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acacia alba
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Speaking from experience ???
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animals before people.
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TIGER
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Hyenas are the biggest pest
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maccamax
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I love to see those big cats slaughtered , They are out killing every day.
Almost as bad as Humans , who rear little lambs like pets and then eat them. |
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Glen McGrath loves elephant hunting
Sad world we live in |
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acacia alba
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what would you expect of fungus ? it lives in the dark and feeds off rotten mulch.
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Passing Through
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Mushroom shaped apparently.
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acacia alba
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Big guns = little willies.
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animals before people.
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Whale
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I understand sick people of all races hunt big game but it is an industry in China and supplying them is by far the largest source of wildlife slaughter
Shark fin soup too, sharks are not cuddly animals but the unbelievably cruel fate they suffer
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Passing Through
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Whale
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I accept most things the Chinese do but not their primitive, savage ridiculous attitude to animal therapies, sick bastards
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acacia alba
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See the picture today of the creep who shot the 2 police in Glenn Innes, NSW ? A big game hunter, posing with a dead giraffe, like he has really done something clever !! OMG, how sick is that .
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acacia alba
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The chinese who pay huge amounts for rhino horn, causing so much killing of the animals, are complete idiots. The horn is just keratin, same as their finger nails. Come in suckers !!!!!
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animals before people.
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Gay3
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I'm pretty sure all the big cats are now on the endangered list with some ranked as critical, along with the African Hunting dog so I'm afraid you're restricted to the hyenas macca
The way I see it, only a few will care if the wild population in its' entirety is wiped out Those making ludicrous profits from their trade will soon find an equally viable venture & their end of the line customers may actually discover the merit of alternative health treatments. |
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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maccamax
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I save the antelope , Giraffe's , Buffalo , elephants and other grass eating animals.
I only shoot The big cats & hyenas. |
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Baghdad Bob
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With the Sydney test commencing today and the support of the community of the Jan McGrath Foundation I am still unable to get out of my mind around ,one hand ,Glen McGrath's killing an elephant for sport, and then setting up a foundation to respect of his late wife's battle with cancer.
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acacia alba
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Arnt people just Christmas puddings ? Look at that rhino. Thats so bad. And even worse to think the so called modern country , powerful country, ( with their people hacking our security systems, )( China ) think that horn is going to make them root like a rabbit. How dark ages stuff is that ?? God help us if they get power in our part of the world. They will probably go all out on the wombats, because they will believe wombats eats roots and leaves
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Isaac soloman
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acacia alba
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I also see on the news Japan is going to be hunting whales again this coming year. Thankfully not in the southern oceans around us, but anywhere is horrible.
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Isaac soloman
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i cant stand to hear about this.
i look away. just let china go ahead a nd kill the lot, and be done with it. lets not forget what they have done to the sharks, for shark fin soup which is very hush hush nowadays. need to find an attractive use for cane toads that the chinese have to have.
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Gay3
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Giraffes just silently went to the list of endangered animals facing extinctionGiraffes have been widely overlooked in conservation practices for a little too long. They just made their entry into the Red List of endangered species.
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subspecies of giraffes were recently added to the list of “critically
endangered” species for the first time ever, as per the latest report by
IUCN. Two subspecies of giraffes were recently added to the list of "critically endangered" species for the first time ever, as per at the latest report by the International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN), which administers the world's official endangered species list. The IUCN reported on Saturday that they have moved the giraffe from the list of 'Least Concern' to that of 'Vulnerable' status in their Red List of Threatened Species report. The next slots after 'vulnerable' are 'endangered', 'critically endangered', 'extinct in the wild', and 'extinct'. Thus, if we do nothing about it, giraffes could become extinct in the wild in the medium-term future. Which giraffe species are facing extinction?There are nine subspecies of giraffes. Five of them are declining in numbers, two are improving, and one is stable, reports the New York Times. Two subspecies of the world's tallest land animal -- the Kordofan giraffe and the Nubian giraffe - were added to the list of "critically endangered. These giraffe subspecies are found mainly across East, Central, and West Africa. Another subspecies living in the Horn of Africa -- called the reticulated giraffe - was listed as "endangered". Giraffe subspecies which got a status upgradeEven though the Kordofan giraffe and the Nubian giraffe are now critically endangered, the West African and the Rothschild's giraffe species have seen an increase in their numbers, leading to an upgrade in their conservation status. The smallest subspecies of West African giraffes grew from just 50 in the 1990s to 400 today, thanks to immense work by the Niger government and conservationists. Giraffes are overlooked in conservation practiceGiraffes have never been considered to be at any big threat of disappearing, but the truth is -- they have been steadily decreasing in number over the years. However, this new classification came as a surprise even to some conservationists, as observing them often in zoos or in movies makes us believe "they will be fine" and we barely guess that they could be in danger. The cries for help have centred on rhinos, elephants and the illegal trade of pangolins for the last decade. The dwindling populations of giraffe species -- some as low as 400 -- happened so quietly that barely anyone got an idea of the tallest land animals reaching so close to disappearing off the face of Earth. They are shockingly more endangered than any gorilla. As per a report by The Guardian by Damian Carrington, the number of giraffes has dropped from 157,000 in 1985 to 97,500 in just the last 31 years. That's a decline of almost 40 per cent. Giraffes have already disappeared from seven countries -- Eritrea, Guinea, Burkina Faso, Nigeria, Malawi, Mauritania, and Senegal. They have been in danger for the last century in Africa. Cause behind giraffes becoming endangeredAs with the endangerment or extinction of any animal or plant species now, humans are at the root of it. Increased urbanisation, poaching, illegal hunting practices, and civil unrest in parts of Africa prove to be an increasing danger for giraffes. The top cause for concern is that the world's tallest land animals are losing their habitat primarily because of land being taken over for agriculture, mining or construction. Stopping this is a huge task as it essentially means hampering the economy and livelihood of people and stopping land development. Other than poaching or villagers eating its meat for food scarcity, they are also shockingly killed just for their tails as they are seen as a status symbol in some cultures and can be used as a dowry, as per National Geographic reports by Jani Actman. https://indiatoday.in/education-today/gk-current-affairs/story/giraffes-now-endangered-species-and-threatened-animal-can-become-extinct-html-1407091-2018-12-11?fbclid=IwAR2KvGEc4UwYJ09mZ59UlUsK4fqPsKE7xAPmGQ-lfBMqpYY6n0Rem1cL5P4 |
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acacia alba
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Go the lions
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djebel
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Always good to read the animals getting one or two back for the team.
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reductio ad absurdum
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Gay3
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More than one alleged poacher thought to be killed by lionsThree poachers are known to have entered the Sibuya Game Reserve, owner says
05 July 2018
At least two alleged poachers, maybe even three, were killed by a pride of lions on the Sibuya Game Reserve outside Kenton-on-Sea this week. This was revealed by reserve owner Nick Fox following the discovery of human remains in the lion camp on the reserve earlier this week. A hunting rifle with a silencer attached and a long axe and wire cutters were recovered at the scene by police. What we did see is the rifle on the ground as well as food, mainly bread, scattered everywhere. Human remains were also clearly visible. Fox said he suspected more than one person was attacked by the lions – based on the evidence found on the scene. “Judging from the shoes and items found on the scene, I suspect it is about two or maybe three (alleged poachers) who were killed. The remains were scattered over a very wide area making it difficult to comb the scene and get all the evidence,” he said. Fox added that he suspected alleged poachers had entered the reserve on Sunday night or early Monday morning. Fox said the discovery was made after the Anti-Poaching Unit Dog started barking while on patrol. “The dogs' reaction was then followed by a commotion coming from the pride of lions. On Tuesday afternoon we were then alerted to a skull that was seen near the lions,” he said. “I went to investigate together with the anti-poaching unit. Because it was too dangerous to get out of the car, we could not examine the scene as the lions were close-by. What we did see is the rifle on the ground as well as food, mainly bread, scattered everywhere. Human remains were also clearly visible.” Fox said police were alerted but, due to bad lighting and the lions being active, a decision was made to dart and tranquilise the lions on Wednesday morning. “It was a pride of six lions that we darted in order to give police time to comb the scene. The evidence was covered over a very wide area and obviously, due to the tranquiliser only lasting a certain period, we had limited time.” Fox said that the rifle, fitted with a silencer, as well as an axe was found on the scene. “They were obviously poachers. The axe that was found on the scene is what is used to by these poachers to hack off the horn after they kill the animal. Judging by the number of shoes and evidence on the scene, I estimate at least two or maybe three were killed.” Asked if he was happy that the rhinos were safe, Fox said that he was extremely happy. “It is huge relief that they did not get to the rhino. We had a poaching around this exact same time two years ago,” he said. Police spokesperson Captain Mali Govender said that investigators and specialists combed the scene and managed to retrieve remains which were taken by the department of health for forensic testing Wednesday morning. “The firearm has been taken by police and will be sent to the ballistics laboratory to establish if it has been used in any other poaching or crimes.” In June 2016, two white rhinos were killed and a third died later from injuries sustained in the poaching incident. This year alone, nine rhinos – all shot with a high-calibre hunting rifle – were killed by poachers on Eastern Cape reserves.Last week, Bella, a rhino at the Kragga Kamma Game Park, was killed just a week after she was dehorned. The Sibuya reserve is situated fairly close to Port Alfred, where three rhinos were killed in May. |
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acacia alba
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I know in Botswana, at every border post they have huge posters everywhere , saying that our wildlife is our future. Our wildlife is our road to prosperity.
