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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Sorry, I have no idea what you are on about nor where you want this deflection to go.

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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Sorry, I have no idea what you are on about nor where you want this deflection to go.

That's not a deflection PT. You are the one deflecting from his point of view.
It's a very simple question you've been asked.
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Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Sorry, I have no idea what you are on about nor where you want this deflection to go.

That's not a deflection PT. You are the one deflecting from his point of view.
It's a very simple question you've been asked.

but he answered , Shrunk is like a stuck record  Confused

I still ask, who would want 500,000 indonesians, Malaysians crossing our borders and plonking themselves into Brisbane or Sydney uninvited

Who is saying that
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Sorry, I have no idea what you are on about nor where you want this deflection to go.



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Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Sorry, I have no idea what you are on about nor where you want this deflection to go.


That's not a deflection PT. You are the one deflecting from his point of view.
It's a very simple question you've been asked.


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I am deflecting from your deflection. LOL
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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Sorry, I have no idea what you are on about nor where you want this deflection to go.


That's not a deflection PT. You are the one deflecting from his point of view.
It's a very simple question you've been asked.


but he answered , Shrunk is like a stuck record  Confused

<table width="99%" style="color: rgb0, 0, 0; font-size: 12px; : rgb251, 251, 253;"><t><tr><td ="BBquote" style="width: 1078.58px;">I still ask, who would want 500,000 indonesians, Malaysians crossing our borders and plonking themselves into Brisbane or Sydney uninvited
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<div style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">Who is saying that



No, the way to answer rather than avoid as PT has, is to say

1. Yes,I would be happy with 500000 invaders
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2. No I would not be happy with 500000 invaders
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Originally posted by Shrunk in the Wash Shrunk in the Wash wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Is that the right question?

The right question is what is the most cost effective and security effective means of controlling borders. 

Very few people thing a Great Wall Of Trump is that, including Republicans, which is why he could never get it built under Republican control of Congress.


I think it certainly is the right question.
How they shut out up to a million invaders eachg year is not what worries you. We know it's the morals of keeping people out
Not the aesthetics of a wall

Nobody is questioning the need for border security. Nobody is questioning the fact that people enter the country ''illegally'' to work, seek asylum etc.

The question is the best way to control your borders if that is the current policy.  
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"Nobody is questioning the need for border security. Nobody is questioning the fact that people enter the country ''illegally'' to work, seek asylum etc.

The question is the best way to control your borders if that is the current policy.  "


The Democrats lied by saying 'border expert said the wall as described by Trump would be ineffective'.
Chuck said it was  "an ineffective wall" in the Greenacres replay.

So Trump interviewed border experts who said "we need a wall".
You'd find that if you'd bother to look for the facts.

For every one opinion piece you give from MSM there are a dozen border security agents to who will say that opinion piece is wrong. Because opinions from media and their so called experts aren't anywhere as valid on any subject as an actual expert in the field.

The vast majority of border agents, their union, and the military who are serving on the border back Trump's claims. So too do the majority if not all the sheriffs of the counties along the border.

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How much has been requested for the stupid wall Scamanda?
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

How much has been requested for the stupid wall Scamanda?

For this round of talks it's 5.7B but somewhere over 25B overall.
There, straight up honest answer. No deflections.

Now your turn.
How much did the US give Israel for a wall?

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http://archpaper.com/2019/01/border-wall-prototypes-breached/

All eight border wall prototypes fail basic penetrability test

By JONATHAN HILBURG (@JHILBURG January 11, 2019
The eight assembled prototypes on the California-Mexico border (Courtesy U.S. Customs and Border Protection)

As the Trump administration prepares to potentially declare a national emergency to jumpstart construction of a wall along the U.S.’s southern border—as well as possibly using storm aid funds to do so—the viability of the wall itself has come under fire. In a photo obtained by NBC News, one of the steel bollard border wall prototypes in Otay Mesa, California, was easily breached using an off-the-shelf saw.

