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Its hard to put brains in monuments, so i just resort to being weak and shallow  LOL


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I'm sorry but how could anyone ever trust the Libs again after this,.. yes, "shameful" propaganda 
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Its hard to put brains in monuments, so i just resort to being weak and shallow  LOL

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Originally posted by Fiddlesticks Fiddlesticks wrote:

You know a lot of this violence is because of modernisation of the indigenous, they would not be doing any of this in it's current form if they were still out roaming, hunting & gathering. 

If they were still doing the fee Alcohol, boredom, self loathing and hopelessness would drive most of us to abuse drink or drugs, especially if you lived in some of the places where this violence takes place. Imagine the dread every morning as you wake with a rotten hangover and absolutely nothing to do for the day, no drive no nothing. 

Now I have no knowledge of if these people are violent in their pre colonisation state, as nomads/hunters etc.. none of us do, but if I'm going to speculate, the violence might have been in a different form, a cultural/spiritual type of thing, or the usual take care of your wife etc..

My understanding is that there were major territorial wars between tribes. It wasn’t all kumbaya 


 This stuff now, this violence is just disgraceful, alcohol, fuelled, boredom and misery. Imagine it, there is no way back to the old ways before white man arrived and seemingly no way forward for most trapped in remote regions, who lets face it, would likely feel very uncomfortable/awkward in a modern fast, white city. 

Most don’t want that “traditional” lifestyle and most don’t live in remote areas. That horse has bolted.

It is a problem with no clear answer, however I always look to nature for my answers and if I could offer any advice to indigenous folk in remote areas, it would be to instigate a zero tolerance of alcohol in all indigenous communities, end the misery by ending the tolerance of booze PERIOD. try and find a way back into living thru nature, leave all this crap the gov wants you to have and go find your own way back to your roots, go find love and passion in nature and the environment, go care for animals, go study mycology and native flora, set up things that interest you as a people, teach your art to as many as possible because its some of the most beautiful in the world, change has to start with them as a people, nothing we do or say is going to do a bit of good, it never will.    

Totally agree, they have to self determine but the issue  is THEY can’t agree, even with  Each other.Its  different to any other addict. Tough love  is needed and they ave to decide to allow that tough love rather than play the victim & race card. The welfare card is a prime example 
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Originally posted by Baghdad Bob Baghdad Bob wrote:

Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:


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  • 1 in 5 women have experienced physical or sexual violence by a current or former partner, while for men it is 1 in 16. 
Not necessarily in one year, but over a period of time? 

The timing is essentially irrelevant Bob, however more to the point I'm not for a moment down-playing the level of domestic violence in indigenous communities.  Because it's clearly far, far higher than in the general population.
My point, rather, was to highlight the degree of domestic violence generally within Australia.  Suspect it's fair to estimate that the number of pubescent females in Australia is about 1/3 of the general population, ie about 8.5 million.  So if 20% have experienced domestic violence (as is generally accepted by both Government departments and social service organizations) we're talking about 1.7 Australian women who've been battered, raped or emotionally/psychologically damaged.  Which is truly appalling.
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

"and by this I mean outback nsw qld wa sa nt etc, where the only broadcaster that is there 24/7 IS the ABC"

This would account for the hard left views of people in the bush, take2. Being exposed to the cultural Marxism of the ABC all the time.
yes indeed T, with all the 'born to rule" crew "representing them and the thou sorry millions of hectares they own or lease between them, the ABC has done a fantastic job in polluting their minds with the "hard left" porn that it peddles,lol, so much so that the only time they see someone with a popint of view remotely to the left of the likes of ghenghis khan, is when a union organiser visits a shearing shed


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How many Australian people claim to be indigenous?  And how many of them are talking porkies?  

One thing for sure, Bob, 11 and I have no real idea, particularly re Q2.
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Originally posted by jujuno jujuno wrote:

 if you saw the meeting, it was pretty much non-Indigenous. 

 
Do not know about that. Going by the number of people in Australia who claim to be of indigenous heritage, I would not be surprised that half those attendees at that town hall meeting were indigenous.
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"and by this I mean outback nsw qld wa sa nt etc, where the only broadcaster that is there 24/7 IS the ABC"

This would account for the hard left views of people in the bush, take2. Being exposed to the cultural Marxism of the ABC all the time.
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Originally posted by Baghdad Bob Baghdad Bob wrote:

So we can blame most of their problems on white settlement and colonisation. 

