordinary Australians?

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Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

China is acting in its perceived self interest. All great powers in history have looked to extend their influence, China is no different. But nevertheless I see this very as having “Chinese rulers”.


Very “different” from having Chinese rulers, is what I meant to say.
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

You wont get any argument from me Isaac. I was shouted down her for pointing out the influence on our northern and Pacific neighbours at least 8 years ago. I posted about the East Timor /China cooperation where China provided them with patrol boats and constructed govt buildings for them, and the Chinese economic arc over Australia's northern neighbours.

The only reason this was happening was because we neglected those countries and handed them China with promises of huge spending to help them grow. 

That 60 Minutes crap lost me after 3 minutes. Just typical NINE rubbish ''journalism''. 

They made a big deal of China setting up military bases in Djibouti. They didn't say that the biggest US base in Africa is in Djibouti or that Saudi as well as France Britain and even Japan has military bases there.The China ONOR project relies entirely on the Suez Canal for access to Europe It would be incredible if they didn't set up a base on the mouth of the Suez to protect their shipping interests as every other country with bases does there to protect their shipping interests particularly from piracy.

it was about china, not america.

shame you tuned out so soon, you would have learned a thing or two, instead of continuing your blind devotion for china....

in fact, as a matter of balance pt you should have watched.

unlike youLOL
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I read and listen to a lot about China, some excellent resources out there from security groups and think tanks. That last night was not a good source of information.
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what was it then?

happens to be on mainstream tv; but i can make up my own mind, and my observations say that china is not as benevolent that you pt and others make out to be.

you cant seem to answer the most basic of why they are ramping up their influence/invasion.


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The 60 Minutes story China tried to stop from airingBy Charles Wooley

Around six o’clock on the afternoon of Tuesday 12th June, the Executive Producer of 60 Minutes, Kirsty Thomson, received a phone call from the Chinese Embassy in Canberra.

On the line was Ms. Saxian Cao, the embassy’s head of media affairs.

In Australian political culture spin-doctors and media affairs managers usually apply charm and persuasion (at least initially) when dealing with news media bosses, so this was a call which Thomson characterised as ‘unusual’.

She made notes.

“Right from the outset this person was aggressive, threatening and loud,” Thomson said.

“She shouted at me, ‘Take this down and take it to your leaders!’ “

Cao’s concern was a 60 Minutes report scheduled for the following Sunday on the growing Chinese diplomatic, financial and military influences in the Pacific region.

It was a topical subject in a week that had seen the Chinese tech giant Hauwei blocked from further involvement in the Australian 5G network.

At the same time, on advice from security agencies, Australia had just applied its foreign aid budget to out-manoeuver (and significantly underprice) Hauwei’s bid to construct an under-water internet cable connecting the Solomon Islands and Papua New Guinea.

After a long period of apparent somnolence regarding Chinese influence in Australia and the Pacific, an Australian push back is now on.

China is of course offended on many fronts, not least by the intended bi-partisan federal Espionage and Foreign Interference Bill and the Foreign Influence Transparency Bill, which it is taking personally.

The Chinese should temper their annoyance. So far the impending legislation appears to contain nothing that doesn’t already exist in many developed nations, including China.he Australian Government’s recent push back against Chinese influence in our region and our affairs may go a long way to explain the intemperate language and the anger expressed by China’s Ms. Cao towards a Channel 9 executive producer.

Cao may have been channeling the rage of a regime only accustomed to getting its own way. She might not yet understand that unlike in China, in our system Thomson does not work for, nor does she do the bidding of Canberra.

“You will listen,” the embassy-official shouted down the phone.

“There must be no more misconduct in the future.”

Beyond general anger and outrage, Thomson said there didn’t seem to be much specific substance to the complaint other than Cao’s assertion that 60 Minutes had filmed exteriors of the Chinese Embassy in Vanuatu ‘illegally’ and ‘without permission’.

Thomson refutes this. “The filming was done from a public space and there was no trespass,” she said.

Cao also complained that the film crew used a drone to overfly the embassy, violating safety and security. Not so, says Thomson.

“The drone was launched from a car park and did not over-fly the embassy.”

The phone call did not end amicably with Ms. Cao “reserving the right to take further action.”

According to Thomson the Chinese official shouted in parting, “You will not use that footage.”   

Alien though the notion of a free media is to the Chinese, it is an inconvenience they will have to deal with in Australia.

Shouting at an editor or a producer might work in China but in this country such behavior will not scotch a story.

Indeed it is likely only to generate more reportage and comment.

At first Ms. Cao had attempted to discuss her grievances much further up the Channel 9 corporate totem pole but had been quite rightly referred down to the Executive Producer’s desk at the coalface of reportage.