As we travelled around we used to see all these high wire fences topped by barbed. Private game reserves. Some for hunting. Potted lion our guide called it. They just breed the animal and then the hunter comes in and shoots it. SICK. No sport,,,just sit and wait until the lion,,or whatever ,,walks past about 50 mtrs away, and blast it. What do they get out of that ?? Others were for game viewing only. Our guide had been a hunter guide as a young bloke. He is now into conservation. I ask him about Cecil. He said the hunter in charge deliberatley lured Cecil out of the park,,,he set his rich American up just to wait for Cecil to come into view, while he went and lured him out with a food trail. Corruption in those countries is just so bad its disgusting. Anything that will get the rich richer is a go-er. We were told the money we think goes to helping kids, when we donate, those kids would be lucky if they ever saw $1 in $50. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. As to poachers. OMG. I thought they crawled in thru fences at night. Not so. They drive in like ordinary tourists,,,guns in the boot,,,they go out looking around like tourists, and pick their animal and go back at night, shoot it, take the bit they want in the car boot, and drive out of the park the next day. If they waste time on a de horned rhino, they kill it anyway, so they dont waste time on it again !!!! When we were in Etosha there was a huge search going on , of all cars, at the gates , with sniffer dogs. Our guide said there must have been some sort of tip off or hint or something, and they believed poachers were moving in. In Chobe there was a huge army camp on the river bank just near the big population of elephants. They told us they guard the elephants at all time and they shoot to kill, no questions ask. Lets hope Botswana hold strong. Without the wildlife, tourists wont go to that dry dusty dreary place, so they better wise up. |
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max manewer
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Not in Darwin, in Feb '42 apparently. The seeming imminence of a Jap invasion caused a civilian bug-out which left only a few looters in town, and a smattering of servicemen with precious little arms and ammunition, guarding the beaches. No weekend hunters in sight ! |
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I used to feel sorry for the big cats until I saw a Buffalo being eaten alive by a pride of Lions.
That's natures way I expect but so is Humans knocking a few off as practice for North Koreas masses when the time comes. Most of Australia wouldn't know how to aim a gun so we are easy prey for any invader. ( unlike WW2 , The population were good marksmen) |
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These hunters are suffering from FITH Syndrome, imo.
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https://bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-africa-41163520
How big game hunting is dividing southern AfricaBy Mark EastonDrifting down the Zambezi in Zimbabwe, I overheard two American men swapping hunting stories. "First shot got him in the shoulder," a white man in his late sixties explained to his friend. "Second hit him right in the side of the head!" Pointing at his temple, he passed his phone with a picture. The animal in question was a dead crocodile. Crocodiles are easy to find on this part of the Zambezi: lying in the sun on the banks of the river, boats can float just a few feet away. And given that they are motionless for most of the time, not hard to shoot, I imagine. The second American showed his pal a picture of a Cape Buffalo he had killed, and planned to have shoulder mounted. He complained he couldn't afford the $19,000 (£14,500) Zimbabwe demands for the licence to kill an elephant. His buffalo cost him $8,000 (£6,100). "Are they saying an elephant is worth more than two buffalo?" he lamented. "I saw hundreds of elephants today. Far too many. You have to see it here to realise. In California they are saying these animals are endangered!" The first man's wife then talked of the thrill she gets at the kill, discussing how different calibres of bullet explode the vital organs of African wildlife. I left to look at the hippos watching from the river. But, curiously, I have felt obliged to consider the ethics of big game hunting at home in London in the last few months. I'm an Arsenal fan, and it recently emerged that my team's owner, American sports tycoon Stan Kroenke, had launched a TV channel in the UK featuring lion and elephant hunting . High profile supportersThe corporate values of family brand Arsenal do not sit easily with pay-to-view videos of hunters shooting animals for fun, and after a couple of days of hostile publicity, Kroenke ordered his channel to stop showing the killing of some big game. But both sides in the hunting debate claim they are the true guardians of animal welfare. Supporters of African trophy hunting, including some in very high places - two of President Trump's sons are avid big game hunters - argue that a ban on hunting would harm wildlife and local people. It would stop much needed revenue reaching some of Africa's poorest communities, discourage conservation and cut funds for wildlife management that would make it easier for poachers to operate, they say.
