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Passing Through
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Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 9:26am |
As he is being discussed in multiple threads and the scandal around him is growing fast and expanding to other people, and I think will follow to other areas including business and sport, it feels like a change is coming, so it might be worth a thread of it's own. Huge social issue waiting to explode
Has anyone fallen faster than Harvey Weinstein? One might say it’s among the most stunning falls from grace Hollywood has ever seen, but the word “grace” has rarely been used where Harvey Weinstein is concerned. In less than a week, the mounting scandal over allegations of sexual harassment and assault has rapidly consumed the once-powerful film mogul — and the entertainment industry as a whole. With fresh accusations against Weinstein continuing to emerge after stories involving stars such as Gwyneth Paltrow and Angelina Jolie broke in the New York Times and the New Yorker, organizations and individuals across Hollywood and in politics are scrambling to distance themselves from him, while large and uncomfortable questions are arising about what the scandal reveals about the culture of Hollywood. Since the first New York Times story appeared last Thursday, Weinstein — a man who for decades was renowned for his ability to mint award-winning hits like “Pulp Fiction,” “Shakespeare in Love” and “The King’s Speech” and whose films have racked up more than 300 Oscar nominations — has become a pariah. more.... http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-et-mn-harvey-weinstein-collapse-20171011-story.html |
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oneonesit
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Just read the list of women who have come out against this fellow & the brief story each are saying about him. Amazing how many are saying the same thing - that they were invited back to his hotel room & on arrival he was there waiting in a bath robe. Umm - hello - why would you go into the room then ladies ? Anyway, fortunately ALL seemed to get away from the fellow before any real harm was done. Not sure about the "huge social issues waiting to explode" though PT. Deary me !
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Passing Through
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Dozens of women so far, several rape accusations, at least a dozen paid off, at least two police and prosecutorial investigations silenced.
Powerful people abusing that power to sexually assault women whose entire career might live or die on the next decision they make is a big deal. Other names are coming out now, including a leading actor apologising in advance, and another well known abuser being named. No wonder he begged for and was granted Russian citizenship last year. They dont extradite
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Tlazolteotl
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A lot of enablers. Famous women who were groped early on in their career by Weinstein, chose not to work with him again, but said nothing publicly.
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Passing Through
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There are always enablers and apologists involved with so much at stake for everyone involved All are as guilty as the the abuser.
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oneonesit
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Well I just hope this "social adjustment" does not lead to a lot more unattractive women in movies. Hang the bugger if so !
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This stuff has been around since pussy was a kitten. Since when do people in a position of power not try to use it to feed their "fetishes". If they get caught out - so be it. However its never going to "REALLY" change how things are done....esp in the movie world !
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djebel
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The good old casting couch.
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reductio ad absurdum
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acacia alba
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I am amazed that a father or husband didnt smash his face in years ago.
How could so so many women stay silent for so long ??? |
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animals before people.
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Gay3
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For the same reason stable staff stay silent; they won't risk black listing
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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ExceedAndExcel
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This is exactly right. Same thing happens everywhere. To speak out without several others doing so at the same time is to confine your career to the scrap heap. |
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reductio ad absurdum
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max manewer
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Amusing to read that actor Ben Affleck, who was highly critical of Weinstein, now has women coming out accusing him of groping them. It's all phoney in Hollywood.
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max manewer
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There must be some Hollywood starlets who worked with Weinstein, who didn't have the "moves" put on them. I wonder what they are thinking
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maccamax
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One said she rebuffed his sexual advances 3 times of the 5.
The Usual , wait 20 years then have a breakdown for a dollar. Boys will be boys. |
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max manewer
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It has been rampant in Hollywood, forever. The women are largely cast because they are attractive specimens. The people who decide who is cast, are in a powerful position, and take advantage of it. Marilyn Monroe said she spent a lot of time on her knees, getting the roles she played.
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Insecure little men with huge egos and no self control. Not just Hollywood, they’re everywhere.
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max manewer
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One of the catches inherent in making your fortune out of sex appeal.
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max manewer
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....an ole Harvey Wallbanger denies all accusations, "unequivocally". I can only laugh at Hollywood and its movies, I lost interest long ago.
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Not all women who are sexually harassed in the workplace are “ trying to make a fortune out of their sex appeal”. Even in Hollywood they don’t deserve to be subjected to this sort of predatory behaviour. No ifs no buts, it’s just plain wrong.
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max manewer
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If you fear ostracization from an industry for reporting assault, find another industry, I would say.
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Of course it would be much better if you didn’t have to report anything in the first place
Egregious victim blaming right there. |
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max manewer
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If everyone reported it, that would stop it. They don't, because they consider the potential gain from silence outweighs the insult/indignity they endured.
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You wouldn't need to stop it if it didn't start. Not being a sexual predator is not too high a of a demand to place on someone, I wouldn't have thought. Failure to report it is considerably the lesser of two evils, by any reasonable measure.
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max manewer
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If no-one reported crime, do you think it increases ? No-brainer ! These women submit because they see a big earn at stake.
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You keep repeating yourself. If a victim doesn't report a crime they are still the victim. The perpetrator is still the perpetrator. There is a an enormous chasm in culpability here.
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max manewer
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I keep repeating myself because it is the truth. Non-reportage of crime is itself a crime in many cases.
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This is a pathetic attempt at rationalisation on your behalf. There is simply no equivalence between the actions of Weinstein and those of his victims.
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max manewer
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The silence of the victims, who are seemingly a victim of their ambitions as much as anything, just keeps it rolling.
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I would have thought sexual predatory behaviour was almost hard wired into most males. A matter of degrees of self control I would have thought !
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