 In a nutshell yes                                                                                                                            the only alcohol in australia at settlement was the rum ration, of the oh yes thats right, white people's support facility in a bottle or keg


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Not sure, but as in my previous post, if many if any, have lived in these areas (alice springs apart), and know anything about indigenous people lifestyles past or present, their attitudes to alcohol and family violence, apartt from reading or vision of facts, and opinions

All these Violence Drugs and Alcohol problems exist in the wider community, but you seldom hear about that aspect, it's always the small targets in anything that are subjective to media and political attack, and inuendo then takes a front seat

I have attained an education, lived, worked side by side with, and appreciate indigenous australia and australians, and count many as my friends, AND some as relatives, in  my lifetime of over 70 years, have never ever heard anything promoting violence drugs or alcohol from any oneof 100's of people that i have known or know.

problems as to what is happening in the alice, is no different from the wider australia, where local and state, bodies, attempt to rectify, let the community (black white brindle) work it out with the support of local, state and federal authorities, and NOT from the noise of outside media bigots promoting mistruths or distortions of fact

As for hunting and gathering in the traditional sense, in the 21st century. i would love to see that, in fact i was way out west in qld, and miles away (abt 600 Klm or more ) from the nearest cotton crops, but waadya reckon was everywhere?? Cotton Bolls hangin of roly poly's everywhere, empty cig packets and rusting beer cans left there not by indigenous, but white station workers

remarkle that the photo above has no trecieved any comment of people being seen sittin gtogether in a meeting trying to attain a consensus on something to do


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Originally posted by Baghdad Bob Baghdad Bob wrote:

So we can blame most of their problems on white settlement and colonisation. 

Finally we agree on something, what other major change in their lives has there been to cause al this then ? 

You seem to struggle with seeing life through other peoples minds and eyes.
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Originally posted by Fiddlesticks Fiddlesticks wrote:

You know a lot of this violence is because of modernisation of the indigenous, they would not be doing any of this in it's current form if they were still out roaming, hunting & gathering. Alcohol, boredom, self loathing and hopelessness would drive most of us to abuse drink or drugs, especially if you lived in some of the places where this violence takes place. Imagine the dread every morning as you wake with a rotten hangover and absolutely nothing to do for the day, no drive no nothing. Now I have no knowledge of if these people are violent in their pre colonisation state, as nomads/hunters etc.. none of us do, but if I'm going to speculate, the violence might have been in a different form, a cultural/spiritual type of thing, or the usual take care of your wife etc.. This stuff now, this violence is just disgraceful, alcohol, fuelled, boredom and misery. Imagine it, there is no way back to the old ways before white man arrived and seemingly no way forward for most trapped in remote regions, who lets face it, would likely feel very uncomfortable/awkward in a modern fast, white city. 

It is a problem with no clear answer, however I always look to nature for my answers and if I could offer any advice to indigenous folk in remote areas, it would be to instigate a zero tolerance of alcohol in all indigenous communities, end the misery by ending the tolerance of booze PERIOD. try and find a way back into living thru nature, leave all this crap the gov wants you to have and go find your own way back to your roots, go find love and passion in nature and the environment, go care for animals, go study mycology and native flora, set up things that interest you as a people, teach your art to as many as possible because its some of the most beautiful in the world, change has to start with them as a people, nothing we do or say is going to do a bit of good, it never will.    
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 I only watch the commercial channels for Survivor, The Amazing Race, the cricket and the footy.

 The ABC is the only really informative channel as far as news goes.