Opponents counter that little of the profit from trophy hunting money ends up in the communities where it takes place. They say poachers use legal hunting as cover for their illegal activities, and argue that there are more efficient and humane ways to support the welfare of southern Africa's animals and people. I was travelling in Zimbabwe and neighbouring Botswana last month - two countries with opposing policies towards big game hunters. Hunting is still big business in Zimbabwe, as the rich Americans on the Zambezi demonstrate, but since 2014 it has been completely banned in Botswana . Majestic animalsThe difference in approach between Botswana and its neighbours - South Africa, Namibia and Zambia also allow trophy hunting - was brought dramatically home to me in the country's glorious Chobe National Park. In the late afternoon, I watched a herd of around 600 Cape Buffalo snake its way down to the Chobe River that marks the boundary with Namibia. It was mesmerising to see these majestic animals following each other, nose to tail, across the water. Then my guide pointed out two vehicles on the horizon, across the river. "Hunters," he explained, simply. Through the binoculars we could see six men with rifles. Apparently oblivious to the risk, the buffalo continued to cross the border towards them. Later, shots would be heard. In a move interpreted as a direct challenge to the wildlife policies of other southern African nations, Botswana's President Ian Khama is marching his country towards a new model of African tourism: "low impact/high value". Botswana believes that by protecting its animals and minimising humankind's footprint on the natural world, it can turn the country into an exclusive tourist destination that brings in far more than it loses from the ban on hunting. Hostile environmentBotswana is home to more than a third of Africa's dwindling elephant population, and - since the hunting ban - these intelligent animals have increasingly sought refuge there. The concentration of elephants is a huge draw for tourists but, as predicted by opponents of the ban, it is also a huge temptation for less scrupulous hunters and poachers. Botswana's answer is to make the country a hostile environment for those who want to harm the wildlife. Military bases have been moved to the borders of the national parks. Armed patrols on foot and in the air are ready, if necessary, to kill people coming to kill animals. Some poachers have been shot dead. The hunting ban doesn't just apply to rich trophy hunters. It also limits or outlaws the shooting of game by local people for food or to protect crops and livestock. The Botswana government believes if there is any legal shooting of animals, the big poaching syndicates and illegal hunting operations will use that as cover for their activities. In Mabele village, close to the Namibian border, I watched a man mixing an extraordinary cocktail: crushed tabasco chillies, elephant dung and engine oil. With a flourish he set the contents on fire and stood back to admire his handiwork. "That is supposed to stop an elephant trampling my crops," Chibeya Longwani told me, pointing at the ash in the tin. CompensationHe spread it along the sides of his field, beside plastic chairs, broken electric fans and beer crates, as instructed by the Ministry of Agriculture. "They said that bees stop elephants too," Mr Longwani said. "But they don't have the boxes at the moment." His frustration was obvious. As well as advice on deterring elephants, farmers can claim compensation from the government if wild game does damage property. But if they kill the animals, they are likely to get nothing. To police the new approach, the Department of Wildlife and National Parks has recruited an army of Special Wildlife Scouts, operating in rural villages. Their job, for example, includes ensuring families don't take more than the five guinea fowl they are allowed each day, and that farmers are honest in their compensation claims. It is a nationwide exercise in social engineering - trying to change the ancient relationship between the rural population and the wild animals around them. The government believes the long-term rewards justify the rules. Many farmers remain unconvinced. For those tourists coming to Botswana with cameras rather than guns though, the policies have created an utterly captivating wild landscape teeming with amazing African animals and birds. And "elite travellers" are prepared to pay big money for the privilege of seeing it. Anti-poaching initiativesDuring the high season, a single room in one of the most exclusive lodges on the Okovango Delta can cost more than $5,000 (£3,830) a night, equivalent to the price of a Namibian licence to shoot a single leopard. Many tourist lodge operators work in partnership with local villages. I encountered one lodge where 10% of the business turnover will soon go to the community nearby. Villagers often have a direct say in development plans. International tourism is expected to bring in $210m (£160m) to Botswana this year, rising to $370m (£280) by 2021 - more than trophy hunters spend across the whole of southern Africa. Many in Zimbabwe, by contrast, see hunting as an inextricable part of Africa's cultural heritage, believing that, if done sustainably and responsibly, it can be a valuable addition to the region's economy and wildlife management. The walking guides who take tourists into the bush there aren't allowed to operate until they have passed a state exam that includes shooting an elephant and a buffalo. I asked one guide how he had felt about doing it. "It depends if you like hunting," was his enigmatic reply. The Zimbabwean government argues that 75% of proceeds from trophy hunting goes towards wildlife preservation and anti-poaching initiatives. Toxic impactThe recent Great Elephant Census project suggests Zimbabwe's elephant population has fallen 11% in a decade, with poaching and illegal hunting threatening to wipe out whole herds in parts of the country. The killing of Cecil the lion by an American trophy hunter just outside Zimbabwe's protected Hwange National Park area in 2015 made headline news around the world. The furore prompted a number of airlines to ban the transport of "trophies" from Africa , another sign of how toxic hunting has become for international brands. Three years after introducing its hunting ban, Botswana is so far holding firm, despite huge pressure from other southern African nations. It is a critical time for the policy. Any stumble, and the hunters are waiting on the horizon. |
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I thought Viagra would kill the rhino horn demand from the midget-dicks. Boy was I wrong.
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