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Magnolian Khan
Champion Joined: 23 Dec 2015 Location: SA Status: Offline Points: 8437 |
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Why do you have to buy in for three years? Who has 1.8m lying around
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furious
Champion Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Status: Offline Points: 25179 |
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I must be incredibly old fashioned.
This seems to be fairyland and why copy the USA. Their racing is not that healthy. As said above the Arabs, Irish maybe a few others could but most horses are syndicates in Australia and not owned by that sort of money. Why isn't it April 1 and all a hoox. If they want a signature race concentrate on what they have don't further burden the calendar with a race which may not get the best field of sprinters. Only the sprinters owned by the richest owners. The T J Smith gets the best. Up its prizemoney. Build it up and stay away from gimmicks. They come back to haunt you. |
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deejays destiny
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You can't buy history.
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Heavy10
Champion Joined: 23 May 2015 Status: Offline Points: 2711 |
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Few years too late for Black Caviar
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Nocturnal
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The only problem with backing winners ? You never have enough on....
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BlackKnight
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So the Pegasus was a massive flop (wagering in the US was about half of the Breeders Cup clash between Arrogate and CC) and Racing NSW decides to copy it? Says it all really.
Also, could there be a more inappropriate name for a 1200 metre race? Run it over 8,848 metres and I might change my tune.
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Parker Lewis
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Why not name it after an Australian highpoint.
Like "The Kosciuszko" or "The Rooty Hill". |
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Red Hare
Champion Joined: 11 Jan 2015 Location: Victoria Status: Offline Points: 4233 |
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The only interest a stud farm might have would be to buy last bid rights on potential stallions, but then the owners would likely find a better deal - without the risk of a racing injury. One positive, I suppose, would be that the Guineas field could find itself limited to legit milers - and the Coolmore wouldn't be hamstrung by horses attempting to go 4th or 5th up, -400m.
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furious
Champion Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Status: Offline Points: 25179 |
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Don't see that as a good thing (Coolmore - Ascot Vale) Red hare. We need the best fields in our best races.
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djebel
Premium Joined: 07 Mar 2007 Status: Offline Points: 53960 |
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Good to see someone with a positive attitude. |
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reductio ad absurdum
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Sneck
Champion Joined: 16 Feb 2013 Location: Payout Queue Status: Offline Points: 7555 |
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We've got the best sprinters in the world and our stayers are slugs.
Makes no sense of prize money to be so top heavy towards stamina. Good idea, if they can get some good internationals out it'll be a great success.
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JudgeHolden
Champion Joined: 16 Apr 2011 Status: Offline Points: 11729 |
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Only thing worse than the concept is the name. Hope they don't give garbage like this Group status.
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antlowes
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How deep does the race pay? Money back +++ for the first 6? 8?
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Hazyview
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Jeez some whinging here.
Great idea, the timing works well - though there should be some consideration given to how a 3YO which has won a G1 as a 2YO could prep - they get belted in SWP races. Looking forward to seeing how it unfolds and very interesting will be who buys the spots.
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furious
Champion Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Status: Offline Points: 25179 |
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Put it in the races already ther Sneck and Djebel. The T J Smith etc. Up the game for them. WFA over 1200m and Black Caviar on the list twice and brilliant wins both times.
But maybe they have already decided that the Championships are in the wrong time zone and want something earlier in the season. The spring is a tad light for sprints. You could up the stakes for The Shorts - moving it to one of the prime days for Sydney. It was run over the equivalent of 1200m since 1867 till 1972 so has a history of sorts and at that distance. You could fiddle with making it WFA and do a prizemoney hike and a invitational thing if you wanted. Anything barr introducing yet another race with an idea which has already not shown great success. Lots of good things could be done.
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Fairest One
Champion Joined: 24 Nov 2009 Location: Randwick Status: Offline Points: 2893 |
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It is not far fetched to suggest that the TJ Smith will still have a better field each year than this gimmick. Would the owners of our top sprinters at the moment be willing to commit to a three year investment of $1.8 million? I'd doubt the owners of Chataqaua, Fell Swoop and the like would. This race could be known as the "Unofficial Rich Owner Championships". I don't see the concept being viable for anyone but rich studs.