The eight border wall prototypes in Otay Mesa (directly across from Tijuana in Mexico) were assembled in early 2017 after an executive order directed the Department of Homeland Security to design and build a southern border wall. Four concrete wall segment mockups, and four from mixed materials, were assembled in the desert. The 30-foot-tall prototypes were graded on their aesthetic qualities in August 2018, but testing in late 2017 has revealed that all eight may be easy to penetrate.

On “Pogo Row”, a testing area near the California-Mexico border, Customs and Border Protection (CBP) agents were instructed to try to breach the eight border wall segments—and eventually broke through all eight. Using saws and other hand tools, teams were able to cause holes “larger than 12-inches in diameter or square,” the DHS standard definition of breaching.

According to a redacted version of the CBP report obtained through a freedom of information request from the San Diego-based KPBS, replicas of each prototype’s first ten feet were tested for breaching. One (redacted) technique proved so destructive during the first test that further experimenting was postponed, as officials feared it would destabilize the structural integrity of the other models before they could be thoroughly assessed.

No testing on how well the walls were able to resist tunneling appears to have been conducted, despite that being a major design criterion in the Request for Proposal. Additionally, none of the eight designs met the requirements for adaptability across the thousands of miles of the border’s rugged, varied terrain.

For its part, the DHS has argued that no wall is impenetrable and that by slowing migrants trying to breach it, Border Patrol agents are given time to respond. DHS spokeswoman Katie Waldman told NBC that the prototypes were only meant to inform the final design moving forward.

When asked about the photo obtained by NBC yesterday, President Trump responded that, “that’s a wall designed by previous administrations.” While previous administrations have used steel bollards at the border, the prototypes tested were built by the Trump administration.

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Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

How much has been requested for the stupid wall Scamanda?

For this round of talks it's 5.7B but somewhere over 25B overall.
There, straight up honest answer. No deflections.

Now your turn.
How much did the US give Israel for a wall?

Incorrect Try again.
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

How much has been requested for the stupid wall Scamanda?

For this round of talks it's 5.7B but somewhere over 25B overall.
There, straight up honest answer. No deflections.

Now your turn.
How much did the US give Israel for a wall?

Incorrect Try again.

5.7B is the latest offer. How can you deny that?
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Originally posted by Shrunk in the Wash Shrunk in the Wash wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Is that the right question?

The right question is what is the most cost effective and security effective means of controlling borders. 

Very few people thing a Great Wall Of Trump is that, including Republicans, which is why he could never get it built under Republican control of Congress.


I think it certainly is the right question.
How they shut out up to a million invaders eachg year is not what worries you. We know it's the morals of keeping people out
Not the aesthetics of a wall <span ="st"="">
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Nobody is questioning the need for border security. Nobody is questioning the fact that people enter the country ''illegally'' to work, seek asylum etc.

The question is the best way to control your borders if that is the current policy.  



We’ll have to agree to disagree then. I believe there are plenty of people questioning the need for border security.
The wall is just their bit of mud they want to throw to divert from the debate
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Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

How much has been requested for the stupid wall Scamanda?

For this round of talks it's 5.7B but somewhere over 25B overall.
There, straight up honest answer. No deflections.

Now your turn.
How much did the US give Israel for a wall?

Incorrect Try again.

5.7B is the latest offer. How can you deny that?

From the independent political reporting newspaper Roll Call:

President Donald Trump’s $5 billion demand for a U.S.-Mexico border wall has held up the entire spending wrap-up for fiscal 2019. Yet Trump still hasn’t put the details of that request on paper in any official capacity, a departure from precedent that is in keeping with this president’s unconventional style.

The fact Congress hasn’t gotten a formal letter to change the border ask seems technical. But it has set a stage for debate where no one’s arguing on the same terms. And this has arguably let lawmakers and the White House escape a broader debate on the substance by simultaneously referring to an outdated budget request or a dollar figure that doesn’t exist formally on paper.

