Roman Son

Yes I’m the same

He'd be a moral in the Christmas Cup.

Ironically I reckon Roman Son would have been a better chance in the Villiers on Saturday given how the respective races were run. They came home in Race 8 in 35.96, which was faster than Fell Swoop in the Razor Sharp, notwithstanding the rain in the intervening period. While the overall time in the Villiers was quicker, the closing sectional was 37.2, which explains how Aloisia was able to charge from the back. With only 53kg, he would have been right in the finish IMO.

He does seem to have come back well. I'll be interested as to whether they nominate for the Summer Cup on the 11 day backup third up.

Looking for 2 miles now.

Really needed to be at 2400m last start.

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Watch him running on at the end but never really looking like the winner.

Hopefully I remember to switch over from the cricket.

Best of luck. Hope I am wrong for those who have backed him.

Also don't forget that in his previous prep - his very last run he got rolled at $1.70 at 2000 metres. He didn't appear to stay that day. He was gone with 200 to go. From memory they went hard in that race. I can't recall if there was any excuses but on that run he definitely won't be getting much further.

I'm sure he'll get 2000 in a moderate run race. But jury is out for me as an out and out stayer.

All opinion though. Let's see what he does tomorrow.

odds coming in - feeling pretty comfortable he's been set for this,,,but agree plc is bet & that's shy I'm on 

It's a bit of a D-Day for him tomorrow - fourth up to the 2100m looks ideal, drawn 5 and Kerrin aboard. Doesn't look overly strong and there should be good pressure with Fabrizio and Satono Rasen.

I thought he was entitled to hit the line slightly harder in the Summer Cup. Bayliss got too far back which meant that he was never a winning chance and I am not sure he appreciated changing direction in the straight, but Black and Gold went past him in the last 100. On the plus side, the form through Goodfella and Black and Gold has held up.

Hopefully he gets even breaks and a chance to show that he is back to the form from two preps ago. $4.50 into $3.00 suggests that the stable thinks he is cherry ripe.

He should settle closer having had 3 weeks break and being at his peak.

Going to be stinking hot.

And it is a pretty good field.

He certainly looks like he would benefit from another step up in trip, and definitely a bigger track. The announced tactical changed didn't pan out and then he was shuffled back before they put the brakes on up front. Crabbed around the turn, didn't balance up until the 150 and by then it was all over. Hit the line OK.

It looks like a forgive run but he has had a few of those this prep, which is a concern. The Australia Day Cup is there on 28 January, if he is happy to go on the 11 day backup and take on Naval Warfare.

The benchmark system does my head in at times. Roman Son was slugged four benchmark points (2kg) for running fourth in the Gosford Cup, while Satono Rasen (2nd) and Fabrizio (3rd) retained their benchmark. This means that, depending on where topweight is on Monday (if they go that way), Roman Son could meet both Satono and Fabrizio 2kg worse for being beaten by them, which is utterly crazy.

You do wonder at times whether handicappers make value judgements on what should have happened and unduly penalise a horse unduly, before he has had a chance to win a race.

djebel wrote: Fabrizio..............60 Satono Rasen....57.5 Roman Sun should have 53 but will get 54, which basically means he needs to run to 2 points better than his rating to be in the finish.  It also means he is meeting them 1 kg better off, Should I have the weights correct.

In the Gosford Cup, we had Fabrizio on 59kg, Satono Rasen on 56.5 and Roman Son on 54kg. His true weight in that race was actually 50kg - the limit of 54kg would have been for a 92 rater and he was an 84. So, he was weighted 4kg above his rating.

Now, on a 59-53 spread he gets 53kg against Fabrizio (59kg) and Satono Rasen 56.5kg. That is he meets these two a kilo better, even though his benchmark has gone up four points to their none. His true weight on Monday is 52kg.

I guess the question from a handicapping perspective is whether the fact that he ran with merit when four kilos above the handicap in the Gosford Cup warrants the handicapper bumping up his benchmark accordingly, as he appears to have done. It creates a pretty significant disincentive to ever race outside the handicap (i.e. where the true weight is below the minimum).

I've been patient this prep. Waiting and waiting and waiting.

ON the money again.. already 4’s.
Interesting one is McDonald chose Santono and didnt take (I’m assuming) the ride on Cummings Eytomology