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djebel
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Look clearly this is an immotve issue, It is also a nonsense issue, She is in no danger, No more danger than any other horse. If anybody thinks she is in danger than we should just ban horse racing all together. |
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reductio ad absurdum
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acacia alba
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Pathetic because I think its a dirty thing to do ? And it is. Dirty and underhanded, and just wrong . But then there are many people who just dont know right from wrong when money enters into it. If you see this deplorable act as acceptable, then you are a bit pathetic, but thats just MHO.
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animals before people.
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Smoke and Mirrors
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This happens every day of the week. Non issue whatsoever imho |
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"Go Hard or Go Home”
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Bonjour
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No, it's about ethics, integrity and welfare......oxymoron there me thinks
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Bonjour
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Yes, yes, and yes to all the above.
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acacia alba
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I am not saying she is in danger. But she is being used up, when the trainer who knew her best felt she had reached the point where she had no more left to give, and because they all cared for her, and appreciated the wonderful time she had given them, they wanted her to have a happy retirement. Some people in this game do care about the animal, but not all it seems.
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animals before people.
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Bonjour
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Gee that was John Wayne's real name too......he was a cowboy as well.
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VOYAGER
Champion Joined: 04 Aug 2007 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 18736 |
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I agree wirth just about everyone who has posted here.
1. If you wanted to sell her and thought she had had enough, which is a legitimate concern, then you should have put a non racing clause into the sale. 2. The owners should feel, lied to here. The buyer, told the owners she would be breeding in Japan, which is technically the truth, but they obviously did not realise that the northern hemisphere do not breed until early next year, and there was a possibility she may have a spring campaign. 3. The buyer, is now the owner and they have every right to do what ever they want with the horse. Having said that would I race her again, NO! 4. Waller as has been stated, will see how she goes, in training and we all know her performance level, so if she is showing signs of not being interested, he will pull the plug. The only problem I have, is what race will Waller aim her at! If it is a light prep, I mean surely you would not put her through all the pre-training and trackwork, if you did not have a target in mind. If she is being raced, just for the sake of racing her, then I do have a huge problem with that! |
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djebel
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If I owned her I would be telling Waller to aim her at a first up tilt at the Epsom.
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jacko1
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If the owners were misled about her future then that's a shame but it all seems a bit vague so far.
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Smoke and Mirrors
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I agree with most of this. |
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"Go Hard or Go Home”
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Passing Through
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djebel
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WOW!
He was emotional. Trainers are less emotional when a horse loses its life. They have to simply hope she does herself proud if she does race. I certainly do, She would only be getting the best of everything with Waller. |
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Bonjour
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If media reports are correct, then a verbal agreement was broken, it seems very unlikely a Japanese gentleman would break an agreement......to lose face? not Japanese at all, the Yakuza maybe, but not one of Japan's leading businessmen. As I said, Waller doesn't need the money, so do the right thing.
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Smoke and Mirrors
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The owners should’ve put it in writing if they were that concerned.
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Second Chance
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What's the right thing: knock the mare back only to see either one of Snowden, Hawkes, Weir, Hayes, Maher, McEvoy, Price etc accept her?
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djebel
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Apparently he has knocked good horses back before. Single Gaze joins Chris Waller's stable6 hours ago by Isaac Ling & AAP Single Gaze has joined Chris Waller's yardImage: Getty Group One-winning mare Single Gaze has joined Chris Waller's yard despite previous reports that she had been retired. Formerly with Canberra trainer Nick Olive, the five-year-old was sold to Japanese interests during the autumn with her then trainer and owners of the belief she was heading to the breeding barn. However, the mare's new connections have appointed Waller to train her, in a move that came as a surprise to Olive. "[It's] A bit of a shock to all of us," Olive said on RSN's Racing Pulse program on Wednesday morning. "Chris (Waller) actually called me and let me know, and obviously news broke last night after that. "We made the decision to retire her. The offer came in, it was a good offer and she was sold on the proviso that she was going to stud in Japan." Single Gaze won five races from 33 starts under Olive, including the Group One Vinery Stud Stakes in 2016. "We made the decision to retire her and let her move on to the next part of her life and enjoy things. If we had any intention of racing on, we would have raced on ourselves," Olive said. In her most recent campaign, which finished in March, Single Gaze ran second in both the Group One CF Orr Stakes at Caulfield and the Group One Ranvet Stakes at Rosehill. Waller said he felt for Olive, who was among the ownership group that sold Single Gaze. "My first thoughts were 'Gee, I wonder how that'll go down'," Waller said. "Nick's done a fantastic job with her and as I see it, if I didn't take her someone else would. "I've said no to a lot of good horses. I train for Mr Yoshida and if I say no to the owner, well I'm pretty much saying I can't train any of his horses." Waller said Single Gaze would be assessed over the next month and her regular jockey Kathy O'Hara would provide valuable input. "If she says the horse is going great I'm sure Mr Yoshida will take that into consideration and ask us to find races for her," he said. "If not she'll just go up and be a mum." |
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Second Chance
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No-one, believe me no-one, knocks back an opportunity to train a Yoshida horse.
And let's not get too emotive Bonjour, because there's absolutely no truth in your allegation that Waller "necked" Nick Olive. The offer came out of the blue, Waller accepted (see above), and immediately phone Nick personally. And if the mare doesn't come up there's no doubt Waller will pull the pin.
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Underground
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she will win a group 1 this spring and I will laugh at the reactions in here, some of you need to get a grip, shes a rising 6yo fiddlesticks
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djebel
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Waller seems to have pit the pressure on O'Hara. If she says she does not feel great do people think she is being loyal to her previous owners ?
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Second Chance
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Suspect her first loyalty will be to the mare, one would hope objectively.
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billyjack
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Wouldn,t it have been funny on here if she had of gone to Weir,then there would of been a few different comments from certain members
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djebel
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I am not happy about either trainer getting more horses, They factories not horse yards. What you can be sure of is the horses are not being trained by the man with his name on the licence.
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3blindmice
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They may have understood she was being bought (/retired) for breeding but it's a VERY long bow that they were ignorant of NH breeding times. |
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acacia alba
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Among my mates, when a mare comes off the track for breeding, they get a bit of time to let down/relax/settle in to life OTT. So, is she not to be allowed to get that time ? She has to race, right up until NH breeding time ??? On the track one week and into the barn the next week !!! And then they will have the hide to wonder why she doesnt take, or mis carries I reckon the previous owners are well aware of NH breeding times, and like me, they expected she would get some down time before being served. Of course Waller couldnt knock her back ! What would that do to him and his training for the Jap owners ??? But no where here have I seen Bonjour accuse Waller of necking Olive ?? I just think its unethical, nasty , and unfair on the horse. |
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Smoke and Mirrors
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Mr Yoshida owns her now. He can do what he wants with her... if you were that concerned about her then maybe you should’ve bought her yourself |
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tillyras
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I sold my house a couple of years ago, found out the new owner ripped up the carpet and didn’t water the garden.
I didn’t cry on national radio about it. |
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RED HUNTER
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QU (Racing Australia)
Why is SINGLE GAZE shown as now being trained by CHRIS WALLER but owners? still same as before? If sold to Japanese interests in AUTUMN. or is the JAPANESE owner/s hidden in the REDBANK name? quote
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Prince of Penzance
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Red the owners details do not update until paperwork is received
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