“This literally begs a public explanation,” said Jim Dyer, a former GOP clerk and chief of staff for the House Appropriations Committee.

http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/informal-nature-of-border-wall-request-roils-spending-debate


From DHS own appropriation document submitted in December:

Other resources that contribute to the budget for these components include mandatory spending, fee revenues, and trust funds. CRS uses the Administration's formally documented budget request as scored by CBO as the basis of these comparisons. President Trump has made public comments referring to a $5 billion request in FY2019 for border barrier construction that he has reportedly made to lawmakers in direct discussions. This would normally be funded through Title II of the DHS appropriations bill, in the Procurement, Construction, and Improvements appropriation for CBP. However, the Administration's formal documented budget request for that particular appropriation for FY2019 includes $1.6 billion for "border wall construction."

http://www.everycrsreport.com/reports/R45268.html


Mitch McConnell and the Senate passed this appropriation bill in December.

Paul Ryan refused to put it to a floor vote because Rush Limbaugh told Trump to refuse it.

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Google "5.7b dollars for the wall"
the first website:

The federal government will spend a whopping $4.407 trillion in 2019. Yet Congress and the president are shutting down the government in a dispute between the $1.3 billion the Democrats have approved for border security and the $5.7 billion the president is demanding – precisely 0.0998 percent of the total federal budget. That is considered a rounding error in Washington.

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Your post just said 5B PT. Close but not quite right.

So what is the deflection you are seeking to achieve?
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How much did the US give Israel for a wall?


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Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

Google "5.7b dollars for the wall"
the first website:
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<span style="color: rgb17, 17, 17; font-family: "noticia text", Georgia, "times new roman", Times, serif; font-size: 17px;">The federal government will spend a whopping $4.407 trillion in 2019. Yet Congress and the president are shutting down the government in a dispute between the $1.3 billion the Democrats have approved for border security and the $5.7 billion the president is demanding – precisely 0.0998 percent of the total federal budget. That is considered a rounding error in Washington.</span>
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Clearly,
The democrats are refusing to hand over the money on philosophical grounds around the reasons for the wall.
It is not about the cost
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Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

How much did the US give Israel for a wall?


Still waiting.

Is that like Shrunky's 500,000 Indonesians deflection?


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It's the Democrats playing politics SITW.

Trump was elected. He promised a wall.
That is a mandate.

If Trump builds his wall the Democrats will not win in 2020.
Pure politics.
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Your post just said 5B PT. Close but not quite right.

So what is the deflection you are seeking to achieve?

Incorrect. It says that is what Trump is now demanding outside the formal appropriations process simply to screw it around and justify his shutdown.. 

His crisis, his lies, his deflections, his problem.

Nancy says NO, NO, NO.
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Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

It's the Democrats playing politics SITW.

Trump was elected. He promised a wall.
That is a mandate.

If Trump builds his wall the Democrats will not win in 2020.
Pure politics.


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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

How much did the US give Israel for a wall?


Still waiting.

Is that like Shrunky's 500,000 Indonesians deflection?



I answered yours. You produced websites to prove me right.
If it isn't 5.7B then just say so and give the amount you believe it is.


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If Trump builds his wall, what will the deplorables have to chant about?


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Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

It's the Democrats playing politics SITW.

Trump was elected. He promised a wall.
That is a mandate.

If Trump builds his wall the Democrats will not win in 2020.
Pure politics.




Of course it’s pure politics! That’s why there was no emergency in the previous 24 months when Republicans has control of both houses + presidency. Only became an emergency a few weeks ago.
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

Your post just said 5B PT. Close but not quite right.

So what is the deflection you are seeking to achieve?

Incorrect. It says that is what Trump is now demanding outside the formal appropriations process simply to screw it around and justify his shutdown.. 

His crisis, his lies, his deflections, his problem.

Nancy says NO, NO, NO.

What? Are you seriously looking for deflections by finding little grammar checks?

The latest request from Trump is 5.7B (that will open government) but he wants over 25B overall.
You know that's right. You've been posting on this thread for over 2 years now, you know it's true.
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