Go to Villagebet.com.au for free horse racing tips - Click here now
Forum Home Forum Home > Horse Racing - Public Forums > Racing Forum
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - The Everest
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login


Thoroughbred Village Home Page. For village news, follow @TBVillage on Twitter. For horseracing tips, follow @Villagebet on Twitter. To contact the Mayor by email: Click Here.


The Everest

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  123 29>
Author
Message Reverse Sort Order
Nobody View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 23 Oct 2011
Status: Offline
Points: 1189
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Nobody Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: The Everest
    Posted: 18 Mar 2021 at 9:13pm
What value does the Everest gain by being promoted to a G1?  I don't see the point. I agree its become the best race in the world at 1200m but adding a G1 to the name does not bring anything additional. 


Back to Top
Gay3 View Drop Down
Moderator Group
Moderator Group


Joined: 19 Feb 2007
Location: Miners Rest
Status: Offline
Points: 51818
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gay3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 2021 at 5:32pm
Please use the Advanced search Take2.

Replace 'Message Body with Topic in the dropdown.


Edited by Gay3 - 18 Mar 2021 at 5:35pm
Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
Back to Top
TJMitchell View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 29 Jun 2014
Location: Melbourne
Status: Offline
Points: 16890
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TJMitchell Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 2021 at 5:04pm
I think it's inevitable it will be a Gr1 one day. Quality wise it's the best sprint race we have each year. 

I'm not a big fan of an "invitational" race being a Gr1 and it's worth WAY too much money but on quality alone it's a Gr1.

The entire racing calendar and number of Gr1's needs a re working but that's a whole other story. 
Time is a flat circle
Back to Top
Shrunk in the Wash View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 25 Mar 2016
Status: Offline
Points: 9890
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Shrunk in the Wash Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 2021 at 5:03pm
I’ve got no doubt it should be a G1 but politics will get in the way
Back to Top
Take2 View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 04 Mar 2007
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 5184
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Take2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 2021 at 4:38pm
notice some racing wheelers and dealers, or movers and shakers , whatever , talking about deals to help the Everest being granted G1 status
wondering what people think of the Everest becoming a group 1 race.
IMO, it is the complete antithesis of what is  Australian Racing, and rather, concentrates on the BIG end of town, ie, the heavy hitters buying "slots", @ $1.8m over 3 Years , that can be traded, as a commodity, so its not really open to all comers, rather an "Invitational", which actually leads into a pet hate of mine, the money being thrown at Sprints, rather than true traditional and or Classic distances and events 


Edited by Take2 - 18 Mar 2021 at 4:41pm
change is simply a destination on a journey reached by taking the first step (i said that) lol

www.3rdmillenniumbloodstock.com.au
Back to Top
Sneck View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 16 Feb 2013
Location: Payout Queue
Status: Offline
Points: 7555
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sneck Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Oct 2018 at 2:00am
Alot of bad takes in this thread I'm sure none of it has anything to do with sunk cost.

It's been a good idea just accept reality.
Back to Top
pnclick View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 13 Mar 2009
Status: Offline
Points: 1013
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote pnclick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Oct 2018 at 7:29pm
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by pnclick pnclick wrote:

Originally posted by Afros Afros wrote:

If I were a rich man, I'd be a slot and then run a low class country horse in my slot each season, if nothing else it would show the reasons why this cannot be a G2 race.

The ATC ultimately have final say on the horses that run. If, in their discretion, a runner is NOT worthy of running in the race, they will remove it from the field. Naturally stops the potential farce of a Horsey McHorseface running in the race etc.... 

You sure about this ?

If you have bought a slot and you want your own horse to run in it why should that horse even if rated "1" not get your slot ?

Pretty sure.

"The slot licensee is entitled to nominate and accept for one horse for the race by the race acceptances date. The Slot Licensors have the ABSOLUTE discretion to reject the nomination and acceptance of a horse that is not of Metropolitan standing"

Back to Top
djebel View Drop Down
Premium
Premium
Avatar

Joined: 07 Mar 2007
Status: Offline
Points: 53960
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote djebel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Oct 2018 at 6:46pm
Originally posted by pnclick pnclick wrote:

Originally posted by Afros Afros wrote:

If I were a rich man, I'd be a slot and then run a low class country horse in my slot each season, if nothing else it would show the reasons why this cannot be a G2 race.

The ATC ultimately have final say on the horses that run. If, in their discretion, a runner is NOT worthy of running in the race, they will remove it from the field. Naturally stops the potential farce of a Horsey McHorseface running in the race etc.... 

You sure about this ?

If you have bought a slot and you want your own horse to run in it why should that horse even if rated "1" not get your slot ?
reductio ad absurdum
Back to Top
djebel View Drop Down
Premium
Premium
Avatar

Joined: 07 Mar 2007
Status: Offline
Points: 53960
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote djebel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Oct 2018 at 6:44pm
They obviously all have money.