Chinese political elites generally believe that western global coverage of China tends to be biased and unfair.

It is certainly true that both China and Australia have a lot to learn about each other.

Our commercial relationship has proven of the utmost importance to both countries but as Labor’s Penny Wong observed this weekend, what is most important for that relationship is the application of ‘tact’.

Shouting and finger wagging is anything but tactful and nothing but counterproductive.

Ms. Cao at the Chinese Embassy in Canberra might also appreciate that if she disagrees with anything in this account there is space here to publish her right of reply.

Even if we don’t agree with it, we will publish it. That’s how a free media works in this country.  

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Does China’s new South Pacific mega-wharf pose a risk to Australia?

By Lydia Bilton • 60 Minutes Digital Producer

The construction of a vast wharf in the key strategic outpost of Luganville, funded by Beijing’s development budget, has Australian security analyst Dr Malcolm Davis increasingly concerned.

“Since 1942, we have not had to worry about any sort of military threat against our east coast and the potential (now) exists,” Dr Davis told 60 Minutes.

These projects include a recently built convention centre, so big the government can’t even afford its electricity bills. Picture: 60 MinutesThese projects include a recently built convention centre, so big the government can’t even afford its electricity bills. Picture: 60 Minutes

“If we don't counter-balance China, then we could be forced into a situation whereby we end up in a more major power conflict.”

“We need to take that prospect seriously.”

In recent years China’s Pacific policy has seen it appeal to penniless South Pacific nations by investing in infrastructure projects under the guise of aid. Picture: 60 MinutesIn recent years China’s Pacific policy has seen it appeal to penniless South Pacific nations by investing in infrastructure projects under the guise of aid. Picture: 60 MinutesAustralian security analyst Dr Malcolm Davis warns what might seem like much needed economic assistance is part of an aggressive, expansionist tactic by the rising superpower. Picture: 60 MinutesAustralian security analyst Dr Malcolm Davis warns what might seem like much needed economic assistance is part of an aggressive, expansionist tactic by the rising superpower. Picture: 60 Minutes

During the World War II, Luganville was the second largest American naval base in the South Pacific but, as Dr Davis warns, the latest development could soon see China’s navy having a safe harbour in the Pacific. 

“(The wharf) is large enough to accommodate large Chinese naval service combatants, guided missile destroyers and cruisers,” Dr Davis told reporter Tom Steinfort.

“We could talk an aircraft carrier as well.”

While the Chinese government insists the Luganville wharf was built to support Vanuatu’s emerging tourism trade, Dr Davis says the immense, half-kilometre long wharf is overkill for the cruise industry.

A taxi driver in Vanuatu’s capital Port Vila, William Taback voices his concern over the superfluous Chinese construction projects. Picture: 60 MinutesA taxi driver in Vanuatu’s capital Port Vila, William Taback voices his concern over the superfluous Chinese construction projects. Picture: 60 Minutes

“The Chinese wouldn’t be building this just to cash in on a very limited tourist market,” Dr Davis said.

“There’s got to be more to it. They're thinking commercial influence, political influence and ultimately a military presence.”

According to Dr Davis, China is notorious for ‘debt trap diplomacy’, lending to penniless nations under the guise of aid.

“What the Chinese tend to do is that they put heavy investment into countries that simply don’t have the means to pay back the debt,” Dr Davis tells Steinfort.

“If China can get a country so deep in debt that it can’t pay back that debt, then they will take something else in return ... (like a) port.”

Last year China took control of the major Sri Lankan port of Hambantota built using Beijing’s development budget, when the subcontinental country failed to repay their debt.

Dr Davis believes the China’s one-party government is looking to practice the same kind of debt trap diplomacy with the Luganville wharf.

“The projects (China) are investing in are too big for our country.&quot; Picture: 60 Minutes“The projects (China) are investing in are too big for our country." Picture: 60 Minutes

“The Chinese would be hoping Vanuatu couldn't keep up with the debt repayments,” Dr Davis said.

Vanuatu’s Foreign Minister Ralph Regenvanu denies that the Luganville wharf has been built with any military objective in mind, insisting its sole purpose is to bring an economic boost to his struggling nation.

“We have built the wharf for our economic development,” Mr Regenvanu told Steinfort.

“We want Luganville to become a major commercial hub not only for Vanuatu but for the region.”

Vanuatu’s Foreign Minister Ralph Regenvanu denies that the Luganville wharf has been built with any military objective in mind. Picture: 60 MinutesVanuatu’s Foreign Minister Ralph Regenvanu denies that the Luganville wharf has been built with any military objective in mind. Picture: 60 Minutes

Mr Regenvanu assured Steinfort that China would never take the wharf, but acknowledged the subtler price expected by China from all Pacific nations it invests in – voting support for the superpower on critical issues at the United Nations.

