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Sunline
Champion Joined: 01 Jul 2008 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 22302 |
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Tell me again how good the ride was first up!
Should. Have. Won. Last. Start. |
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Sunline...simply supreme
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crooked_gambler
Champion Joined: 27 Jan 2015 Status: Offline Points: 4676 |
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Yes x 100000000000 |
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Black Prince 2
Champion Joined: 17 Aug 2009 Status: Offline Points: 339 |
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Absolutely agree , gelati ful ride last start , but they nailed it today , got $2.70 you beauty . 6 Australian starts , 5 wins , Weiry likes him and this horse is a cracker . |
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Second Chance
Champion Joined: 02 Dec 2007 Status: Offline Points: 45716 |
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The horse was a real problem before the start at W'bool, and no surprise Allen couldn't ride him as well as he otherwise might've.
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crooked_gambler
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Caulfield Cup horse?
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Gay3
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Weir feels 2000m his best distance at this stage.
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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3blindmice
Champion Joined: 22 Oct 2012 Status: Offline Points: 18105 |
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Building a nice record but won a weak handicap with no weight at Sandown where margins are often exaggerated. Funny I think I made a similar comment about him somewhere else.
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Black Prince 2
Champion Joined: 17 Aug 2009 Status: Offline Points: 339 |
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And as a punter that's perfectly placed got a perfect collect . Hope they keep doing it . $2.70 Wednesday money for jam . out of interest , would you explain your theory of "Sandown winning margins are exaggerated " I think Sandown is currently one of the fairest racing tracks in the country . |
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Shawy38
Champion Joined: 13 Jun 2015 Status: Offline Points: 17382 |
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Will have another run in Melbourne, then off to the Ipswich Cup
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Black Prince 2
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How do you know that mate ? |
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Shawy38
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mentioned on Racing.com
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Shawy38
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Weir said Plein Ciel has plenty of improvement still to come and could potentially head to Queensland later this preparation for a race like the Ipswich Cup.
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Carioca
Champion Joined: 13 Nov 2015 Status: Offline Points: 21821 |
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Looks like the plan then, good thinking, he will benefit and mature with travelling imo. |
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3blindmice
Champion Joined: 22 Oct 2012 Status: Offline Points: 18105 |
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Don't have stats so I may be wide of the mark BP2 but from my observations Sandown for some reason sees much larger winning margins far more often than Flemington, MV and Caulfield. For example an easy win at those venues (with exceptions obviously) would be 2 lengths whereas it can be 3-5l at Sandown. Anyone relying on Sandown form (horses flashing home, big winners etc) to translate elsewhere in the city will for the most part be disappointed imo
In PC's case I was simply putting his impressive win in perspective with regard to his chances in Group races as was suggested elsewhere. Sectionals were outstanding - but on paper so were others on the day (although none was as good as his at first blush). He's a winner, trained by a master, should continue to be well placed and as such ought to be a punters' pal - for those who don't mind short prices. Caveat is that he might be overbet as he steps up against better horses.
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Black Prince 2
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Yes I saw that but no mention of another Melbourne run . |
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Black Prince 2
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Fair enough 3bm , can't say I agree with you about Sandown but each to their own .
The horse has won 5 from 6 in Australia with good times , good margins and stepping up in class every time and a couple of shrtful rides as well . From following racing it's not always the best horse that wins on the day it's the horse with ability AND had everything goes right in the race. There's no mention from any group races for Darren Weir so it'll be interesting to see , however he did say in the interview he is a very good horse I've watched and do watch a lot of racing and ver rarely you see a horse win impressively like that multiple times . Only time will tell how far he gets |
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3blindmice
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His ability to accelerate will help and it's rare for Weir to talk up horses and get it wrong from my observation
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Black Prince 2
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100% with you on that Side note , Plein Ciel conqueror Moss'n Dale races in Echuca cup today $2.50 favourite stable supremely confident , soft track ??? Does it need to be heavy ?? Watching with interest |
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Black Prince 2
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Results Moss 'n Dale 2nd in Echuca Cup Every possible chance.First 3 big margin back to rest
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Shawy38
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Does that Gelagotis know how to shut his trap, just waffled and waffled and waffled trying to pump up his own tyres, wanted to throw the remote at my TV just so he would shut up
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Black Prince 2
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I actually really like him . They where the first and only so far to beat Plen Ciel ( even though in my opinion it was because PC wasn't fit , didn't like the heavy , was given a shurtful ride and wasn't PC's pet distance ) So can understand their thinking . But like I've said , race day, anything can happen . That Echuca field was weaker than the race PC ran in , but it was also 1400 m wet track . All this factors make a difference in who wins and who fills the placings
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Sheet Anchor
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Horse that won beat Admiral and Hellova Street in the Tasmanian Newmarket.
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Black Prince 2
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Yes he was 8 starts back and I'm spewing as I looked at backing him but he just hasn't quite been performing up to run , but I am an idiot because bringing him across the Tasman should have been enough of a lead . I though Moss n Dale was the horse to beat but possibly needed it wetter There was a statement that PC's race was a " weak race" however just looking at the second placed horse Petrology (super run) he is a listed winner , listed placed , Group 3 placed and he's the Group 2 Sandown Guineas winner . Pretty good form I thought |
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Magnolian Khan
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Looked a moral in the Swan Hill Cup but has been scratched on vets. Hope all is well,
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Hurdyman
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Was lame this morning. |
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Black Prince 2
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Wow flipping heck hope it's not serious ? |
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JoanFerguson
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What happened to Ipswich Cup plan?
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Lord Hybrow
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He's nommed for the 1609m open Hcp at MV on Saturday.
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Black Prince 2
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Ok , interesting |
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Good interview with Australian bloodstock today regarding their horses.Mentions Plein Ciel being at the fork in the road. Just going through his grades and they are thinking he's a 2000m horse but if he gets 2400 m they wouldn't rule out a Caulfield cup if they can get his rating up . Interesting
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