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CLIFF'S EDGE (AUS)Bay colt 2014 
Canford Cliffs
Bay 2007		Tagula
Bay 1993		Taufan
Bay 1977		Stop the Music
Bay 1970		Hail to Reason
Bebopper		1958
1962		4-n
11-g
Stolen Date
Bay 1970		Sadair
Stolen Hour		1962
1953		4-m
8-f
Twin Island
Chestnut 1989		Standaan
Grey 1976		Zeddaan
Castania		1965
1969		11-g
2-i
Jolly Widow
Chestnut 1974		Busted
Veuve Joyeuse		1963
1967		2-s
16-c
Mrs Marsh
Bay 2001		Marju
Brown 1988		Last Tycoon
Bay or brown 1983		Try My Best
Mill Princess		1975
1977		8-f
8-c
Flame of Tara
Bay 1980		Artaius
Welsh Flame		1974
1973		14-c
2-f
Drei
Bay 1991		Lyphard
Bay 1969		Northern Dancer
Goofed		1961
1960		2-d
17-b
Triple Tipple
Bay 1979		Raise a Cup
Ameridouble		1971
1973		9-c
9-f
Simulation
Bay 1993		Snaadee
Bay or brown 1987		Danzig
Bay 1977		Northern Dancer
Bay 1961		Nearctic
Natalma		1954
1957		14-c
2-d
Pas de Nom
Bay or brown 1968		Admiral's Voyage
Petitioner		1959
1952		4-n
7-a
Somfas
Bay or brown 1978		What a Pleasure
Chestnut 1965		Bold Ruler
Grey Flight		1954
1945		8-d
5-f
Ciboulette
Bay or brown 1961		Chop Chop
Windy Answer		1940
1955		2-m
4-g
Wodgina
Bay 1986		Verbatim
Bay 1965		Speak John
Bay 1958		Prince John
Nuit de Folies		1953
1947		14-f
1-l
Well Kept
Bay 1958		Never Say Die
Bed o' Roses		1951
1950		1-n
10-d
Agujita
Bay 1966		Vieux Manoir
Bay 1947		Brantome
Vieille Maison		1931
1936		27-a
10-e
Argosy
Bay 1950		Coastal Traffic
Prosodie		1941
1942		3-i
1-d
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer5m x 4m
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It looks like the old girl had complications post foaling the Danerich in '16.
Was she ever in a Hancox syndication or it there another? Mum was in a Simulation, mare & Hancox but I reckon it may've been 20 odd years prior Confused

Simulation (AUS) 1993



 Aust.Id.: 538566bay mareDate of Birth: 21/11/1993 
 Microchip Number: N/A1 stakeswinners & 1 stakeswinsDNA Typed: Y 

 by Snaadee (USA) 1987Contact: Mr RA Holburt, Vic 
 from Wodgina (USA) 1986Destroyed (24/11/2016) 
 bred by Mr EW Cockram, Mrs S J Cockram, Vic 

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Service Date		SireComment
201609/11bcolt 15/11/2015Danerich (AUS) parentage verified
2015


14/12/2014Equiano (FR) missed
201404/11bcoltCliff's EdgeCanford Cliffs (IRE)
2013


16/12/2012Von Costa De Hero (AUS) missed
201218/11brfillySimbelationBel Esprit (AUS)
201121/10bcoltHe's No FakeBel Esprit (AUS)
2010


21/09/2009Bel Esprit (AUS) slipped
200928/08bfillyLissomReset (AUS)
200819/08brcoltDelago's LadDelago Brom (AUS)
2007


17/11/2006Keep The Faith (AUS) missed
200626/10bgeldingDelagationDelago Brom (AUS)
200512/10bfillyRubelliteRubiton (AUS)
200428/09chfillyBroms GirlDelago Brom (AUS)
2003


10/11/2002Val Royal (FR) missed
200203/10chfillySlicklyHurricane Sky (AUS)
200128/09b or brgeldingIquitosRustic Amber (IRE)

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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by MichaelM MichaelM wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

I see he is going to have a typical fortnightly race schedule.


What do you suggest master trainer? Do you have any understanding of the post race recovery rate or physiology of a horse?


Do not kid yourself into believing that is why he is on that campaign.