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Cmon Apparitions!!!
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subastral
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Whale.
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Sneck
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subastral
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I think there needs to be a wild card option available each year, paid for by the club, to get all racing fans interested. Without a good story, its just a rich gimmick, doomed to fail.
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Magnolian Khan
Champion Joined: 23 Dec 2015 Location: SA Status: Offline Points: 8437 |
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Winner of the Highway Race gets in or something similar? |
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furious
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That would certainly be a cat among the pigeons. Or what about a free entry if you won the Slipper or the T J Smith. That would stop the lesser horses being entered and whats the point if the best horses aren't there.
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linghi11
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from the prospectus:
Mounting yard access for the Everest will be
the exclusive domain of the elite players of
Australian and international racing. |
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to the victor
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furious
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Ouch they really need to get their heads out of the sand. That sounds badly worded even to me who has a habit of letting things go straight over me without registering the error.
What is better than seeing the syndicates win with their masses of owners who bring so much enthusiasm to owning a racehorse. IE Prince of Penzance after the Cup. Mix with the masses and see just what racing needs - apart from wonderful racemares like Winx and Black Caviar.
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the miz
Champion Joined: 29 Dec 2014 Location: NSW Status: Offline Points: 1128 |
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Messiah bought iadd who has he bought this time.
This race is yet another dumb idea from RNSW. |
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the miz
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skippy123
Champion Joined: 07 Dec 2015 Location: Melbourne Status: Offline Points: 1526 |
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Brilliant idea- only way to make it work |
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Duckssster
Champion Joined: 16 Nov 2010 Status: Offline Points: 1747 |
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James
Champion Joined: 15 Jan 2011 Location: Melbourne Status: Offline Points: 7230 |
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Didn't POP only have two owners?
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deejays destiny
Champion Joined: 11 Sep 2015 Status: Offline Points: 4148 |
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100's of owners in POP. Lot's of first timers.
I'll have to speak to my fellow owners, maybe we can aim Boogie Woogie Man at this ? |
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Phazeal
Champion Joined: 05 Mar 2007 Status: Offline Points: 847 |
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This is the most ridiculous idea I have ever heard.
Almost no one in racing can afford to front with $600k+ no matter how good their sprinter is. It's another w@nk that would cost our racing industry millions per year for no purpose if it ever got off the ground. God there are some idiots running this industry in NSW. It would have given Black Caviar an extra $20million in prizemoney against one or two starters stupid enough to come to Australia and blow $600k. It would also probably have extended her racing career by three years so she could take an extra $15million from those fools at RacingNSW but guaranteed she'd only have had one start per year. Maybe a barrier trial in the Manikato. It's not just Black Caviar. In the majority of seasons we have a DOMINANT sprinter who doesn't really get beaten. And almost nobody is going to come from overseas when the trip alone costs them $700k. And half the horses the seasonal champion beats have only won maybe $200k and owners don't have the extra sitting around in a jar (except a couple for whom money carries less relevance than it does to the noobs at RacingNSW). Even Godolphin wouldn't be stupid enough to buy a slot in this with a 3-year buy-in. Sure, says JOS, we got the favourite for this year's race. Oops, he got beat. Oh and we have to find someone to buy our slot for next year and the year after 'cause I got nothing coming through the stable to warrant that investment". I doubt this will ever get off the ground. It's that stupid. |
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Second Chance
Champion Joined: 02 Dec 2007 Status: Online Points: 45805 |
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Good one DJ
ps on a more serious can't help but notice that a horse by the name of Neolithic ran 3rd in the Pegasus, before which he'd just had one Group placing and "amassed" a total of $109k in prize-money. In all truth a galloper not a whole lot better than Boogie Woogie Man, which says very little for the concept.
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