We keep hearing about suckers having heaps on prepost beting, Somebody was advertised today as having $20,000 on Trapeze Artist at I think $8. That to me is just stupidity. 
reductio ad absurdum
Back to Top
Red Hare View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 12 Jan 2015
Location: Victoria
Status: Offline
Points: 4233
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Red Hare Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Oct 2018 at 6:35pm
Group status is determined by the average rating of the first four across the line, over a three (?) year period.

This one will get group status, then struggle to find another 12 suckers to buy a slot. LOL
Back to Top
Red Hare View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 12 Jan 2015
Location: Victoria
Status: Offline
Points: 4233
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Red Hare Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Oct 2018 at 6:26pm
What sort of deals are being done?

There's only three slot holders in the black. The rest would be mad not to ask for cash up front.

There will be some desperados next year for sure - upwards of $1m in the drink, if they can't sell off the initial investment.
Back to Top
pnclick View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 13 Mar 2009
Status: Offline
Points: 1013
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote pnclick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Oct 2018 at 6:11pm
Originally posted by Afros Afros wrote:

If I were a rich man, I'd be a slot and then run a low class country horse in my slot each season, if nothing else it would show the reasons why this cannot be a G2 race.

The ATC ultimately have final say on the horses that run. If, in their discretion, a runner is NOT worthy of running in the race, they will remove it from the field. Naturally stops the potential farce of a Horsey McHorseface running in the race etc.... 
Back to Top
Afros View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 14 Jan 2009
Status: Offline
Points: 15302
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Afros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Oct 2018 at 3:15pm
If I were a rich man, I'd be a slot and then run a low class country horse in my slot each season, if nothing else it would show the reasons why this cannot be a G2 race.
Back to Top
adolphus twirk View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 20 Feb 2007
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 1418
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote adolphus twirk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Oct 2018 at 1:19pm
Absolute disgrace. I understand that slot holders can run whatever they want to put in. It is not a merit based race but purely a sweepstakes for the rich and privileged who can buy what they want. Good luck to them. After ignoring Viddora for Graff and Home if the Brave shows there is no integrity in the selection of the horses only who can afford what. A disgrace. I will boycott the Everest. I will not bet on it and I will refuse to watch it. I will play in my sandpit and let those richer than me play in theirs. Disgusting and the media are playing into their hands.
Back to Top
early4lunch View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 09 Jun 2007
Status: Offline
Points: 3854
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote early4lunch Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Oct 2018 at 1:18pm
Sunny,I just posted the same sentiments on another thread.Seemsto be two running
Back to Top
JudgeHolden View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 16 Apr 2011
Status: Offline
Points: 11716
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JudgeHolden Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Oct 2018 at 11:43am
Even Godolphin’s best sprinters are imports these days. What’s the point of the Australian breeding industry? Oh yeah, fast kiddies.
Back to Top
Speediskey View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 19 Feb 2014
Status: Offline
Points: 4116
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Speediskey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Oct 2018 at 11:35am
Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

I said last year this race CANNOT EVER be a Group 1 because the conditions don’t allow the best horses around to compete against each other without barrier.

Instead the field is controlled by a group of rich and mostly agenda/self-interest driven individuals or groups, who will be biased by their agendas and compromise the quality of the field.

Very simply: if Viddora does not get a slot, the race is a gimmick and not worthy of Group status, let alone Group 1.

The race is struggling to build a field of last start winners, and a last start WFA G1 winner of 2 G1 wins cannot get a slot. You see she isn’t owned by the right people. She’s owned by battlers and there’s no political reason to put her in.

Meanwhile rich associates of slot holders, internationals, and a 1400-1600m horse of Godolphin’s get a run. I’d be happy to be proven wrong as I’m a racing purist who wants to see the best horses racing each other. But no way how they sell this with relentless promotion on all the platforms under their influence, it hasn’t yet convinced me it’s any more than other restricted promotional races like the Magic Millions. There’s nothing wrong with those races, and Harvey too lobbied for the quality of the fields to influence Group 1 status. But he lost that argument for good reason.

If the best aren’t able to access the race to race the best, it cannot be a Group 1.

Why is that the pre-condition to a Group 1?

Is it not just based on the average ratings of a race? In which case of course it's a Group 1.

The Pegasus is a Group 1. 

The Arc is a Group 1 despite not allowing geldings. 

Last years winner was a gelding, 3 of the top 4 in the market for this one are geldings. Would it be more of a Group 1 race if those 3 weren't in it but Viddora was?
Back to Top
Tlazolteotl View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 02 Oct 2012
Location: Elephant Butte
Status: Offline
Points: 31290
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tlazolteotl Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Oct 2018 at 11:29am
Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

I said last year this race CANNOT EVER be a Group 1 because the conditions don’t allow the best horses around to compete against each other without barrier.

Instead the field is controlled by a group of rich and mostly agenda/self-interest driven individuals or groups, who will be biased by their agendas and compromise the quality of the field.

Very simply: if Viddora does not get a slot, the race is a gimmick and not worthy of Group status, let alone Group 1.

