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^ precisely Angry
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

I think that is in the hands of the Attorney General and with a number of govt members and possibly Labor members involved, it may well be like it is with rorting entitlements, too many from both sides to go after. so nobody from the major parties complains too loudly. There was a clue when it was just the 2 Greens and Turnbull was asked about it but wouldn't commit to pursuing them

Precisely!Angry 
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They will be running dead on that one, you'd have to think.
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Another one...Nationals deputy Fiona Nash believes she is also a dual citizen

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Bernardi wants to shut the joint down till its sorted. How much will that cost
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From WIKI:

Fiona Joy Nash (née Morton) (born 6 May 1965) is an Australian politician.She is both an Australian and British Citizen. She has represented the National Party of Australia in the Australian Senate for the State of New South Wales since 1 July 2005 and has served as the Deputy Leader of the Nationals in the Parliament of Australia since 11 February 2016, having previously served as the party's deputy Senate leader since 2008.
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

From WIKI:

Fiona Joy Nash (née Morton) (born 6 May 1965) is an Australian politician.She is both an Australian and British Citizen. She has represented the National Party of Australia in the Australian Senate for the State of New South Wales since 1 July 2005 and has served as the Deputy Leader of the Nationals in the Parliament of Australia since 11 February 2016, having previously served as the party's deputy Senate leader since 2008.

I assume that has been very recently altered. Though nothing would surprise me with these lamebrains. It might have said she's a dual citizen since she got there.
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Watched Four Corners and the item that struck me was that Tasmania's Mr Brown, came out of that looking like the best political leader that party had ever had, and that the Greens are dead ducks while the NSW committee remain the faceless men of their party. 

Lee Rhiannon came out of it looking like a puppet.

I see we are discussing the dual citizenship issue here. I am not sure there is even a discussion. It is in the constitution. We have been having a 20 year debate on changing the constitution , yet it seems everyone just wants to ignore this part of the constitution. 

If the high court allows any of the senators or parliamentarians to continue to stand, then they are complicit in illegal activities. All of the criminals, need to stand down, there needs to be by-elections for the parliamentarians and if they renounce their citizenship of their other countries, then they can stand again for pre-selection and for the seat.

There is no discussion to be had!   
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Originally posted by Shrunk in the Wash Shrunk in the Wash wrote:

Bernardi wants to shut the joint down till its sorted. How much will that cost

Leave without pay!!!???Big smile
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Originally posted by VOYAGER VOYAGER wrote:

Watched Four Corners and the item that struck me was that Tasmania's Mr Brown, came out of that looking like the best political leader that party had ever had, and that the Greens are dead ducks while the NSW committee remain the faceless men of their party. 

Lee Rhiannon came out of it looking like a puppet.

I see we are discussing the dual citizenship issue here. I am not sure there is even a discussion. It is in the constitution. We have been having a 20 year debate on changing the constitution , yet it seems everyone just wants to ignore this part of the constitution. 

If the high court allows any of the senators or parliamentarians to continue to stand, then they are complicit in illegal activities. All of the criminals, need to stand down, there needs to be by-elections for the parliamentarians and if they renounce their citizenship of their other countries, then they can stand again for pre-selection and for the seat.

There is no discussion to be had!   

We might need a plebiscite to get this one up!Sleepy
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This should really be seen as a major political crisis, with a large number of members seemingly not legitimately elected, and the legislation they passed of doubttful legitimacy, really the biggest mess since Federation. But there seems to be a conspiracy among all parties to play it down, only because they are all implicated. The press gallery is not treating it with sufficient seriousness, and are part of the conspiracy that it ain't really big news. I don't believe them.
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If the courts rule them ineligible, and I can't imagine how they won't, do they have to pay back all their earnings ? This is a colossal mess.
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... should go back and audit the lot of them, including the ones on pensions.
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Nick Xenephon is now under doubt. He got cleared of being of Greek citizenship through his father but not British with his father being a Greek Cypriot, which would make him potential British double rather than Greek double
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No triples or quadruples ? I'd allow them a "six and out" rule.
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Do other countries parliaments have the same rules about dual citizenship ?  If so I am sure there would be many cases and similar problems but I have not heard anything .
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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

Do other countries parliaments have the same rules about dual citizenship ?  If so I am sure there would be many cases and similar problems but I have not heard anything .

Many countries, many rules.
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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

Do other countries parliaments have the same rules about dual citizenship ?  If so I am sure there would be many cases and similar problems but I have not heard anything .


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Which if so leaves another 194 without similar rules re citizenship.  
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We have rules, they are simple, and don't need to change - kick the ineligible out, including the parasitic pensioners - it's not hard!
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That is what Barnaby said when it was only Greens in trouble
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I love the way Turnbull pre-empts the High Court, saying there won't be a problem. All I can say to that, is a common sense interpretation has to be they are up Ship Creek, it could not be much plainer what the rule is. Never mind the nonsense that it is only designed to prevent foreign influence, it might also be interpreted as wanting people in govt with nowhere else to run, if the ship hits the fan here.
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My impression is that the test will be, if the key players get a pass from the HC, the minor party players will be left to please themselves, and the ALP and LNP will give the audit a miss, the ALP will be happy with a points decision, but won't push hard.

If however, Barnaby happens to be the weakest link, and it's Good Bye!, then I reckon all bets will be off, and the LNP will call for the full audit, and i reckon the worms will be wriggling in all corners of the political spectrum! ... option 2 is my preference!!!Big smile
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Barnaby has already set up an election office in Armidale and is starting campaigning for a bi-election apparently
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He formally renounced his Kiwi citizenship
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Yep, Nick X....

You can change you're name but you can't change your citizenship.

If found guilty - how about shoveling manure for a couple of seasons? Punters would be real heppi - no pun intended.
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Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

We have rules, they are simple, and don't need to change - kick the ineligible out, including the parasitic pensioners - it's not hard!


Bingo!!!

those that rolled the dice and got caught....kick the scammers out. with a penalty.

no excuses...look at em all make enquiries now to the relevant authorities to find out their citizenship status.

just shows thats what they ignored doing when it mattered most.
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... nothing like being prepared! 

Preempting any court decision is fraught with danger ... the bankruptcy listings are full of people who's barrister told them they had a great claim or defence! 

Not a real lot of barristers on those lists, apart from the punting ones!Wink
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Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

I love the way Turnbull pre-empts the High Court, saying there won't be a problem. All I can say to that, is a common sense interpretation has to be they are up Ship Creek, it could not be much plainer what the rule is. Never mind the nonsense that it is only designed to prevent foreign influence, it might also be interpreted as wanting people in govt with nowhere else to run, if the ship hits the fan here.


I think its far more simple and it was barnaby who said it best - you cant serve two masters as a mp. allegiance has to solely be with australia. makes perfect sense.

although allegiance to oz can be broken for the right price. $$$$. andrew robb anyone??
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He is gone He was a dual citizen when elected...no disputing it The only dispute has been wheth the 3 month rule for Ministers applies to him
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