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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

How is a that any sort of restriction ?

The ONLY restriction is the number of slots available.

So I correct myself.



Do you genuinely not understand the difference?
This year,all the slots are sold for the next 3 years to the sheik,quite a few large studs & a couple of large trainers.
Fans forward 3 years, I have the best Colt in the land, it's the highest rated horse in the country.
I refuse to sell the breeding interests to any of the studs,and I refuse to move the horse to one of the larger trainers with a slot.
How do I nominate my horse?
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Originally posted by horseshoe horseshoe wrote:

From Lee Freedman, 

He  expressed concern about the Everest concept and its ability to connect with your average punter

 

“It certainly smacks a bit of elitism, only people with a lot of spare money are going to buy those slots. I certainly find it intriguing.”

Didn't the Freedman's have Malaguerra taken off them because they were completely out of touch and couldn't even connect with the owners of a group one winner in their stable?

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Originally posted by rusty nails rusty nails wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

How is a that any sort of restriction ?

The ONLY restriction is the number of slots available.

So I correct myself.



Do you genuinely not understand the difference?
This year,all the slots are sold for the next 3 years to the sheik,quite a few large studs & a couple of large trainers.
Fans forward 3 years, I have the best Colt in the land, it's the highest rated horse in the country.
I refuse to sell the breeding interests to any of the studs,and I refuse to move the horse to one of the larger trainers with a slot.
How do I nominate my horse?
One of the ticket holders puts your horse in the race and you work out a deal with regards to race fees/prize money.
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you need to go into it prepared to lose plenty

Describes horse ownership in general.
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Originally posted by Lordy Lordy wrote:

Originally posted by fisherman fisherman wrote:

you need to go into it prepared to lose plenty

Describes horse ownership in general.
 
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Ertijaal (richard hills) wins the 7f 3yo championship

Ertijaal: likely to have big prizes on his agenda after Meydan win

 PICTURE: Edward Whitaker (racingpost.com/photos)

'Aeroplane' Ertijaal could be off around the world

 BY SAM WALKER12:00PM 22 FEB 2017 

JIM CROWLEY described Ertijaal as “an aeroplane” after his win in the Meydan Sprint last week.

It’s ironic as an aeroplane is the one thing that has been conspicuously absent from the sprinter’s career since he hit the big time.

For the last three seasons he’s led a successful but sheltered existence in the United Arab Emirates, but there must be a chance that last week’s hugely impressive victory will persuade connections to show him off around the world this year.

Since 2014 he’s run at just two tracks, Meydan and Abu Dhabi. Nine of his ten starts in that time came in the months of January and February. The other was in March.

But, although he’s enjoyed an easy programme, kicking his heels for ten months a year, he has taken those limited opportunities to prove himself a real force at the highest level of world sprinting.

He first raised eyebrows by winning a pair of valuable Meydan handicaps under big weights last year before stepping up to Group 1 company and finishing second to Australian star Buffering in the Al Quoz Sprint on Dubai World Cup night.

He finished last season with a peak RPR of 120 and has improved again this year, winning another valuable handicap off an even higher mark – and just as easily – on his penultimate start. Then he won his first graded race at Meydan last week.

He was 4-7 favourite for the Meydan Sprint on Thursday when the only real question was whether he could be as monstrous as he has been in handicaps at level weights.

If he had failed to impress in graded company we might have labelled him a ‘weight-carrier’. You sometimes get these in 5f races and it simply means the weight on their back does not hinder their speed as much as you might expect and therefore their handicap form can look deceptively good.

But, as it happens, he improved again in the Group 3 race, winning easily with a freakish burst of speed taking him well clear of his rivals in the final furlong to record the quickest ever time over 5f at Meydan – 55.90sec.

An RPR of 123 for this success ranks him as the best sprinter in the world at this very early stage of the year, ahead of the leading Hong Kong speedballs and Saturday’s Black Caviar Lightning winner Terravista (120).

The Dubai sprint programme has changed slightly this year, which means he will probably have to step up to 6f for his next start in either the Nad Al Sheba Sprint on Super Saturday or the Al Quoz Sprint (switched from 5f to 6f this year) on World Cup night.

