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furious
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Posted: 05 Feb 2020 at 6:12am |
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Sooboog is throwing some lovely types (already have a couple marked to follow). I can only go on photos as don't know if I'll get to any sales this year but the photos up for the classic show a type I like alot. Flying Arties are all over the shop at the moment and while I would love him to succeed I'm not sure the breeders are putting the right mares to him.
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Glencoe
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I'm with you Furious . S Star should succeed
He and other lesser lights in this crop such as Kiss & Make Up And Cable Bay should come to the fore. Sooboog also another of that ilk who is a good chance Flying Arties will do well given time
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furious
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Was just reading a review of some Stratum Star yearlings for the classic on Breednet. Two of them I though were the same horse until I looked at the different leg markings. Talk about peas in a pod. Hope he makes it at stud. Love his pedigree and picked him and his sister Serenade from the sales. Loved Prague also but put him in the too dear bunch. There are always some you love that just go too dear.
Sometimes you hit a mare at the sales which just screams breed to be a good broodmare and Purely Spectacular is one such mare. Look at the pedigree. Snippets/Lunchtime for all the Snitzel blood out there. Also for anything with Rory's Jester. Kaoru Star never hurts a pedigree they were tough and sound. Humour was in the blue hen department. O'Reilly/Last Tycoon for all the Redoute's mares. Courtza's family for all the 1-n sires out there or others from the different branches of 13a/b/c. Emancipation/Bletchingly just add to the excitement.
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robbo
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Thanks guys - really interesting food for thought. The depth of colonial influence really attracts me to his page. The analogy with Spirit of Boom is interesting and I went back and watched Stratum Star's Blue Diamond Preview run, which actually had some merit.
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Second Chance
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Whoops, hadn't seen your first post when I posted mine Furious.
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furious
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We now have to hope that he comes out and keeps his form or the studs will back off and never try again.
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furious
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You could add that Spirit of Boom who has come out with a boom had over 50 starts also. So many colts train off and loose value so they just don't keep them going. You couldn't find a more honest horse than Lonhro and he has performed admirable. With Pierro firing it looks like he has kept the Sir Tristram sireline going. While Spirit of Boom has a far less favourable pedigree to Stratum Star it's good he's come to the fore. We need to stop the good horses disappearing as three year olds. Could of seen Merchant Navy again like we are seeing Trapeze Artist (thanks to the Everest).
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Second Chance
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Don't know whether he'll make it or not Robbo, however the photos of him suggest he certainly doesn't lack scope or leg.
As for the light pedigree there's a cross of Lunchtime and four crosses of Star Kingdom through Kaoru Star and Bletchingly. Throw in those two Kiwi stalwarts Pins and O'Reilly and there's plenty of male strength there. You'd have to think he'd struggle just a bit commercially early on however Widden helps at the buying bench.
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furious
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Likewise there is enough stamina there to suggest he could also sire classic/miler types.
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furious
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Hi Robbo I don't think the pedigree is light on. His two year old form was - he definately got better with age. His sire was the winner of the Golden Slipper and Champion First season sire with a Golden Slipper winner and perhaps afterwards overlooked because Sebring a much better performed (and not from the Danehill sireline) Golden Slipper winner turned up at the same stud.
His grandsire Pins was an excellent sire from the Lunchtime sireline from a fine classic female line. Next dam is a daughter of O'Reilly who also was a brilliant racehorse and sire. While his 4th dam is the mighty Emancipation. I can't say he will make a sire but the pedigree offers Redoute's, Luskin Star, Vain, Canny Lad, Bletchingly, Biscay, Pins, Snippets, Kaoru Star, O'Reilly, Courtza, Emancipation etc who were all Australasian bred Champions in one or more fields. And while he wasn't a winner as a two year old he must of been showing promise and three of the starts where in a G1, G2 and G3 race. That he grow into that promise and the fact there is so much speed in his pedigree suggest he should get sprinters. If they are early comers might depend on the female lines used.
