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Nocturnal
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Posted: 28 Oct 2017 at 11:44am |
I couldn't find a thread for her , apologies if there is.
This girl is flying and arguably could have won both the Moir and the Manikato . Memo for connections , yes he is the trainers mate and yes his wife is a part owner but surely it's time to replace Bowditch with an A grader . Last night was a train wreck and A grade jockeys make brighter , quicker decisions and this girl is often ridden for luck due to questionable gate speed so they need that edge of the better Jockey. Appease him with the fact a group 1 winning broodmare will bring greater returns for his wife's ownership . Thoughts? |
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djebel
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100% correct.
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reductio ad absurdum
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Carioca
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I do agree with the sentiments above, but I'm interested to know has this mare ever been a winner over 1200 in her career?.after all that's where most G1 races are that would suit.
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VOYAGER
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I would agree to Nocturnal, but last night was a total forget.
The trainer stated after the race that the plan was to follow Vega Magic as they thought he would take them into the race, which did not happen, but when it did not happen, he should of had a plan b and c.
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Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise
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3blindmice
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Agree Bowditch is an in and out rider but can't see much wrong with either of his last two rides. After watching the replay I'm not sure why he went back inside last night but it made no difference imo. She's a get back run on type so will always need some luck BUT......her record suggests she doesn't run a strong enough 1200m (esp in good company) despite regularly flashing home over 1100m. Is that down to training or the limit of her distance ability? I don't know but suspect the latter because Kennewell's a decent trainer. I doubt it has anything to do with jockeying. Riding her upside down would probably be a huge mistake.
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Shawy38
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I’d rather Bowditch than Williams
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Nocturnal
Champion Joined: 26 Sep 2008 Location: at the 800 Status: Offline Points: 13667 |
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Rode 4 winner a today . The pot always works seemingly (back to his right grade?)
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Nocturnal
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**Winners today
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Synthetic
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Impending coming out changes the dynamic for the Winterbottom Stks
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Nocturnal
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I have taken $11 for her in the Winterbottom , I know Sunline is on State Solictor at $7.50 . Mmmm..... Pike v Bowditch = no contest , let's hope for a suspension . C Parnham gave her a stretch of the legs this morning let's hope they take a shine to each other
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Sunline
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Noccy I would happily add your ticket to mine. She's a very good mare. Quite underrated. A heartbreaker. But underrated.
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Sunline...simply supreme
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Synthetic
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Good points. On the 1200m though, she ran through the line fine in G1 Sangster.
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MorphettvilleMauler
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when you say select an 'a-grader' over bowditch, you need to be specific. and actually who would take the ride?
She is best ridden out the back and storming home, it is hard at times for horses like her getting through. has been a nose off winning a g1. |
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Carioca
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Horses who race this way as you know MM luck and splits that come in a twinkling are the key to these types imo, held up for one crack fresh air is what they want, two jocks imo ( and I'm in No way advocating change) that would also suit this mare would be Cory Brown or Jason Collett, both cold rider's and the big stage is no problems, fwiw. |
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Nocturnal
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I disagree she is best ridden back , her questionable gate speed means she settles back and defaults to this style . Bowdwitch has had 256 Group rides in Group races for a 5% winning strike rate, 44 in group ones for a solitary win in the SA Derby (hardly a stellar group 1) . You want A graders how about Zahra, Lane(might be suspended), Brown, Mcevoy et al . Financially I hope I have egg on my face and she does the job as I am set at $11 but whilst JB is in good form this season the above stats don't lie. |
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Nocturnal
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Further to the above , her 6 wins she has settled 2nd, 3rd,3rd,5th,7th,5th , Hardly a stat that supports your theory of best ridden back .
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3blindmice
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Think Ascot with pace on actually suits her but I do hope they ride her close to the speed because I'm on Rock Magic (Noske needs to redeem himself after the Money Maher debacle altho Hall and Odonnell didn't help one bit). Her best chance is to sweep home form worse than midfield imo. Small field helps.
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Carioca
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That's a stat I didn't know about Noccy, I'll keep out and leave it to those that do. |
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Nocturnal
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I love you Joe
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Second Chance
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3blindmice
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Ha ha. Great ride and good result for you Nocturnal. She had no trouble running out the 1200m today.
For we poor chumps who backed Noske on Rock Magic all I can say is now we know what it feels like to be done in the eye and rogered at the same time. I have a short memory but his rides on Money Mahal and RM are stark reminders of why I don't bet on WA races often.
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TJMitchell
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Got $6 this beauty. Easily the best form in the race.
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Sunline
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Big result for Noccy. Well done, mate.
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Sunline...simply supreme
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Balciano
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I was with you 3BM. Was on Rock Magic @$6.50 e/w and was quietly confident. The horse pulled up lame and with an elevated heart rate so it was a game run under the circumstances.
Hats off to the winner and 10/10 ride Joe Bowditch. Good to see an SA horse snare a big win in the West. |
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3blindmice
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How did the jockey pull up? Sore arms from dragging it back for no reason after a good beginning from an inside barrier? Doubt it was winning anyway but on my limited observations I wouldn't let the bloke anywhere near one of mine if I was an owner.
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MorphettvilleMauler
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good effort Nocturnal on getting in early at $11
i always wait for the day, and was still fortunate to get her at half that. JB rode her well, she was the best in the race and showed it. thanks for the stats as well, interesting to read that
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Shrunk in the Wash
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Strapper was quite cute
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Shrunk in the Wash
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$51 for the TJ in the Autumn
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Second Chance
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Didn't fancy him all that much.
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Shrunk in the Wash
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There was a lovely looking girl with her after the race
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