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Dr E
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aa, everything works in cycles, financial markets, property markets, climate, belief systems, politics, fashions, etc., and history repeats - the "Rivers of blood" speech is a classic example of the warning, what happened in so many formerly Christian countries in the middle east was the lesson, and UK and Europe are the reminder.
If we don't stop Muslims coming here, we deserve to be invaded, to have our way of life reduced to 3rd world standards, and live in fear of the next Radicalised Islamic Whack job who decides to abide by his religion. The CFMEUALPGetUpsetGreens will never do a thing about it, and Turnbull would look very unlikely as well, though there is some pressure coming from within the tent. The minor conservative parties are our hope. There is a push from the true LNP conservatives, but we really need to start giving power to the likes of One Nation (Pauline Hanson), The Australian Conservatives (Cory Bernardi), The Liberal Democrats (Leyonhjelm and Latham), etc ... all of these people recognise and call out the problem, and are demanding action. I really don't care about their other policies! The current mob, and the alternative, have us on track to a TRILLION DOLLARS in debt within a few years (forget the estimates, they are fraudulent). They are all in the pockets of unions, big business and overseas interests, so they are not governing in the interest of the majority. So no matter what these minor parties might do in government, it could be no worse than what we have had with the likes of Jacki Lambie, Nick Xenephon, The Human Headline, Oakescott, Windsor, Muir and other ill equipped opportunistic impostors who have been running the country from the cross benches for years. Even if they were to absolutely destroy the economy, what is the point of living "comfortably" in the shadows of Radical Islamic Terror? The number one job of our government is to protect us and our culture and lifestyle ... it is seriously time to support those who at least recognise that, not the soft cocks who are simply there by default, who talk the talk, but never walk the walk!
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Passing Through
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Sadly a second Australian has been declared a victim of these monsters, while no details have been released it is being suggested it is the blonde girl being featured as missing over the last 2 days . Their name wont be released till family have been informed
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cabosanlucas
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Well said. RIP Kirsty |
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oneonesit
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That is terrible. Seems to have taken a long time to ID these poor kids.
Absolute disgrace actually. Why is it that some folk do not see stopping Muslim immigration as a REAL option ? Even as a stop gap measure until things improve. How can you expect security services to monitor the situation when more are entering the country on a daily basis ? At least if you take this approach you have a better chance to monitor risk with those already here. It would also help in putting the Muslim population on notice. They need to understand they need to be part of the solution Our security forces are doing a great job. The least we can do is assist by controlling the numbers.
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Tlazolteotl
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Ah but you can't do that because it would annoy the ones that are already here- and we know what annoyed Muslims do. Ever heard of the phrase, they've got us by the short and curlies?
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Dr E
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Seems to be a change to the general tone of politicians, the media, and social media, which is long overdue and necessary ... this is war ... they know it, we had better work it out quick, and respond accordingly!
Coming soon to an Islamic School near YOU! |
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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marble
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I dont agree with you on most things - your a clown. But it is time to get serious about stopping this horror. If google can map every street in the world then surveilling these murderers shouldnt be impossible. i would put cameras with sound recording in every mosque in the world to keep tabs on them and if the imam doesnt allow the cameras then action should be taken against that mosque. Stop calling these murderers Jihadists and call them cowards. We need positive direct action now |
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Passing Through
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The SJWs and civil libertarians dont want surveillance, even if it helps eradicate this stuff
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marble
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its way beyond what the civil libertarians want - for all the innocent people that have lost loved ones including all the peaceful muslims that have been slaughtered, something concrete has to start happening to stop it
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cabosanlucas
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some sort of monitoring of every mosque and islamic school would be a start. whether thats video, audio...it would be a start. |
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Whale
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sure, and a cam in every nook and cranny in catholic institutions would be good too. the number of applicants for priesthood may fall dramatically though |
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Dr E
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Cheers marble, ringing personal endorsement aside (and we still live in a democratic society where we can disagree on anything), I'm glad that people are gradually seeing this stuff for what it is, and ignoring the out of touch apologists and deniers ... and I can categorically confirm that the stuff you see in that Islamic School is being tried on, in non-denominational Government schools in Bankstown as we speak ... their ideology calls for one faith, and one faith only, and you are nothing if you do not follow them - it also calls for them to lie through there teeth to achieve their ultimate goal - Islamification of the entire planet. There is not a single one who can be trusted. They will never integrate in any culture or society that is not approved by Islam. We need to stop allowing them to come here, first and foremost - which means supporting the leaders who endorse that - then we we need to call them out and deport those that we can, jail the others. |
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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cabosanlucas
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maccamax
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EXACTLY DR E . We are at war so let us start firing a few shots over the bow for the benefit of the ones already resident here.
