Pauline Hanson

stayer wrote: I totally agree with Pauline on this one.

In my day Stayer we had 6A     6 B etc . based on test results .

FYI ... I was always in the 6 C group. Or on detention

maccamax wrote: stayer wrote: I totally agree with Pauline on this one. In my day Stayer we had 6A     6 B etc . based on test results . FYI ... I was always in the 6 C group. Or on detention

It was lonely for me Macca in 6 b, just me and me dad.

subastral wrote: stayer wrote: I totally agree with Pauline on this one. There's a shock.

NO SHOCK ..      Stayer is a teacher & is giving front line opinion.

Should be obvious , even to us with only half a brain.

Well aware he is a teacher, am still not surprised that was his response.

Surely the obvious is a no brainer.

We have a shocking standard in our schools by comparison and class distractions by well below class average students ( especially behavioural ) is probably why.

It's apartheid!

Tlazolteotl wrote: djebel wrote: maccamax wrote: Surely the obvious is a no brainer. We have a shocking standard in our schools by comparison and class distractions by well below class average students ( especially behavioural ) is probably why. By comparison with whom ? Singapore

IF pauline was attempting to say this...

"Too many special needs kids are being placed into mainstream class settings which is unfair on the person with the disability, the other students, and the teachers".

then i would guess she makes a point with some validity. as usual, she articulates like a moron. the thing i question isnt so much her point about special ed and school placement, but whether its underpinned by pauline thinking special needs kids are nothing but a burden and an interference on 'normal people'.

i have personal experience here with twin autistic boys who were wrongfully and negligently placed in mainstream classes for the first 2yrs of their schooling despite outpe protests and concerns. when they finally were deemed as needing a special needs setting...the boys were placed into moderate intellectual delay/ autism class at another school and were the most needy of the children in their respective classes!! so you can imagine the experiece in mainstream kindy and yr 1 - for them, the teachers, the other kids.

During those 2yrs, i was called to the school almost every day to change the boys after an accident. mainstream teachers are not expected to change kids as the principal pointed out to me. the best the principal could do according to him was use minimal funding to get a teschers aid for 30 mins for a few days a week.

It was only after a new school counsellor arrived st the school, used 'emergency funding' (previous principal didnt access, budget savings??) and moved mountains to have the boys move to a proper setting to meet their needs.

here's the rub...special needs schools, units or classrooms are so sparse!! their simply isnt enough placements to meet the needs of kids with disability. Kids are having to travel way out of area, half way across the city just to get a spot. Its a ridiculous situation. simple maths...too many kids, not enough spots. so the education dept are placing some of these kids in mainstream schools. i have no doubt, thats what happened in our case. no other explanation for the situation we found ourselves in for 2 years.

* most special needs teachers are angels. they really are.

cabosanlucas wrote: IF pauline was attempting to say this... "Too many special needs kids are being placed into mainstream class settings which is unfair on the person with the disability, the other students, and the teachers". then i would guess she makes a point with some validity. as usual, she articulates like a moron. the thing i question isnt so much her point about special ed and school placement, but whether its underpinned by pauline thinking special needs kids are nothing but a burden and an interference on 'normal people'. i have personal experience here with twin autistic boys who were wrongfully and negligently placed in mainstream classes for the first 2yrs of their schooling despite outpe protests and concerns. when they finally were deemed as needing a special needs setting...the boys were placed into moderate intellectual delay/ autism class at another school and were the most needy of the children in their respective classes!! so you can imagine the experiece in mainstream kindy and yr 1 - for them, the teachers, the other kids. During those 2yrs, i was called to the school almost every day to change the boys after an accident. mainstream teachers are not expected to change kids as the principal pointed out to me. the best the principal could do according to him was use minimal funding to get a teschers aid for 30 mins for a few days a week. It was only after a new school counsellor arrived st the school, used 'emergency funding' (previous principal didnt access, budget savings??) and moved mountains to have the boys move to a proper setting to meet their needs. here's the rub...special needs schools, units or classrooms are so sparse!! their simply isnt enough placements to meet the needs of kids with disability. Kids are having to travel way out of area, half way across the city just to get a spot. Its a ridiculous situation. simple maths...too many kids, not enough spots. so the education dept are placing some of these kids in mainstream schools. i have no doubt, thats what happened in our case. no other explanation for the situation we found ourselves in for 2 years. * most special needs teachers are angels. they really are. QUOTE Very well put Mr C.   . Hanson does lack the education to express herself with at least some compassion, however she is up front and rarely wrong with her observations. I experienced in the workforce , the terrible Government blunder when they decided to house the seriously mentally ill in the community.     > That has been a disaster and now those unfortunates have no where to meet their needs. I do hope your personal situation improves over time.

A friend of ours has a autistic son but luckily he is not so badly affected and could go through the main stream schooling (catholic primary and then mainstream highschool) and is now at university.  But that doesn't mean people didn't have to bend over backwards to stay within his limits.  Autism isn't understood by anyone without access to seeing or understanding a family living with it.  Even as an outsider I was only a viewer not living with the smaller tighter needs of one member of a family unit of five. 

I should say 'spend' not ' pay'

No, Pauline is not about solutions.

Passing Through wrote: No, Pauline is not about solutions.

Which is why, even if what pauline says has some validity...the fact she has no solution and has no bigger context in her moron like rant makes you wonder what her motives are.

Passing Through wrote: No, Pauline is not about solutions.

Cheesus your a hard man PT>

Hanson pushes hard on the Parties who have the power & finances to come up with solutions.
Next you will blame her for not fixing the Islam & Indigenous problems.
    She certainly pinpoints our needs & gives us plenty to think about.

cabosanlucas wrote: One other point.. for various reasons, some parents refuse to accept their child has a disability or minimise the disability. and they demand their child is placed in a mainstream setting. im almost certain no school can deny a mainstream placement for any child if the parents insist (regardless of apparent disability). someone can correct that if its wrong...but im positive its correct. which is grossly negligent in regards to that childs needs & development and the impact it has on others.