Who would you breed this mare to?

I have a placed Haradasun mare who is a maiden   She is out of a lovely family and is a half sister to a group 3 winning NZ 2yo of this season. Her name is Shiba Sakura and is from the family of Zamzam, Thunder Lady etc.

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Roman Emperor (NZ) Brown 2005	Montjeu Bay 1996	Sadler's Wells Bay 1981	Northern Dancer Bay 1961	Nearctic Natalma	1954 1957	14-c 2-d
			Fairy Bridge Bay 1975	Bold Reason Special	1968 1969	19-b 5-h
		Floripedes Bay 1985	Top Ville Bay 1976	High Top Sega Ville	1969 1968	11-a 8-i
			Toute Cy Bay 1979	Tennyson Adele Toumignon	1970 1971	1-t 1-u
	Gussy Godiva Bay 1998	Last Tycoon Bay or brown 1983	Try My Best Bay 1975	Northern Dancer Sex Appeal	1961 1970	2-d 8-f
			Mill Princess Bay 1977	Mill Reef Irish Lass	1968 1962	22-d 8-c
		Sneetch Bay 1991	Grosvenor Bay 1979	Sir Tristram My Tricia	1971 1974	6-e 8>
			Sellou Brown 1982	Sound Reason Sanderae	1974 1967	21-a 4-b
Fleur de l'Orient (NZ) Bay or brown 2000	Thunder Gulch Chestnut 1992	Gulch Bay 1984	Mr Prospector Bay 1970	Raise a Native Gold Digger	1961 1962	8-f 13-c
			Jameela Bay or brown 1976	Rambunctious Asbury Mary	1960 1969	19> A4
		Line of Thunder Bay 1987	Storm Bird Bay 1978	Northern Dancer South Ocean	1961 1967	2-d 4-j
			Shoot a Line Bay 1977	High Line Death Ray	1966 1959	5-e 11-d
	Fleur de Chine Bay or brown 1993	Centaine Brown 1980	Century Brown 1969	Better Boy Royal Suite	1951 1960	2-n 20>
			Rainbeam Bay 1973	Vain Rain Shadow	1966 1967	A10 C7
		Sellou Brown 1982	Sound Reason Bay or brown 1974	Bold Reason New Tune	1968 1968	19-b 21-a
			Sanderae Bay 1967	Oncidium Nell	1961 1959	16-b 4-b

Ancestor duplications:

Northern Dancer

4m,5m x 5m

Bold Reason

5f x 5m

Sellou

4f x 3f

Are you selling or racing?

Zabeel is the sire of Sufficient from this family who won at 1600m.  Londehero by Lonhro was nominated for the Doomben 10000, so not just a family of stayers.  Her half sister won over 1200m as a 2yo and is by Zed, a son of Zabeel, but not necessarily of the staying variety I would suggest.  Zed is closely related to Octagonal and out of a Danehill mare.

Yes, Sorry people the first theoretical pedigree was a mistake, the dam rather than the mare herself.

I just took a look at her race record and those of her sblings, not many of them seem to have won over a distance. The mate herself flopped badly at 2 goes at the mil
Struck me as odd given he pedigree

On type she is quite a good sized mare, when I purchased her I was told by others she was a different to most of the female side who are predominately small apparently. With her race results she initially showed Matt Kropp a tonne of ability, I started enquiries about her after she ran down the track in toowoomba. She was hit with grass clods a few times and started sucking wind through the vagina and obviously gave up the whole race horse idea.   Ideally I would send her to something commercial. I am not a big fan of Holy Roman Emperor, Rothesay appeals but not really for the ring. I would really like a proven horse that is affordable for a stud workers wage. A Snitzel stallion I thought would be ok and even Attention would suit her

A couple of quick thoughts.  

I know you don't like hre but he would probably be the most commercial sire in Qld and not a bad stud record either with nearly 6% SW/r they love him in HK.



Then there my old fav Domesday, sitting on 60% w/r and 3% SW/r and the majority of them in the much stronger states of Vic and nsw.



Its pretty tough out there for small breeders, most stallions with a good record are expensive and the unproven ones that smelt the arse of a group one winner are even way overpriced.

Well Djebel above gave you a female cross.  I think it's a female line which has produced some very good staying types so something like Sadler's Wells, Zabeel etc wouldn't be bad.

The best in the recent pedigree would have to be Tully Thunder
I'm no expert on this stuff so how do you go about getting some of that Thundet Gulch into her?

Congratulations ianb on obtaining this mare, i think you have brought into a wonderful family. It is a family that I am very interested in as I have a friend who breeds from a daughter of Tully Thunder (brought on my recommendation,)  Roman Emperor was designed on this software (nothing to do with me ) and I race a horse that has won two from two by Sufficient.

Regarded by many as the fastest horse of all time, he also carries the pattern.

So returning to Shiba Sukura.. below are the places (the male lines of the dams in her pedigree) I would look at first, and try and incorporate these into the planned mating in order to give you the greatest result.

If out of your budget range , I hope you come into funds and can consider the mating.  Alternatives are to bring a partners in.  Pluses are that he is a proven sire.