When asked by Steinfort if he considered that to be bribery, Mr Regevanu replied: “Maybe, that’s diplomacy.”

While insisting the Luganville wharf would never be used by China as a military base,  Mr Regevanu did concede that his country has made previous errors in its dealings with China.

Last year, Chinese aid funded a huge athletic stadium in for a regional sporting meet but Vanuatu’s government hasn’t found much use for it since.

Even more controversially, a gigantic convention centre recently completed in the nation capital, Port Vila, is so large and expensive the government can’t afford to pay the power and cleaning bills let alone host events there.

The plethora of useless, Chinese-built landmarks have locals like taxi driver, William Taback, confused and concerned.

“The projects (China) are investing in are too big for our country,” Mr Taback told Steinfort.

“Already we know that we borrow a lot of money from China. It’s too much, it’s too much.”

In recent years Vanuatu and Fiji have become host to vast Chinese infrastructure projects that many locals believe are not only unaffordable but unnecessary. Picture: 60 MinutesIn recent years Vanuatu and Fiji have become host to vast Chinese infrastructure projects that many locals believe are not only unaffordable but unnecessary. Picture: 60 Minutes

Mr Taback’s sentiments are echoed in Fiji, where a similar situation sees China investing in expensive and futile building projects.  

Fiji’s former prime minister - and now opposition leader - General Sitiveni Rabuka is angered by growing Chinese influence in his country.

“If they become so powerful and we become impotent as far as that repayment is concerned,” General Rabuka told Steinfort.

“There is a fear that they will take over some of the public facilities we have, our ports and airports.”

“It’s happening around the world.”

Last year China took control of the major Sri Lankan port of Hambantota. Picture: 60 MinutesLast year China took control of the major Sri Lankan port of Hambantota. Picture: 60 Minutes

One 28-story construction site in Fiji’s capital Suva employs close to 100 percent Chinese labour, for Dr Davis, it’s proof that China’s motivation for investing in the South Pacific is not to help the locals.

“They're bringing in their own labourers to work on projects that they directly benefit from that really gives nothing back to society or the people,” Dr Davis told Steinfort.

Yet, Dr Davis believes the Chinafication of South Pacific nations like Fiji and Vanuatu could have been avoided.

Australia was once the main diplomatic player in South Pacific but has lost its influence in the region in recent years.

China is building a military-grade wharf 1500 nautical miles from Sydney. Picture: 60 MinutesChina is building a military-grade wharf 1500 nautical miles from Sydney. Picture: 60 Minutes

When asked by Steinfort if Australia had dropped the diplomatic football over the last decade, Mr Davis replied:

“I think in terms of aid and investment into the South Pacific, absolutely we have,” Dr Davis said.

“Vanuatu is only about 1500 nautical miles from Sydney.

“If the Chinese establish a military base at Vanuatu, or indeed any other South Pacific state, then suddenly we have the prospect of Chinese military forces very close to the Australian Eastern seaboard.

“The prospect of major power conflict is once again on the agenda.”

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The initiative for a new Silk Road is not … a sentimental nod to Marco Polo. Rather (it) stands for an attempt to establish a comprehensive system to shape the world according to China’s interests.”

Sigmar Gabriel, German Foreign Minister

“We have no intention to interfere in other countries' internal affairs, export our own social system and model of development, or impose our own will on others.”

Xi Jinping, President of People’s Republic of China

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I think it is directly linked to the question I asked you and you quickly dismissed....demographics.
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Originally posted by Isaac soloman Isaac soloman wrote:

why is china hell bent on world domination pt?

is it a personality complex thing?

what was wrong with how it was?

why the rise up mentality? 

is it pay back for perceived wrongs committed in the past?

Is this a trick question?

why tricky?

pt you can ask and throw out all sorts of stuff on america, but ask a question of chinas intentions and you are dumb, on the subject?
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What Adam Ni says in his interview is very telling.

Explains more in two minutes than what you are prepared to say.

pt can you post a transcript of what he said..please.

you have to admit, when it comes to transparency the western world leaves china for 'dead", ....literally. and we thought NK was the hermit kingdom....
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Originally posted by Isaac soloman Isaac soloman wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Originally posted by Isaac soloman Isaac soloman wrote:

why is china hell bent on world domination pt?

is it a personality complex thing?

what was wrong with how it was?

why the rise up mentality? 

is it pay back for perceived wrongs committed in the past?

Is this a trick question?

why tricky?

pt you can ask and throw out all sorts of stuff on america, but ask a question of chinas intentions and you are dumb, on the subject?

I told you, it is demographic. 
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