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furious
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Special being the dam of Nureyev? Or the Special that was an Australian G1 winner?
It the first you can find plenty of Fairy Bridge/Nureyev crosses as above Dundeel being one of them.
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Majestic, if you have a HC mare then you don't want to go to another sadlers wells stallion. You may as well try Testa Rossa-apparently those that saw him at stallion parade on this forum reported he looked like a youngster. To get the cross of Special then any thing with Fairy Bridge which includes Perugino Sadlers and Fairy King. But you also get it via Nureyev, so any stallion with Zabeel, Stravinsky etc will give you a cross. For what it is worth my suggestion would be Hallowed Crown. Showed good qualities as a racehorse;has stree6t cry which I feel will work well with HC; has danehill which works well with sadlers and is from the female family of Zabeel (ie his dam Lady Giselle is great granddam of Hallowed) and HC and Zabeel works very well and it gives you a doubling of Special.
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Agree 100%. He was a highly spruiked horse with freakish ability. I am thinking along the same lines and tempted to send a Rubiton mare to Ready For Victory to duplicate Ruby. She is one of the most influential mares of more a colonial line. I think Stewart Ramsey’s breeding formula is based on something like we are discussing. He’s been very successful |
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linghi11
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Does anyone have a list of these influential broodmares? Of care to make one up :)
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to the victor
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Breeder
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Try Googling Blue Hen mares.
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Shrunk in the Wash
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Im no expert but I'll throw up a few Four Carat Shanthas Choice Hot Rhythm Circles of Gold |
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goldey
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Thong seems to be going well in our conditions.
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Glencoe
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Colin Hayes always looked for Aurora
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furious
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Some of the best Luskin Star's had double cross to Aurora
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djebel
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reductio ad absurdum
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djebel
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How on earth do they justify that price ?
I have the book, It was given to me for nothing. It is like reading a kindergarten book.
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reductio ad absurdum
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linghi11
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Thoroughbred stuff has a wedding-like mark up for everything! |
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linghi11
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From what I hear, the genetics study is finding that outcrossing thoroughbreds is more successful than inbreeding them, so one must have to find some very particular lines for it to work well.
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furious
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linghi often the outcrossing is really finding the lines like Bletchingly and Danzig which don't cross till Lady Susan (GB) 1893. So no close inbreeding but there is no doubt that those two - from the same female line liked each other very much.
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The thoroughbred broodmare book
The Thoroughbred Broodmare Book by Clive Harper If you can get a copy of this its worth a read , he discusses the pedigree paterns in detail of top Broodmares that have produced multiple G1 winners in various regions of the world .
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Agree on the Clive Harper book. I have it and it's strength is it gives all the points that are common with the mare's successful offspring allowing you to form your own conclusions even if you don't agree with author.
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Mr Prospector
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Its not overly verbose as some of the breeding books can be and very easy to follow his explanations with the pedigrees laid out beside his ideas .
Its the only one of the Harper books I have but would love a copy of his last book . Patterns of patterns I think its called . Have you read it Breeder and if so is it worth chasing a copy ?
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Yes i have read it Mr Prosoector ( I think have all of Clive's books) It is of the same quality as the others so well worth getting if you can find a copy.
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Fake News!
Get a broodmare cross her with a basic well known cross i.e. Lonhro x Danehill etc, etc and hope for the best. It's a DNA lottery. |
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furious
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Would love to see Bella Martini visit Written By when they both go to stud. Both decend from Humour dam of four stakes winners of 18 races inc Marceau (Rawson S (twice), Doomben Cup etc), Zasu (Queensland Oaks, Champagne S, SAJC Sires' Prod), Runyon (Perth Cup) and Joy Love (Expressway S). So you can also see the distances which her stakes winning progeny won over was from 1000 to 3200m. She was a great mare and it is lovely to see her line still firing.
I've been following Bella Martini's dam Silverbeat's foals out of the yearling sales for years and she also has four stakes winners including one in Macau (a MacG1 which isn't listed on the Australian Stud book site). Bella Martini could be her best and yes I marked her to follow although she was withdrawn! The others two I had in Volcanic Ash (Volcanic General in Australia) and Alpha Beat were both geldings and I wanted a filly to follow. This is also the family of Pins who was out of a daughter of Humour who also produced 4 stakes winners.
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Volcanic Ash was a MalG1 winner twice not Macau. Got the wrong country!
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Breeder
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The Derby result overnight was a good result for who following line breeding to top mares.
Masar is line bred to Urban Sea |
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furious
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You can't get a much better mare than that one breeder.
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Hello,
Masar, the winner of the English Derby is another success of the Family of Alveole, which has produced 0714 (!) German Derbywinners since 1914 (Ariel) and in 2007 Adlerflug (4x4 Mill Reef, Granddam Alya FS of Allegretta) Of course I noted the the inbreeding to Urban Sea 3x4 and Ahonoora 3x4, something you don't see so often. Btw, there is one more 'hidden' German Sire in his ped, Selkirk-Nebbiolo-Birkhahn (he carries Spion Kop via Cappiello)-Alchimist. regards, Ticino
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lulu
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Hi Ticino,
I would be interested on your opinion of a mating of Churchill over a Kings Best mare. Doubling up on Allegretta. A lovely mare from your neck of the woods. Cheers |
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Naval Warfare may get a reprieve.
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