With winning form over 7f, he should handle the extra distance, although speed is clearly his forte and there’s no telling whether he’ll be quite as potent over the longer sprint distance as he hasn’t run beyond the minimum trip for two years.

Beyond that connections should be looking global. Regular partner Crowley says he’s up with the best sprinters he’s ever ridden and there should be opportunities on the international circuit for a horse this fast if connections fancy it.

How he gets on over 6f next time will give us a better idea of potential targets. If he sees it out well, something like the King’s Stand Stakes over the undulating straight 5f at Royal Ascot could be worth a look. The ten-year average RPR for winners of that race stands at 121, so he’s already thereabouts.

If things go to plan next month and connections wanted to get really adventurous, they could even grab a ticket for the world’s richest turf race, the Everest, set to be run at Randwick in October.

Owner Hamdan Al Maktoum has an international racing portfolio and a global outlook, so overseas trips must be in his mind with Ertijaal, who has just turned six, suggesting this could be his time to shine.

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Originally posted by Sneck Sneck wrote:

Originally posted by rusty nails rusty nails wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

How is a that any sort of restriction ?

The ONLY restriction is the number of slots available.

So I correct myself.



Do you genuinely not understand the difference?
This year,all the slots are sold for the next 3 years to the sheik,quite a few large studs & a couple of large trainers.
Fans forward 3 years, I have the best Colt in the land, it's the highest rated horse in the country.
I refuse to sell the breeding interests to any of the studs,and I refuse to move the horse to one of the larger trainers with a slot.
How do I nominate my horse?
One of the ticket holders puts your horse in the race and you work out a deal with regards to race fees/prize money.


The racing industry is so smug and arrogant and up itself now that it has the joint venture agreement in place. Trainers charge owners whatever they like, with costs continually rising. The takeouts are continually increased to create an environment where you can lose, but you cannot win if you place too many bets, due to the rakes. Rebates are paid to bookies to make it easier to win. There are that many group races there for the taking, that you continually get small fields, so there is plenty of money there for the rich owners and trainers. You have the championship for the rich breeders, and now the Everest for the elite few selected owners. Racing is now all about catering for the top end of town, and what the boys club can take out of racing. The normal run of the mill owners and all punters are just being used to feather their nest eggs.
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How has no one posted anything about the atrocious advertisement?
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There have been plenty of posts about it.
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UP & running - going to be an excellent concept.

James Harron is the first to book his spot in the inaugural running of the world’s richest turf race The Everest.

“It's a hugely exciting concept. It's a race which will capture the attention of not just the racing world, but the public as a whole,” said Harron, who heads up his own bloodstock agency James Harron Bloodstock.

“There's a huge buzz about this project - as befits a $10 million race.

“I'm sure that this will only increase as the slot purchases are announced and the contenders begin to emerge. It is going to be fascinating to follow the trading. We will be keeping a very close eye on sprinters domestically and internationally and plan on being very open to the possibility of doing a deal on our slot.”

The group of owners who have come together with Harron to purchase the first of the twelve Everest slots are Belinda Bateman, Fergus and Delia Doyle, Donna and Rob Love, Phil and Glenda Mehrten, John and Fran Ingham, Danny and Pauline Saab and Gary Diamond.

“The cornerstone of our business is to buy colts with the aim of creating stallions, very much the type of horses who would be aimed at weight-for-age sprints as three-year-olds,” said Harron.

“The Everest gives an outstanding chance to showcase three-year-old sprinters against not only the best horses in Australia, but very likely also against some of the best international sprinters.”

Harron, who won the Golden Slipper last year with Capitalist and will have Pariah running in his familiar green and gold colours in the two-year-old feature this afternoon, has no doubt that you will need a world class sprinter to win The Everest.

“With the race over six months away it is very early to be talking about specific horses, although the race really suits the kind of horses we are aiming to produce through the colt group, so I would be hopeful that one of the current two-year-olds develops into the right kind of horse.”

“Peter V'Landys and his team at Racing NSW deserve huge credit for putting this together, as do Darren Pearce and his team at the ATC. For me there is no doubt that this race will very quickly become one of the most important events on the global racing calendar.”

There has been enormous interest in The Everest, with only four slots remaining.

