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    Posted: 26 Jun 2020 at 9:33am
Stable change for this guy, now with Terry Robinson on the NSW south coast.

Resumes today in the Narooma Town Plate over 1300m
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The Freedman brothers have taken him up to Eagle Farm for a BM80 event over 1800m.

Probably D-day for him.
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Resumes Saturday on the cement at Randwick. 1400m Confused
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Admittedly his last run was pretty ordinary but just a gut feeling that he might run a race at big odds today. He’s 3rd up at 1800m with blinkers on - he’s 2 wins from 2 starts at that distance.

Will have a few gold coins on him for a place today.
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Britannicus (a full bro to Roman Son) was just sold on Inglis Digital Sale for $25,000.

Purchased by Cameron Cooke Bloodstock.
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Originally posted by Mr Grieves Mr Grieves wrote:

He was gone long before the distance became an issue


Agree ----    At Nomination time.
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He was gone long before the distance became an issue
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Originally posted by breeding_above_all breeding_above_all wrote:

Just wasn’t right, but no way in the world he would have beat Eytomology imo. Think he’s a 2000 metre horse


            He was up to 2400m against true stayers. The winner had a history of a number of Derby placings and in best form ever.
Benchmark winner in town getting only 1.5K from Open Class & Listed staying winner.
   Roman Son may not be right but he hasn't set the word on fire.   The tougher 2400 on slow was the hurdle .
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Just wasn’t right, but no way in the world he would have beat Eytomology imo. Think he’s a 2000 metre horse
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Originally posted by MJB MJB wrote:

Roman Son – Rider C Reith advised that Roman Son did not travel at any stage of the event and he could offer no excuse for the disappointing performance. A post-race veterinary examination revealed the gelding to be slow to recover. Trainer representative Mr W Freedman stated that in his opinion Roman Son is a horse that has his runs spaced and today the gelding did not appreciate having to race 10 days after its previous race start. He added that Roman Son would now be spelled and he undertook to report if there was anything amiss with the gelding on return to the stable.


He was up about 2 grades today but none the less disappointing for his followers.        The winner has hit his straps with the Distance increases and staying appears his go ..    At 6Y/0 he won't win the MC either.
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Spelling him seems over the top, why not a little freshen up. We all enjoy a good little freshen up now and then.
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Roman Son – Rider C Reith advised that Roman Son did not travel at any stage of the event and he could offer no excuse for the disappointing performance. A post-race veterinary examination revealed the gelding to be slow to recover. Trainer representative Mr W Freedman stated that in his opinion Roman Son is a horse that has his runs spaced and today the gelding did not appreciate having to race 10 days after its previous race start. He added that Roman Son would now be spelled and he undertook to report if there was anything amiss with the gelding on return to the stable.
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I guess they can just have off days. Get out of the wrong side of the bed so to speak.

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Never travelled from the first step he took out of the barriers. He struggled to tack on first 200m and was largely off the bit the entire race.

Horrible and clearly wasn’t right. I’m stuffed if I know how a horse can race like that and not show something isn’t right in training.
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That was just downright ugly.

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Something must have gone amiss, he was asked for an effort a fair way out and didn't respond and finished tailed off, that can't be his best.
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ON the money again.. already 4’s.
Interesting one is McDonald chose Santono and didnt take (I’m assuming) the ride on Cummings Eytomology
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Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

I've been patient this prep. Waiting and waiting and waiting.

Today he gets his wet track and it should be showtime.

The only query is the 2400m. He needs to convince me today he is a genuine 2400m stayer.

On at $4.8.



Plus Naval Warfare and Etymology take this race to another level to what he has been racing.

Great race.

Your tips usually shorten, I suspect this one might drift.

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I've been patient this prep. Waiting and waiting and waiting.

Today he gets his wet track and it should be showtime.

The only query is the 2400m. He needs to convince me today he is a genuine 2400m stayer.