  
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while everyone is criticising the ABC for whatever they feel suits current personal opinions, i wonder how many , if any at all, have LIVED in remote australia, and by this I mean outback nsw qld wa sa nt etc, where the only broadcaster that is there 24/7 IS the ABC, provides regional national and international news, also market reports for commodities and produce , and a message source for local and national emergencies
it does all this whilst competing for coverage to all when every asian radio station in the world blares in throughout the day, then, when the sun goes down  BBC VOM and every radio station in australia all competing on the same frequencies, bias percieved or real is far far removed from reality of an ability to be a part of the wider world
i have worked in all these areas, coopers creek and beyond, heartbreak corner, pilbara etc and believe me they do a great job
commercial radio stations exist as well in some of these areas catering to the towns etc, and usully their coverage is pathetic, and there is a snowflakes chance in hell of it being improved, cos it costs too much money for little return, but one thing you always know thats there is the ABC


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So we can blame most of their problems on white settlement and colonisation. 
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You know a lot of this violence is because of modernisation of the indigenous, they would not be doing any of this in it's current form if they were still out roaming, hunting & gathering. Alcohol, boredom, self loathing and hopelessness would drive most of us to abuse drink or drugs, especially if you lived in some of the places where this violence takes place. Imagine the dread every morning as you wake with a rotten hangover and absolutely nothing to do for the day, no drive no nothing. Now I have no knowledge of if these people are violent in their pre colonisation state, as nomads/hunters etc.. none of us do, but if I'm going to speculate, the violence might have been in a different form, a cultural/spiritual type of thing, or the usual take care of your wife etc.. This stuff now, this violence is just disgraceful, alcohol, fuelled, boredom and misery. Imagine it, there is no way back to the old ways before white man arrived and seemingly no way forward for most trapped in remote regions, who lets face it, would likely feel very uncomfortable/awkward in a modern fast, white city. 

It is a problem with no clear answer, however I always look to nature for my answers and if I could offer any advice to indigenous folk in remote areas, it would be to instigate a zero tolerance of alcohol in all indigenous communities, end the misery by ending the tolerance of booze PERIOD. try and find a way back into living thru nature, leave all this crap the gov wants you to have and go find your own way back to your roots, go find love and passion in nature and the environment, go care for animals, go study mycology and native flora, set up things that interest you as a people, teach your art to as many as possible because its some of the most beautiful in the world, change has to start with them as a people, nothing we do or say is going to do a bit of good, it never will.    
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I heard on the radio that the domestic violence rate in NT aboriginal remote communities is 95 times the average rate.
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Just one of many Bob, will keep 'em coming if you like:

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Domestic and family violence in Australia statistics

  • 1 in 5 women have experienced physical or sexual violence by a current or former partner, while for men it is 1 in 16.
  • 75% of victims of domestic violence reported the perpetrator as male, while 25% reported the perpetrator as female.
  • Overall, 1 in 5 women and 1 in 20 men have experienced sexual violence. 
  • On average, one woman every nine days and one man every month is killed by a current or former partner.
Not necessarily in one year, but over a period of time ?
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Just one of many Bob, will keep 'em coming if you like:

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Domestic and family violence in Australia statistics

  • 1 in 5 women have experienced physical or sexual violence by a current or former partner, while for men it is 1 in 16.
  • 75% of victims of domestic violence reported the perpetrator as male, while 25% reported the perpetrator as female.
  • Overall, 1 in 5 women and 1 in 20 men have experienced sexual violence. 
  • On average, one woman every nine days and one man every month is killed by a current or former partner.



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Originally posted by Baghdad Bob Baghdad Bob wrote:

Originally posted by jujuno jujuno wrote:

 I think the Indigenous participants were highly out-numbered.  
What did you expect, when they are 3.3% of Australia's population, maybe a bit more in Alice Springs

Stop talking logic.

I do find it funny how some define aboriginality  by what they see in a photo from a lack of focussed distance.

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Remember reading a recent article noting that that 17% of Australians had experienced domestic violence in 2021.  And that the actual level would be far, far higher.

That for balance, and without underplaying the level of family violence in the NT.
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 I'm with you, Bob. I continually wonder why they aren't arrested .

 It cant be called 'culture'.

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No person whether they are white, black or brindle and vote for either the ALP, the Liberals, the Greens or the Teals could possibly condone the rape and bashings of children and women in the indigenous settlements anywhere in Australia.
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Funny that most peoples views on anything left right up down black white depends on ones political and moral persuasions, anything opposing personal views is seen as bias or tish (that incluides me lol)
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Fiddles, I think you had better get down to OPSM to get a pair of glasses, have a look at those 3 blokes sitting at the end of the second row, don't look like supporters of PH.
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