These "master trainers" all do the same thing.

you've made this point a few times, and I'm not quite sure what you're getting at.
Do you see an issue with this, or just an observation that they plan these campaigns on auto pilot?
It's not meant as a criticism in any way, it's a genuine question.
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Yes basically auto pilot is a good way off saying it.
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of Embarrassed saying it. 
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Djebel, correct me if I'm wrong, thinks the way we campaign our horses is silly. In Europe they spread races over a season so that horses are generally kept at their preferred distance range, rather than the staggered approach of our carnivals that sees a horse like Ace High kicking off in a 1200m race he can't win.

Look at Cliffs Edge's sire, Canford Cliffs- pretty much exclusively run at a mile after his juvenile days, in races spread over a season.

He has a point.
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Gate 13 makes it a little more difficult today.
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Poor ride. Bring back johnny
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Gee that was hard to take.
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I have no doubt this horse is going to win a group 1. He just needs to be ridden properly
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Ran his heart out, they have broken 1-22 for the 1400, like I say ( and we all know lol) we have a bunch of exiting youngsters and it can only get better.
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Originally posted by deejays destiny deejays destiny wrote:

I have no doubt this horse is going to win a group 1. He just needs to be ridden properly


Big run. Three wide on a hot speed and giving the winner 3.5kg. Happy to be on him in the Guineas and confident.
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Gate 16 of 18

Grunt drew 17, so could have been worse for Cliffs
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Imagine Cliffs jumps straight to the front.

No mucking about.

Grunt will find it difficult.
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I'm confident.
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Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

I'm confident.


Not a lot between them allowing for the improvement in the lightly raced Grunt.      Barriers up the pole aye. Might add to the prices,   Grunt has to find 2K   Some good racing on the way.
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Why are you so confident he can beat Aloisia?
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Because he's going better, has had a better prep for this, and this isn't a 4 horse field at Moonee Valley where she can box seat and sneak up the rail with her turn of foot.

This will likely be pace on first 400 then back right off and brakes go on. Half the field will cop horses in their laps, some horses overracing, and most of the field eager to settle off the speed and get their horse relaxing to ensure they see out a strong mile.

Cliff out of all that scrimmage and doing the racking and stacking before winding up and making it hard for something to catch him. With even luck Grunt can run him down but I'm not sure there's an even chance he gets even luck on what I'm seeing unless they burn him early.
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I expect Peaceful State to improve, too bad to be true last time .

Brad can ride a G1 winner out of that mare   
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Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

Because he's going better, has had a better prep for this, and this isn't a 4 horse field at Moonee Valley where she can box seat and sneak up the rail with her turn of foot.

This will likely be pace on first 400 then back right off and brakes go on. Half the field will cop horses in their laps, some horses overracing, and most of the field eager to settle off the speed and get their horse relaxing to ensure they see out a strong mile.

Cliff out of all that scrimmage and doing the racking and stacking before winding up and making it hard for something to catch him. With even luck Grunt can run him down but I'm not sure there's an even chance he gets even luck on what I'm seeing unless they burn him early.


Djebel will say she's had the better prep and Weir only needed 2 leadup races cos he can't train.Big smile
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Haha very true. I'm not so concerned by one run into it for a horse of her quality and a genuine miler. For me it's more a question of is she fit enough for second up into a G1 mile here - her trial and first up run tell me that's a risk. She has bigger fish to fry in the Sydney autumn and I feel they've been ambitious that she's good enough to beat a horse like Cliffs Edge when underdone here.
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Guineas was always on the program but Aloisia's main aim is Sydney. Deane Lester mentioned one particular race but I can't recall which. Vinery then Oaks? She goes well second up but hasn't looked quite there as Sunline said.

Plenty of get back run on horses in this race, might be a boon for on pacers like Cliff's Edge.
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The Vinery is her race. She will demolish them in that. Then the Oaks is a risk re whether she stays.
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This isn't a 2 horse race ,   Quite a number can win without surprising.
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Holy snow and main stage the 2 to beat.
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Backed Holy Snow earlier but confidence not there since Price said Grunt is the best of his. Also didn't look at race pace until today. Hope all trainers do and more go forward as a result.
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Wide barrier and wind in his face the whole way with no cover killed his chance
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Originally posted by Prince of Penzance Prince of Penzance wrote:

Wide barrier and wind in his face the whole way with no cover killed his chance

and the tempo.
Winner too good though.
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Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

Originally posted by Prince of Penzance Prince of Penzance wrote:

Wide barrier and wind in his face the whole way with no cover killed his chance


and the tempo.
Winner too good though.

The bunny for the stablemate, ....nearly eh.
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You can't ride them like that at Flemington...     The splits will be interesting.      .
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