On at $4.8.
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Notice he’s still in both the 2000m race at Randwick on Sat & the 2400m Aust Day Cup at Warwick Farm on Mon.

Wonder if he’ll be scratched from tomorrow & saved for Monday? Or perhaps run in both? Nothing wrong with the old Sat-Mon back up with the right horse.
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Fabrizio..............60
Satono Rasen....57.5

Roman Sun should have 53 but will get 54, which basically means he needs to run to 2 points better than his rating to be in the finish. 

It also means he is meeting them 1 kg better off, Should I have the weights correct.




In the Gosford Cup, we had Fabrizio on 59kg, Satono Rasen on 56.5 and Roman Son on 54kg. His true weight in that race was actually 50kg - the limit of 54kg would have been for a 92 rater and he was an 84. So, he was weighted 4kg above his rating.

Now, on a 59-53 spread he gets 53kg against Fabrizio (59kg) and Satono Rasen 56.5kg. That is he meets these two a kilo better, even though his benchmark has gone up four points to their none. His true weight on Monday is 52kg.

I guess the question from a handicapping perspective is whether the fact that he ran with merit when four kilos above the handicap in the Gosford Cup warrants the handicapper bumping up his benchmark accordingly, as he appears to have done. It creates a pretty significant disincentive to ever race outside the handicap (i.e. where the true weight is below the minimum).
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Fabrizio..............60
Satono Rasen....57.5

Roman Sun should have 53 but will get 54, which basically means he needs to run to 2 points better than his rating to be in the finish. 

It also means he is meeting them 1 kg better off, Should I have the weights correct.


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The benchmark system does my head in at times. Roman Son was slugged four benchmark points (2kg) for running fourth in the Gosford Cup, while Satono Rasen (2nd) and Fabrizio (3rd) retained their benchmark. This means that, depending on where topweight is on Monday (if they go that way), Roman Son could meet both Satono and Fabrizio 2kg worse for being beaten by them, which is utterly crazy.

You do wonder at times whether handicappers make value judgements on what should have happened and unduly penalise a horse unduly, before he has had a chance to win a race.
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Does he need a damp track ?

I have not felt that was the issue but two people have suggested that to me.

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He certainly looks like he would benefit from another step up in trip, and definitely a bigger track. The announced tactical changed didn't pan out and then he was shuffled back before they put the brakes on up front. Crabbed around the turn, didn't balance up until the 150 and by then it was all over. Hit the line OK.

It looks like a forgive run but he has had a few of those this prep, which is a concern. The Australia Day Cup is there on 28 January, if he is happy to go on the 11 day backup and take on Naval Warfare.
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Probably needs 2 miles now.


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He should settle closer having had 3 weeks break and being at his peak.

Going to be stinking hot.

And it is a pretty good field.
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I personally didn't mind his run last start. The ride was a shocker. Cowboy stuff.

In my opinion it's never easy to make significant ground coming from well back and going inside of other horses. You get better momentum out wide.

I think he's ticking over okay.

He does look well placed in this race. He probably should be winning if he gets presented at the right time. But l'm in two minds if l should back him or not. My one worry is Gosford. Not sure that track will suit him.
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It's a bit of a D-Day for him tomorrow - fourth up to the 2100m looks ideal, drawn 5 and Kerrin aboard. Doesn't look overly strong and there should be good pressure with Fabrizio and Satono Rasen.

I thought he was entitled to hit the line slightly harder in the Summer Cup. Bayliss got too far back which meant that he was never a winning chance and I am not sure he appreciated changing direction in the straight, but Black and Gold went past him in the last 100. On the plus side, the form through Goodfella and Black and Gold has held up.

Hopefully he gets even breaks and a chance to show that he is back to the form from two preps ago. $4.50 into $3.00 suggests that the stable thinks he is cherry ripe.
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Accepted for the Gosford Cup 2100m (listed) on Thursday.

Kerrin McEvoy booked to ride - nice
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