GET THEM OFF THE STREETS . is starting to be the Government call in the usual weak voice . If they have reason to have several thousand on watch lists then put the where they can be watched. Under the monitor of strict conditions.:- Under House arrest after 10PM ... Not to leave the suburb of residence without Police permission....( For employment hours excepted ).... To many other restrictions to mention , whatever it takes . NO consorting with others on watch List . Turnbull will learn now that he reads TBV regularly. |
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Shrunk in the Wash
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Thanks for the heads up whale but I tried to find here those pesky Catholics slaughtered innocent people this week but. It appears that Google is slow to capture the news. I'll keep my eyes peeled |
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maccamax
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Pauline Hanson has suggested internment camps for watch list terrorist people. > Great idea but not new really.
We had the Boys Homes for wayward youth years ago . One at Gosford NSW. Wayward Girls at Parramatta , in the same street as the Gaol and the Cumberland Psychiatric Centre which housed the Criminally insane & others under detention for mental problems including Drug Use & Recurrent alcohol abuse. ( the inebriate act ) . One day we will wake up and ignore the fools who think todays society is on a better system of managing these safety issues. |
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cabosanlucas
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no such thing as a 'watch list' ...in reality only a few extremist potential murderers would be under 24/7 surveillance. again, it a numbers game...its simply impossible to track thousands of lunatics 24/7 the way it is now.
muslims make up 8% of the prison population in nsw and vic. 2% of population of oz. |
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Dr E
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... but the virtue signalling socialist loveys wont stand for it maccamax ... they squirm at the though of having bars and moats at the zoo.
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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maccamax
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So true Sir , but little thought given to the thousands who lose their life as a result of their so called humane methods of trying to manage madmen and criminals as a part of the normal society. The people who make these decisions are living in the safety of exclusive suburbs that have priced the "riff-raff" out. |
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Gay3
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I'm a British Muslim man of the same age as the London and Manchester terrorists – and I know why we turned out so differentThe answer to preventing extremism is encouraging real education about Islam from a young age, and focusing on the Saudi-funded Wahhabi mosques where some literature promotes dangerous ideals I am the same age as Salman Abedi, the Manchester suicide bomber, and almost the same age as the recently named London Bridge terrorists; I also profess to be of the same faith. Thankfully, these are the only two things we have in common. As well as studying medicine at university, I currently serve as the president of the UK Ahmadiyya Muslim Students Association. I spend a lot of my time working to organise interfaith dialogues and peace conferences. So how exactly did we turn out so different? And could knowing the answer to this help reduce the numbers of young people being brainwashed into extremism? The primary answer to this is education. Even in childhood, I always asked questions about my religion – and as I grew up, I had access to imams and elders ready to answer them. I was free to challenge them, to ask the toughest and most sensitive questions about the most “controversial” aspects of Islam. Through this process I learnt that Islam teaches there is no compulsion in religion, that taking even a single life is equivalent to killing the whole of mankind, and that saving a life is equivalent to saving the whole of humanity. I learnt that the concept of jihad is not about spreading religion through force, but about struggling against one’s own evil desires in order to reform oneself and become a pure-hearted, decent individual. I learnt that the Prophet Mohammed taught that loyalty to one’s nation of residence is part of one’s faith, reinforced by the fact that at least once a year at our religious functions we publicly make the pledge to serve our country whenever required. I learnt about the role of charity in Islam, and what the Qur’an calls the “steep ascent” – the true means of attaining nearness to God: “It is the freeing of a slave, or feeding in a day of hunger, an orphan near of kin, or a poor man lying in the dust.” I learnt that Islam is not a completely pacifistic religion, and there do exist verses about warfare – however, this is always strictly defensive. The Prophet Mohammed was faced with persecution from his own people for over a decade and yet only engaged in battle after he had migrated, for the purpose of protecting not only Islam, but the freedom of conscience for those of all faiths, which was being threatened at time. More generally, I learnt