"Racing NSW and the ATC are accepting bids for slot licences, but interested bidders should act quickly. It is largely first in best dressed,” said Racing NSW chief executive Peter V’landys.

The Everest will be run at Royal Randwick over 1200 metres on 14 October 2017

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Golden Slipper is today and has 8 pages of comment. This is 6 months away and up to 11 pages. He knows how to generate publicity.
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It seems to cater to large stables and speculators. I still can't get my head around the 3 year part of it- why is that necessary?Wacko
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

It seems to cater to large stables and speculators. I still can't get my head around the 3 year part of it- why is that necessary?Wacko

So that prize money/field size is guaranteed. Why would anyone want to buy a one year slot when Black Caviar is around?
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

It seems to cater to large stables and speculators. I still can't get my head around the 3 year part of it- why is that necessary?Wacko

They said the 3 year license was to give the race full opportunity to get a foothold. Don't think the 3 year thing will continue after that but not certain
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Was surprised to hear on SSR they already have 8 takers. 
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Portelli takes a slot
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Originally posted by Sir Gov Sir Gov wrote:

Portelli takes a slot

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Originally posted by 3blindmice 3blindmice wrote:

Was surprised to hear on SSR they already have 8 takers. 

Did they say who?
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Originally posted by James James wrote:

Originally posted by 3blindmice 3blindmice wrote:

Was surprised to hear on SSR they already have 8 takers. 


Did they say who?

James Harron and Damion Flower were the only 2 mentioned. But I could imagine
Godolphin
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China Horse
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ATC and Star Casino have apparently also taken slots.
Good move by the ATC - they could have a win and you're in race in the Premiere stakes and/or the Roman Consul on Epsom day for the best open and 3yo sprinters.
 
 
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SWR owners are apparently considering The Everest in spring. Not the worst idea as the sprinting ranks are not exactly bursting at the seems at the moment.
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Originally posted by James James wrote:

SWR owners are apparently considering The Everest in spring. Not the worst idea as the sprinting ranks are not exactly bursting at the seems at the moment.

Cant see them paying $1.8 Million for the 3 year ticket without seeing how she returns as a 3yo so will probably have to negotiate a start or win the wild card race whatever that may be.
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There was an article on G1X about it. Cant remember the details.
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Well I found out a few more things yesterday.

There have been queries from corporate sponsors for slots so I would assume some like Tabcorp or a corporate bookmaker (William Hill etc.), Star City. The word was that Emirates/Etihad (important to know the sheik brothers relationship there) and a bank, were looking to buy a slot.

Saying that this is restricted is a bit like saying the Melbourne Cup is restricted to only 24 runners, or that the Slipper is restricted to only 16 runners.

If you have a sprinter which is good enough to be approached by a slot owner, then you will be approached.

And as has been already pointed out, the ATC can sell more than the 12 slots.

The one thing I hope we see is Japan, Hong Kong and Singapore getting behind the race. It would be a good lead in to the Darley Classic and then the Hong Kong Sprint, and that could make up a worthwhile Pacific Sprint Triple Crown. I would think that it would be worth the JRA and Hong Kong Jockey club's interest, to buy a slot. 
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It's less than a fortnight after the Sprinters Stakes, Japan's most prestigious sprint race won recently by greats such as Silent Witness, Takeover Target and Lord Kanaloa.

I don't know if the JRA would want to help promote a race that's in direct competition to their own premier sprint. I'd imagine they'd be vying for the samw pool of horses.

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Some HK trainers have said they will never bring horses here because the quarantine rules are too strict. I think it was tony Cruz the main one that said it
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Originally posted by Magnolian Khan Magnolian Khan wrote:

Some HK trainers have said they will never bring horses here because the quarantine rules are too strict. I think it was tony Cruz the main one that said it

I think Moore said he had a horse he would like to bring for the Doncaster but quarantine prevented it being a realistic chance.
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Pre-export Q then another 2 weeks here doesn't seem particularly onerous. Expenses with training a horse here during the 2 weeks might be an impediment but I'm sure RNSW would be keen to help out there. HK's problem is the same old risk V reward equation. Except for a few at the very top they'd be lucky to find a competitive horse for the Doncaster.
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It's all a bit strange
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