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robbo
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A year or more down the track, what do people think of this bloke? I am looking at him for the upcoming season. Seemed to get a reasonable book of 116 mares, sound, durable and appeals to those that like colonial families. My mare needs some scope and leg from her suitors.
My nagging doubts are whether he lacked the brilliance to make a stallion and whether his pedigree is a little light. I am wondering where he is placed commercially - clearly he is at the right stud to attract support in the sale-ring. |
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slowdown
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Rebel - racing. Lionel - in work. Glory - spelling. Ray - spelling. A Wee Nip - in work.
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Julie Bee
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But going back to the topic, I tend to be believe that Stratum Star could do well at stud.
And until his foals are on the ground and going through the ring he will be just like every other hopeful stallion starting out in 2017. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. |
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Good luck with him Sir Gov!
It is the unfashionable ones that end up being the surprise packages. |
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Sir Gov
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He has a lot of speed. And he is still a colt so that makes him a stallion prospect (ha ha). He has also had less than 25 starts ;)
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Aurelius
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Nice!
Hope he is another winner for your stud. Even though a little ways back I like Vain and the bottom of his pedigree and Final Card closer up. Should have some early tow. |
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Sir Gov
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GOLDEN DEAL with Kris Lees. Dam won 3 from 4 as a 2YO (2 in town) & then had issues. Particularly apt topic - I bought him as dam was very good & he is by a massively underrated sire (RIP) - California Dane. 70% Winnners to Runners 5% Stakeswinners to Runners Ran a top 15% of times in the breeze ups & xrays etc. all good. No syndicators on him as he is not 'fashionably' bred. Showing a lot to date!
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Aurelius
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By whom out of whom Gov? |
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slowdown
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starting fee $55,000?
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Rebel - racing. Lionel - in work. Glory - spelling. Ray - spelling. A Wee Nip - in work.
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Sir Gov
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Have a 2YO colt trialling in a few weeks. If successful, may just retire him off the trial & ship him off to stud.
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slowdown
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Wont have to worry soon with the trend to retire them early. I just went through the entire 2015 stallions book. don't reckon there was 15 who had run more than 25 and a number who had are lesser known stallions who have been in the book a while without any real success meaning that they were little know and had very little chance of getting decent mares.
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Rebel - racing. Lionel - in work. Glory - spelling. Ray - spelling. A Wee Nip - in work.
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Cityboy
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Aurealis - thanks for providing your statistics which I didn't think you'd have. They are interesting but I think inconclusive for the reason noted by some of the others above (ie: what are the "success stats" for the stallions who had less than 25 starts?). I doubt they'd be much different to 3.5% success rate you've calculated for the stallions that have had more than 25 starts?
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Aurelius
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No matter how obtuse you want to be Michael nothing will change the facts.
Sure come up with different criteria however at the moment I am assessing a stallion that has had 37 starts and I have always said through the thread he may succeed however 'the odds are against'. Keep chasing your tale buddy. |
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MichaelM
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No it hasn't, all you did was list stallions who had had 25 starts or more at stud and what their stats were. Not even close to answering the question. Now list all the stallions who have had less than 25 starts or less and failed at stud are and we'll be here for weeks. The best points have been made by those not including you. |
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Aurelius
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Your question has been answered.
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MichaelM
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You've made plenty of points I will give you that. None whatsoever address my question about hard racing careers affecting ones genetics and their ability to pass these on. You do get butthurt quite easily though I'll give you that. |
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Second Chance
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Please re-read my post, ie raced for 3 seasons or more and/or relatively often.
Artie Schiller raced 22 times over 4 seasons. Choisir raced 23 times over 3 seasons - now that's an ask. I Am Invincible might have only raced 13 times, but did so over 4 seasons. But keep going through the list if you feel it'll serve a purpose.
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Aurelius
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Artie Schiller 22 starts. Choisor 23 start. I am Invincible 13 starts. Not like you to miss the point SC only checked 3 |
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Aurelius
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Give it a break Djebel if only you put as much effort into a subject as you do trawling. Pay attention there have been some useful points made. |
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Sir Gov
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You just wouldnt race on - if its totally about $
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