through the responses I got that everything in my faith was in harmony with human nature, and that nothing was dogmatic or unreasonable or a threat to society. I learnt that a strong grounding in Islamic knowledge is in fact protective from radicalisation. Defeating extremist ideology therefore lies to a large degree in the hands of Muslim imams and scholars. If they are able to educate their congregations from an early age about the true peaceful nature of Islam, then there is no threat that these individuals will become radicalised in their later life. Though this is an ideological battle, our Government can help with this too. A study conducted by an Islamic Studies expert at Newcastle University in 2007 found that around a quarter of UK mosques were found to have malignant and hateful literature. That literature’s publication and distribution was all linked to the Saudi Arabian government, and many of the mosques were Saudi-run. Wahhabism, the type of Islam practiced in Saudi Arabia, is an extremely severe form of Islam which is often cited by Isis as an inspiration. We must stop allowing Wahhabi mosques to be built in the UK, and do more to root out extremist preachers already here. One way of doing this, as mentioned by a prominent Muslim leader, is to monitor mosques, particularly Friday sermons, to weed out potential threats. The most efficient way of preventing radicalisation is by removing from our nation hateful clerics who have influence over young minds. Over the coming days and weeks, I and my Ahmadi Muslim friends will be attending vigils and commemorations for the recent attacks wearing T-shirts and holding banners with messages of peace and love. Perhaps I will talk to others there and shed a tear with them for the victims. Perhaps amidst our grieving hearts and hurt souls, I will be able to exchange words of hope with people on witnessing the unity and pluralism that these atrocities brought out in our society. Perhaps I will encounter people whose views on Islam are forged by the terrorists, and perhaps they will look at me and my friends, British Muslims of a similar age to the extremists, and ask: “How did you turn out so different?” And with a smile we will tell them. |
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cabosanlucas
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if only islam had more people like him. he sounds a good fella.
but this bit is simply astounding and infuriating : "A study conducted by an Islamic Studies expert at Newcastle University in 2007 found that around a quarter of UK mosques were found to have malignant and hateful literature" A quarter. how did this go unchecked and why did these mosques have a congregation at all? if its hateful and malignant doctrine being taught...why didnt followers leave and leave these mosques empty? and thats 2007. the muslim population in the uk has grown by many millions since then. how many of these mosques now? how many in oz? you would think public funded muslim schools would be closely checked and monitored. but as that video doc posted showed....not only was that school preaching filth and hate...it was getting commended for it. extremely dire and dangerous times. the horse has bolted sadly... |
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The primary answer is education.....you read that part, Oneone??
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cabosanlucas
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Of course its education. thats correct but so simplistic it almost doesnt mean anything. like saying you need bricks to build a house.
"who is going to do the educating??" who is going to educate the radical hate filled imams? who is going to educate the young kids attending radical mosques? who is going to educate parents about keeping tabs on your kids going to radical mosques? or are the parents taking there and joining in the hate. who is going to educate the education dept about funding hate filled islamic schools? who is going to educate the 17 yr old imams spewing hate and filth in govt funded islamic schools? yep...its all about education. good luck achieving it. |
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Shoosh for a second. I was talking to Oneone.
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cabosanlucas
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what did he post? |
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subastral
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Long story. Different subject. Not worth going back into it, for everyone's sake!! |
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Ahmadiyya MuslimI said weeks ago that they're the "good guys". Unfortunately they don't speak for the rest which are the vast majority. They are also constantly under attack from fellow Muslims and often declared "apostates". One was killed in the UK last year for wishing Christians a Happy Easter.
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the old woman nag, cabo wants you to go back in detail, she delights in petty minutiae
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Passing Through
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He has trouble keeping up.
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cabosanlucas
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irony. |
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