Ace High

Lord Hybrow wrote: Retired to Rich Hill Stud in NZ @ $10k + GST. Never quite realised his 3yo potential into open age races. But good to see him find a home at a quality establishment like Rich Hill.

Superb pedigree.

David Payne has asked for Caulfield cup hope ace high to moved as he was stabled next to a stack of fillies. “He is still a bull likes the girls too much.”

Sweated up badly and is calling out in the tie ups.
Never a good sign

djebel wrote: I do not see him winning another race.

And I have yet to see todays 😆

Really liked his last run at 1600m & had expected to see him step up to 1900m or 2000m at his next outing.

A little concerned to see him going around again at 1600m in the George Main Stks.

Anyone know what path D.Payne has mapped out en route to the Melb Cup?

Love to see an Aussie bred stayer fighting out the finish of the big race and he’s probably our best chance. Just hope he’s not over cooked come Cup day.

He'd have to be 50/50 to run as a 4yo, in this country at least.

Given they're G1 distance winners albeit against their own ages I think you'll find their winning records are very disappointing if you're punting. I did a table on another forum some time back of derby and oaks winners V CC and MC iirc. I'll post here - if I can find it. It's only an indicator but if you're betting a long way out it's worth knowing.

The race has changed dramatically. You'd only want to look over the last 15-20 years max for any worthwhile guide to the future.

That only furthers my point, djebel. It tells you that taking any horse that is firm in a Cups futures market is madness. And that's what they do with Derby winners year after year, despite no evidence to suggest they have any better chance than anything else.

Yes Sunline.  No one ever takes into account that any stakes winner at two or three is then penalized when it gets to open class as a four year old.  Weight can stop 9 of the 10 as the late maturing ones have caught up.  Often therefore it is the one which finished just behind the placegetters who comes out flying as an older horse.  Not crucified with the weight of expectations.

And after he wins the Derby, what price Caulfield Cup? I see $31 available now. You'd nearly half it.

At a guess he'd carry about 55kg? Same as Mongolian Khan..

Be very surprised if he isn't figuring in some big races this autumn. Funny thing is I had a liking for him when he was running good fifths and sixths over shorter distances (only ever backed him once in the Stan Fox iirc) then didn't follow up even when he struck form. Eeejut

Fwiw I backed him last Sat. & reckon I was one run early, it was a super staying type effort, he just kept coming on so Randwick & 200m should see him go close barring any soundness or medical issues.

furious wrote: Bit harsh there Djebel.  A VRC second placegetter from a few years ago just won the Launceston Cup so these horses can and do go on.

Bondeiger didn’t place in the VRC Derby. He was disqualified for testing positive to cobalt

I do not see him winning another race.