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Looks a bit slow to be coming down here.
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Thanks, So it will not be just a matter of freshening him up, although he obviously will comeback fresh.


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ATC announnced its shortlist today. Now subject to negotiation and further assessment.

"Alphabetic order":

Brave Smash 
Clearly Innocent 
Global Glamour   Shocked 
Le Romain  
Redzel

Heys' comment regarding Spieth's spring program yesterday now makes sense. Same article reported that despite comments by officials Spieth had pulled up well after the race on Sat. 
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So Redzel is in unless Brave Smash wins by 10 this weekend...

I still don't get the logic of the Everest not being Black type therefore not as big a draw for Speith being an entire. Surely to win the first Everest would be noted in his record with an asterisk much like the MM for Houtzen.
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Spieth has no chance either way 
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Originally posted by fisherman fisherman wrote:

So Redzel is in unless Brave Smash wins by 10 this weekend...

I still don't get the logic of the Everest not being Black type therefore not as big a draw for Speith being an entire. Surely to win the first Everest would be noted in his record with an asterisk much like the MM for Houtzen.


I'd say they know they're no hope and this is a convenient excuse.
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Originally posted by fisherman fisherman wrote:

So Redzel is in unless Brave Smash wins by 10 this weekend...

I still don't get the logic of the Everest not being Black type therefore not as big a draw for Speith being an entire. Surely to win the first Everest would be noted in his record with an asterisk much like the MM for Houtzen.

That's the initial reaction to not even being shortlisted by the ATC I'd say Fish. If someone else snaps him up there may be a change of plans. Can't for the life of me see how GG would rate above him at WFA 1200m despite him not yet winning at G1 level. Brave Smash was terrific first up but again has yet to be proven at WFA/G1 so I'd have him behind Spieth as well.
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Bit of politics behind the Brave Smash shortlisting I'd suggest. No obvious OS rep must be a real disappointment for them at this point.
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Originally posted by fisherman fisherman wrote:

So Redzel is in unless Brave Smash wins by 10 this weekend...

I still don't get the logic of the Everest not being Black type therefore not as big a draw for Speith being an entire. Surely to win the first Everest would be noted in his record with an asterisk much like the MM for Houtzen.

Surely only a braindead zombie could read a stallion cv and be less impressed with an Everest win than a, well I could name a dozen weaker G1s but let's say a Goodwood or a BTC Cup.
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Says in the Terrorgraph that Chaut is the top rated sprinter in the world. Seriously? That can't be right- he's won 1 race out of his last 6 starts.
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Says in the Terrorgraph that Chaut is the top rated sprinter in the world. Seriously? That can't be right- he's won 1 race out of his last 6 starts.

According to the ratings he is but then again they still rate Arrogate ahead of Winx as well.
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Chau's rating was courtesy of TJ no 3. Hasn't raced since and no-one else has reached his mark.

New international ratings will be interesting in 10 days time. Arrogate must come off his 134. Question is whether he drops enough for Winx to perhaps join him. Doubt she keeps her 132 but with the dark arts of ratings who knows.
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Originally posted by 3blindmice 3blindmice wrote:

Chau's rating was courtesy of TJ no 3. Hasn't raced since and no-one else has reached his mark.

New international ratings will be interesting in 10 days time. Arrogate must come off his 134. Question is whether he drops enough for Winx to perhaps join him. Doubt she keeps her 132 but with the dark arts of ratings who knows.

If his 134 does not stand ( I suspect it will ) than he will drop a few rungs down the list.

Winx's rating will not have improved since her Queen Elizabeth win.

Enable must be a chance of usurping both of them at the top.


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Ratings DO NOT go down on poor performances, they only go up or stay the same until the new year. Winx has to overtake Arrogate. 
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Longines IIFHA ratings are done every few month Hoffy, based on performances in that period. If you don't run you obviously can't move but if you do you can definitely drop. Longines is however based on results in "elite races" so it's possible neither Arrogate nor Winx will shift. Don't know what grade Arrogate got beaten in in his last two but Winx hasn't stepped into elite grade so far this prep.
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Originally posted by 3blindmice 3blindmice wrote:

Longines IIFHA ratings are done every few month Hoffy, based on performances in that period. If you don't run you obviously can't move but if you do you can definitely drop. Longines is however based on results in "elite races" so it's possible neither Arrogate nor Winx will shift. Don't know what grade Arrogate got beaten in in his last two but Winx hasn't stepped into elite grade so far this prep.

That is not quite correct.

Battaash who is rated the second best sprinter for this period has only ever won to group 2 level and had yet to run in a group 1 race when these ratings where published.


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Only quoting what I remember reading djebel. Don't know what they class as "elite races" in each jurisdiction but if they're dipping into G2 and G3 in ANZ then I'd trust them about as much as I trust TF - ie with significant reservation.

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LOL  At least I hope that's a leg pull.

Wow, just googled and I'm not having a nightmare, it's true. Gobsmacked.
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Originally posted by 3blindmice 3blindmice wrote:

ATC announnced its shortlist today. Now subject to negotiation and further assessment.

"Alphabetic order":

Brave Smash 
Clearly Innocent 
Global Glamour   Shocked 
Le Romain  
Redzel

Heys' comment regarding Spieth's spring program yesterday now makes sense. Same article reported that despite comments by officials Spieth had pulled up well after the race on Sat. 
In what universe does Brave Smash get on this list? 
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Yeah I don't get the wraps on Brave Smash. On form looks like a second tier horse when in Japan. His first up run here was good, but nothing to suggest he's top tier.
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Houtzen is even more ridiculous. Beat up on some Queenslanders as a 2 year old and beaten pretty easily in the slipper. Atleast for BRave Smash the Vega Magic form looks far better even with the weight, would certainly choose it over Le Romain or Global Glamour lol 
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Redzel the clear pick of them on that list. We'll know more about Brave Smash Saturday afternoon. 
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Originally posted by Underground Underground wrote:

Houtzen is even more ridiculous. Beat up on some Queenslanders as a 2 year old and beaten pretty easily in the slipper. Atleast for BRave Smash the Vega Magic form looks far better even with the weight, would certainly choose it over Le Romain or Global Glamour lol 


She lost once on a heavy 10. Could be another Black Caviar for all I know. The 3yos are an open book because of the Sydney autumn permabog.
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lol. could be! 
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Originally posted by Underground Underground wrote:

Houtzen is even more ridiculous. Beat up on some Queenslanders as a 2 year old and beaten pretty easily in the slipper. Atleast for BRave Smash the Vega Magic form looks far better even with the weight, would certainly choose it over Le Romain or Global Glamour lol 

The way she won the Magic Millions was freakish and the form from that is holding up very well.
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have to disagree there, a *restricted* listed race with Chauffeur, Invader and Madeenaty the only real decent horses to run behind it and even they look like Group 2/3 animals or a bit better over distance (Invader).. literally no other good horses in that race. just struggling to see how this horse is 5th fav, we shall see 
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Houtzen is a serous racehorse. MM win was very good. I feel you will be changing your tone after Saturday. Brave Smash wouldn't see which way she went. Out of that list, Redzel should get the nod.
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I'd go for Redzel too (from that list).
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