The race is struggling to build a field of last start winners, and a last start WFA G1 winner of 2 G1 wins cannot get a slot. You see she isn’t owned by the right people. She’s owned by battlers and there’s no political reason to put her in.

Meanwhile rich associates of slot holders, internationals, and a 1400-1600m horse of Godolphin’s get a run. I’d be happy to be proven wrong as I’m a racing purist who wants to see the best horses racing each other. But no way how they sell this with relentless promotion on all the platforms under their influence, it hasn’t yet convinced me it’s any more than other restricted promotional races like the Magic Millions. There’s nothing wrong with those races, and Harvey too lobbied for the quality of the fields to influence Group 1 status. But he lost that argument for good reason.

If the best aren’t able to access the race to race the best, it cannot be a Group 1.


I could say the same thing about all the melbourne 1400m wfa G1s.
An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought.

Simon Cameron

Back to Top
Sunline View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 01 Jul 2008
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 22302
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sunline Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Oct 2018 at 10:56am
I said last year this race CANNOT EVER be a Group 1 because the conditions don’t allow the best horses around to compete against each other without barrier.

Instead the field is controlled by a group of rich and mostly agenda/self-interest driven individuals or groups, who will be biased by their agendas and compromise the quality of the field.

Very simply: if Viddora does not get a slot, the race is a gimmick and not worthy of Group status, let alone Group 1.

The race is struggling to build a field of last start winners, and a last start WFA G1 winner of 2 G1 wins cannot get a slot. You see she isn’t owned by the right people. She’s owned by battlers and there’s no political reason to put her in.

Meanwhile rich associates of slot holders, internationals, and a 1400-1600m horse of Godolphin’s get a run. I’d be happy to be proven wrong as I’m a racing purist who wants to see the best horses racing each other. But no way how they sell this with relentless promotion on all the platforms under their influence, it hasn’t yet convinced me it’s any more than other restricted promotional races like the Magic Millions. There’s nothing wrong with those races, and Harvey too lobbied for the quality of the fields to influence Group 1 status. But he lost that argument for good reason.

If the best aren’t able to access the race to race the best, it cannot be a Group 1.
Sunline...simply supreme
Back to Top
Shawy38 View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 13 Jun 2015
Status: Offline
Points: 17253
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Shawy38 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Nov 2017 at 2:52pm
Yeah. Announced on Melb Cup Day of all days

Sick to death of this Melb vs Syd dick measuring contest
Back to Top
max manewer View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 31 Jan 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 32947
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote max manewer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Nov 2017 at 2:50pm
Did I read this increases to $13 million next year ? Paying 10% base commission on Betfair to fund this sh!T !
Back to Top
Morgan Dollar View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 29 Sep 2010
Location: SA
Status: Offline
Points: 2626
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Morgan Dollar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 10:39am
i tried to post a pic... clearly didnt work haha
Go The Dollar..!
Back to Top
Morgan Dollar View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 29 Sep 2010
Location: SA
Status: Offline
Points: 2626
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Morgan Dollar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 10:38am
No automatic alt text available.
Go The Dollar..!
Back to Top
Speediskey View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 19 Feb 2014
Status: Offline
Points: 4116
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Speediskey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 10:24am
Yeah it definitely isn't coming from slot sales. No way they're running a field that size. Will come from the money it's generating most likely.
Back to Top
jacko1 View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 26 Jun 2007
Status: Offline
Points: 1801
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jacko1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 10:23am
They would have got more publicity if they announced it next week, even though they are trying to take some gloss off the Cup it hasn't really worked.
Back to Top
correctweight View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 20 May 2010
Location: Melbourne
Status: Offline
Points: 2560
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote correctweight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 10:22am
Selling extra slots.
Back to Top
Tlazolteotl View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 02 Oct 2012
Location: Elephant Butte
Status: Offline
Points: 31290
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tlazolteotl Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 10:21am
22 pages here for Melbourne Cup- 28 for the Everest.Big smile
Back to Top
Lordy View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 22 May 2010
Location: Sunshine State
Status: Offline
Points: 13887
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lordy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 10:12am
Where does the extra $$ come from?  Thought they'd already sold the slots for the next couple of years.
Back to Top
cabosanlucas View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 15 Jun 2013
Status: Offline
Points: 7363
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cabosanlucas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 10:03am
Originally posted by Speediskey Speediskey wrote:

Prizemoney boost to 13 million next year, then 1 million the next two years. So 2020 will be worth 15 million.

Wonder why they announced today?



its announced now, so the infantile vlandys can have a di*k measuring contest with his melbourne counterparts and try and get some shine off the vic spring carnival.

it wont work, but his big ego couldnt resist. it would have benn a better announcement at a later date when it would have got better traction.
Back to Top
Speediskey View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 19 Feb 2014
Status: Offline
Points: 4116
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Speediskey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 9:58am
Prizemoney boost to 13 million next year, then 1 million the next two years. So 2020 will be worth 15 million.

Wonder why they announced today?

Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  123 29>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 12.05
Copyright ©2001-2022 Web Wiz Ltd.

This page was generated in 0.172 seconds.